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Cregg Neir
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:15:00 -
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All the talk about how many subscriptions have been canceled misses a big point. Subscriptions don't matter as much as they used to. The important statistic is how many plex are being bought.
In addition, 5,000 canceled subscriptions don't mean much unless they were paid for with cash.
Players themselves voted on this issue by buying plex in-game and using it to pay for their subscriptions. That migration has eroded the importance of subscription income and emphasized the importance of plex.
When I started to play a person could buy something like 4 plex per 24 hours. Now it's 24 per 24 hours. Might be more than that by now.
Also, in my opinion, it doesn't matter what CCP sells in the Noble Exchange as long as those items can get resold in the isk market. CCP is not likely to introduce gamebreaking items anyway; it's not good for their business model. But it's also not good for their business model to make eternal pledges never to sell a certain kind of item in the game.
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Inipinipocoloco
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:18:00 -
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op brainfail
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Irie Irie Irie
Caldari Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cregg Neir Also, in my opinion, it doesn't matter what CCP sells in the Noble Exchange as long as those items can get resold in the isk market. CCP is not likely to introduce gamebreaking items anyway; it's not good for their business model. But it's also not good for their business model to make eternal pledges never to sell a certain kind of item in the game.
Being incompetent isn't good for their business model but it hasn't stopped them so far this year.
Also, thanks for proving you are clueless.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:24:00 -
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Yes, I'm sure losing $15*5000/month in subscriptions is much less important than losing $15*5000/month in PLEX.
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cregg Neir All the talk about how many subscriptions have been canceled misses a big point. Subscriptions don't matter as much as they used to. The important statistic is how many plex are being bought.
In addition, 5,000 canceled subscriptions don't mean much unless they were paid for with cash.
Players themselves voted on this issue by buying plex in-game and using it to pay for their subscriptions. That migration has eroded the importance of subscription income and emphasized the importance of plex.
When I started to play a person could buy something like 4 plex per 24 hours. Now it's 24 per 24 hours. Might be more than that by now.
Also, in my opinion, it doesn't matter what CCP sells in the Noble Exchange as long as those items can get resold in the isk market. CCP is not likely to introduce gamebreaking items anyway; it's not good for their business model. But it's also not good for their business model to make eternal pledges never to sell a certain kind of item in the game.
Cash=Gametime Cash=GTC=Gametime Cash=GTC=PLEX=Gametime NPCBounty=ISK=PLEX=GTC=Cash=Gametime
No matter what method used to add gametime it was paid for someone by with cash, got it?
PLEX do not magically spawn.
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Xenuria
Gallente Rebel Attack Fleet Adeptus Arbites
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Irie Irie Irie
Originally by: Cregg Neir Also, in my opinion, it doesn't matter what CCP sells in the Noble Exchange as long as those items can get resold in the isk market. CCP is not likely to introduce gamebreaking items anyway; it's not good for their business model. But it's also not good for their business model to make eternal pledges never to sell a certain kind of item in the game.
Being incompetent isn't good for their business model but it hasn't stopped them so far this year.
Also, thanks for proving you are clueless.
Since I realize now that you are not a troll I actually feel sorry for you. Everything that OP has said is true and citeable. If you are incapable of seeing that then you might as well unsub with the rest of the degenerate mouth breathers. "Sweet Jesus, It's an Anti-AT field!"
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Arias Dren
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn Yes, I'm sure losing $15*5000/month in subscriptions is much less important than losing $15*5000/month in PLEX.
Agreed. OP is a ****ing idiot.
Srsly.
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Master Gotama
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:27:00 -
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sould retitle thread: OP failacy
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cregg Neir
In addition, 5,000 canceled subscriptions don't mean much unless they were paid for with cash.
As opposed to what, fish?
I think your ignorance of what plex is somewhat devalues your opinion.
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Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:30:00 -
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I love it. OP, please post more ^^
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Irie Irie Irie
Caldari Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Xenuria
Originally by: Irie Irie Irie
Originally by: Cregg Neir Also, in my opinion, it doesn't matter what CCP sells in the Noble Exchange as long as those items can get resold in the isk market. CCP is not likely to introduce gamebreaking items anyway; it's not good for their business model. But it's also not good for their business model to make eternal pledges never to sell a certain kind of item in the game.
Being incompetent isn't good for their business model but it hasn't stopped them so far this year.
Also, thanks for proving you are clueless.
Since I realize now that you are not a troll I actually feel sorry for you. Everything that OP has said is true and citeable. If you are incapable of seeing that then you might as well unsub with the rest of the degenerate mouth breathers.
Seeing as you are too lacking in English to be able to see that I already said I am unsubbing I don't really intend to put importance on anything you say about the op's post.
Plus you are just butthurt for being kicked out of our mighty corporation.
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Lucilla Giulia
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Villaneous
PLEX do not magically spawn.
be patient my young padawan, we'r working on it...
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Oregin
Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:40:00 -
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OP is missing his faculties.
Glad CCP are spawning PLEX on the market now. O no wait. Somebody else paid for that game time in addition to their own.
Dumbass.
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Ned Black
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:41:00 -
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Guess what?
EVERY subscription is payed by cash... even if you were not the one paying for it in the first place.
Regardless if you pay with ISK or with cash a loss of 5k accounts is a big deal for CCP.
In my corp I would estimate that about 15-20 accounts were canceled last night alone, some sure are payed for with plex but others are payed right up with cash.
Why do you think CCP is back pedaling for all they are worth and talking with big fluffy pink words about how important communication between them and the player base is? After all CCP have displayed exactly how much they "value" communications just in the last few days... so why all the pink fluff now?
It sure isnt because they have realised that they have done something wrong, no, its because those 5000 accounts lost in a matter of days IS a big deal to CCP. The bad press flies out all over the web at light speed. Investors and share holders get a whiff of what has happened and suddenly bring the big stick to CCP and tell them to resolve the situation. And the result?
Back pedaling, big pink fluffy words about understanding and reconsiliation, a CSM meeting out of the blue that just screams "CCP PANIC BUTTON PRESSED! Please come back!"... and a LOT of unhappy people.
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Cataca
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xenuria
Originally by: Irie Irie Irie
Originally by: Cregg Neir Also, in my opinion, it doesn't matter what CCP sells in the Noble Exchange as long as those items can get resold in the isk market. CCP is not likely to introduce gamebreaking items anyway; it's not good for their business model. But it's also not good for their business model to make eternal pledges never to sell a certain kind of item in the game.
Being incompetent isn't good for their business model but it hasn't stopped them so far this year.
Also, thanks for proving you are clueless.
Since I realize now that you are not a troll I actually feel sorry for you. Everything that OP has said is true and citeable. If you are incapable of seeing that then you might as well unsub with the rest of the degenerate mouth breathers.
Except for the fact that plex/subs are not different in what they do. And thus the entire post breaks down.
If 5000 players quit that would normaly buy plex from the market, those plex will go unused, the price will drop and make it more attractive to buy them for isk instead of spending money on subs and they lose revenue. In adition, it will make it less attractive to actually sell plex for isk. It boils down to the same thing.
You should also realize that people quitting wont be good for you, whatever your opinion on the matter is.
fakeedit: oh its xenuria
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Irie Irie Irie
Caldari Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cataca
Originally by: Xenuria
Originally by: Irie Irie Irie
Originally by: Cregg Neir Also, in my opinion, it doesn't matter what CCP sells in the Noble Exchange as long as those items can get resold in the isk market. CCP is not likely to introduce gamebreaking items anyway; it's not good for their business model. But it's also not good for their business model to make eternal pledges never to sell a certain kind of item in the game.
Being incompetent isn't good for their business model but it hasn't stopped them so far this year.
Also, thanks for proving you are clueless.
Since I realize now that you are not a troll I actually feel sorry for you. Everything that OP has said is true and citeable. If you are incapable of seeing that then you might as well unsub with the rest of the degenerate mouth breathers.
Except for the fact that plex/subs are not different in what they do. And thus the entire post breaks down.
If 5000 players quit that would normaly buy plex from the market, those plex will go unused, the price will drop and make it more attractive to buy them for isk instead of spending money on subs and they lose revenue. In adition, it will make it less attractive to actually sell plex for isk. It boils down to the same thing.
You should also realize that people quitting wont be good for you, whatever your opinion on the matter is.
fakeedit: oh its xenuria
Nice one, until you realise the people that buy those plex wont be there to buy them and if their isk value drops as you say then people will be less inclined to waste their real money on plex and will if not simply cease to buy them, will turn to the RMT market. ~~~
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Portmanteau
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cregg Neir
In addition, 5,000 canceled subscriptions don't mean much unless they were paid for with cash.
All subscriptions are paid for with cash, it's just *someone else's* cash in the case of plex paid accounts...did you think CCP gives them away for free genius ?
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JMERCENARY
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: JMERCENARY on 27/06/2011 18:07:30 Another OP that is going to magically claim some sort of "inside knowledge" to prove a point? Or is more like an agenda? This time about how much PLEX is really bought and sold on the virtual (read: data bits and pixels) EVE market. Yeah.. that ought to go right there with the real active socket numbers that we supposedly see at the eve login screen that allegedly correspond for each account logged on the server and that CCP never fakes and that neither they have been accussed of doing so in the past.. |
SNeAkYbRiT
Gunslingers Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:07:00 -
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Oh i just adore him...can I have one please.
How much AUR his is???
Now on a serious note...U IDIOT!
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Ayieka
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:09:00 -
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he used the word 'fallacy'. he must know what hes talking about.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:10:00 -
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I've explained how it works multiple times but it falls on deaf ears, or brain dead ears in some cases. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Irie Irie Irie
Caldari Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ayieka he used the word 'fallacy'. he must know what hes talking about.
This kind of thinking is fallacious. ~~~
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JMERCENARY
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: JMERCENARY on 27/06/2011 18:13:37
Originally by: Portmanteau
Originally by: Cregg Neir
In addition, 5,000 canceled subscriptions don't mean much unless they were paid for with cash.
All subscriptions are paid for with cash, it's just *someone else's* cash in the case of plex paid accounts...did you think CCP gives them away for free genius ?
But also consider that the desperate move about AURUM and fresh cash influx that is being attempted from CCP might be to cover up a real lack of cash that supossedly pays for PLEX accounts.
We are in between a rock and a hard place and CCP soughts to find a balance.
I'd suggest boot all those former USSR satelite states that isk farming due to their abysmal economies can be a lucrative business.
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Portmanteau
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: JMERCENARY Edited by: JMERCENARY on 27/06/2011 18:13:37
Originally by: Portmanteau
Originally by: Cregg Neir
In addition, 5,000 canceled subscriptions don't mean much unless they were paid for with cash.
All subscriptions are paid for with cash, it's just *someone else's* cash in the case of plex paid accounts...did you think CCP gives them away for free genius ?
But also consider that the desperate move about AURUM and fresh cash influx that is being attempted from CCP might be to cover up a real lack of cash that supossedly pays for PLEX accounts.
We are in between a rock and a hard place and CCP soughts to find a balance.
I'd suggest boot all those former USSR satelite states that isk farming due to their abysmal economies can be a lucrative business.
THEY know WHO they are.
AURUM is about 2 things
1. making more money
2. getting rid of the plex surplus
that is all
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SciWolf
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cregg Neir All the talk about how many subscriptions have been canceled misses a big point. Subscriptions don't matter as much as they used to. The important statistic is how many plex are being bought.
In addition, 5,000 canceled subscriptions don't mean much unless they were paid for with cash.
Players themselves voted on this issue by buying plex in-game and using it to pay for their subscriptions. That migration has eroded the importance of subscription income and emphasized the importance of plex.
When I started to play a person could buy something like 4 plex per 24 hours. Now it's 24 per 24 hours. Might be more than that by now.
Also, in my opinion, it doesn't matter what CCP sells in the Noble Exchange as long as those items can get resold in the isk market. CCP is not likely to introduce gamebreaking items anyway; it's not good for their business model. But it's also not good for their business model to make eternal pledges never to sell a certain kind of item in the game.
All these letters are so stupid, that i eve don't wanna explain you anything...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cregg Neir All the talk about how many subscriptions have been canceled misses a big point. Subscriptions don't matter as much as they used to. The important statistic is how many plex are being bought.
Not really. PLEX purchased does not (yet) directly link to PLEX used up, and as such, it's just "money loaned at 0% interest". And what really matters (financially speaking) is the sum : PLEX used up + total subscriptions. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Race Drones
13th Squadron E C L I P S E
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cregg Neir Players themselves voted on this issue by buying plex in-game and using it to pay for their subscriptions. That migration has eroded the importance of subscription income and emphasized the importance of plex.
Harry Potter make magic PLEX's for you?.
The UNSUB's are the people that buy PLEX's with real money and then sell in-game for isk to mates that cannot pay his month sub with a credit card.
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Chogon Toil
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Chogon Toil on 27/06/2011 18:30:40
Originally by: Cregg Neir All the talk about how many subscriptions have been canceled misses a big point. Subscriptions don't matter as much as they used to. The important statistic is how many plex are being bought.
In addition, 5,000 canceled subscriptions don't mean much unless they were paid for with cash.
Players themselves voted on this issue by buying plex in-game and using it to pay for their subscriptions. That migration has eroded the importance of subscription income and emphasized the importance of plex.
When I started to play a person could buy something like 4 plex per 24 hours. Now it's 24 per 24 hours. Might be more than that by now.
Also, in my opinion, it doesn't matter what CCP sells in the Noble Exchange as long as those items can get resold in the isk market. CCP is not likely to introduce gamebreaking items anyway; it's not good for their business model. But it's also not good for their business model to make eternal pledges never to sell a certain kind of item in the game.
You realize that every PLEX is paid for with real money, right? Even if you pay for your subscription with ISK someone else paid real world money for that PLEX.
Even if EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN EVE were to pay for their time with in-game made ISK someone else would have to supply the market with REAL WORLD MONEY paid for PLEX. You do know this.... right?
Oh. Ok. You're an moron.
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JMERCENARY
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: JMERCENARY on 27/06/2011 18:31:37
Originally by: Portmanteau AURUM is about 2 things
1. making more money
2. getting rid of the plex surplus
that is all
Or
1. continue making money since there is a lack off..
2. trying to get access to the PLEX surplus to liquidate it for money.
IF CCP's moves is ONLY about that and NOTHING MORE THAN THAT, then THE REST OF US are safe. At this point there is a great possibility that CCP is falling victim of a possible subversive motive campaign of an invisible isk mafia and their lemmings, and that is because CCP wasn't too clear at their everyday exchange with the players all those years and that is coming back to bite them in the ass.
CCP NOW NEEDS TO COME AND CLEAN IT'S ACT FOR THE PLAYERS TO TRUST THEM AGAIN. IT'S CRUCIAL! People need to trust CCP again, not any possible organised lemmings with subversive agendas that could and can work for anyone and the highest bidder!
KEEP THAT IN MIND!
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Discrodia
Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:30:00 -
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Confirming that those $40/3months I was giving CCP will have no effect in the grand scheme of things.
Also confirming that losing money and consumers is a great thing.
Lastly confirming that Perpetuum Online is a pretty cool place.
Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
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