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E man Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:48:00 -
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With CCP failure to confirm there previous promises to keep micro transaction vanity only I found this very interesting. EA's View on PLay to Win
Things of note -False promises made for vanity only -Forum and player rage -Bad press -How it all payed off in the end.
Goes over a lot of what CCP is after and why it will not remain vanity only. Also proves that all the forum whining and posts of "OMG I cancel and my whole corp did as well" mean nothing. This is doubly true for Eve as the new player experience is driving subs up, even if the more vocal people do rage quite..so all ccp will see is more people, and more $$$.
At this point the only acceptable course to hear would be "We will never have pay to win in any form within EvE online. All micro transactions will be cosmetic only."
Thaks for reading.
______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin |
Zeko Rena
Caldari Tankt
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Zeko Rena on 27/06/2011 19:51:02 Watched this yesterday, found it intresting, although nothing in it suprised me as it is EA after all and i have never trusted them lol
EDIT: Forgot to mention, the only big diffrence in this is, we already pay $15 a month
There talking about F2P games :( --------------------------
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E man Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zeko Rena Edited by: Zeko Rena on 27/06/2011 19:51:02 Watched this yesterday, found it intresting, although nothing in it suprised me as it is EA after all and i have never trusted them lol
EDIT: Forgot to mention, the only big diffrence in this is, we already pay $15 a month
There talking about F2P games :(
Very true, so CCP has mroe to lose based upon a lot subscription. EA's presentation is of note mainly because they did not lose subscriptions.
Play to win works in many games(League of Legends is my favorite). Not sure it would work in EvE, I know i will be unhappy with pay to win in EvE ______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin |
Ren Nekk
Dead Eye Dogs
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:58:00 -
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Maybe lots of the posts of quitting "mean nothing" because most of the people playing these games have no self respect or taste in anything, but at a minimum, the small minority of people who do will quit and move on to better things. Enjoy Farmville in space I guess. Myself, I'll be reinstalling some PC games from the early 90s and moving on from this sorry mess.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: E man Industries
Very true, so CCP has mroe to lose based upon a lot subscription. EA's presentation is of note mainly because they did not lose subscriptions.
Play to win works in many games(League of Legends is my favorite). Not sure it would work in EvE, I know i will be unhappy with pay to win in EvE
Not that they didn't lose subscribers, they didn't lose *users*. Since none of them were on subscriptions anyway. When your game already costs $15 a month that kinda changes things. Though what it does illustrate is that with the Battlefield Heroes forum posters atleast, the forum rage was a bunch of hot air. Users didn't drop. They even specifically tracked a couple of the ragiest posters and found them a) still playing the game a year later and b) spending money on a F2P game
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Lord Delacroix
Amarr Team Ice
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: E man Industries
Originally by: Zeko Rena Edited by: Zeko Rena on 27/06/2011 19:51:02 Watched this yesterday, found it intresting, although nothing in it suprised me as it is EA after all and i have never trusted them lol
EDIT: Forgot to mention, the only big diffrence in this is, we already pay $15 a month
There talking about F2P games :(
Very true, so CCP has mroe to lose based upon a lot subscription. EA's presentation is of note mainly because they did not lose subscriptions.
Play to win works in many games(League of Legends is my favorite). Not sure it would work in EvE, I know i will be unhappy with pay to win in EvE
hey I didnt do research on this but... I would venture to say that people playing EA games are, on average, of lower IQ than your average EVE player. why did you not mention what happened to SWS after NGE? SWS playerbase was pretty sophisticated back then too. CCP is a small company and they simply would not survive if something NGE-like happened to them.
whatever v0v im going bak2wow
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E man Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Delacroix
Originally by: E man Industries
Originally by: Zeko Rena Edited by: Zeko Rena on 27/06/2011 19:51:02 Watched this yesterday, found it intresting, although nothing in it suprised me as it is EA after all and i have never trusted them lol
EDIT: Forgot to mention, the only big diffrence in this is, we already pay $15 a month
There talking about F2P games :(
Very true, so CCP has mroe to lose based upon a lot subscription. EA's presentation is of note mainly because they did not lose subscriptions.
Play to win works in many games(League of Legends is my favorite). Not sure it would work in EvE, I know i will be unhappy with pay to win in EvE
hey I didnt do research on this but... I would venture to say that people playing EA games are, on average, of lower IQ than your average EVE player. why did you not mention what happened to SWS after NGE? SWS playerbase was pretty sophisticated back then too. CCP is a small company and they simply would not survive if something NGE-like happened to them.
whatever v0v im going bak2wow
Not familiar with NGE and SWG as I am newer to MMO's. was unaware that it had a micro transaction bit. Or are you refering to general how changing a game can hurt it. Also SWG is now shutting down. ______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin |
Sho neeta
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: E man Industries With CCP failure to confirm there previous promises to keep micro transaction vanity only I found this very interesting. EA's View on PLay to Win
Things of note -False promises made for vanity only -Forum and player rage -Bad press -How it all payed off in the end.
Goes over a lot of what CCP is after and why it will not remain vanity only. Also proves that all the forum whining and posts of "OMG I cancel and my whole corp did as well" mean nothing. This is doubly true for Eve as the new player experience is driving subs up, even if the more vocal people do rage quite..so all ccp will see is more people, and more $$$.
At this point the only acceptable course to hear would be "We will never have pay to win in any form within EvE online. All micro transactions will be cosmetic only."
Thaks for reading.
Thanks for this E man. Very interesting and very informative. Hope CCP listen to it and also it is played for CSM.
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moneykeeper
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:39:00 -
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Microtransactions are for failgames that cannot support themselves by subs. By stopping all development and overheads, removing subs and introducing a cash shop they can sometimes can chug along and make a few bucks.
Good games don't need microtransactions. They can support development and game impovements through subs.
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:48:00 -
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The EA guy says himself why P2W items in EVE would not work.
"Players MAY NOT know they got killed by an P2W item". Impossible in EVE. PLEX is as far as P2W can be implemented, but that's it.
Also there is no economy providing the items in those games. Items are poofed already anyway.
Also EVE isn't like a casual shooter. People invest a lot of time and can permanently lose those things, there is an investment at stake if you lose. So if you want to compare it with something, compare it with poker. Would you play poker if one of the players can get an extra card?
Also the narrator is a smug *******.
+ 1500 votes on MT in EVE | NO 79.03% | YES 5.02% | COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% | OTHER 4.73% |
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Headerman
Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ren Nekk Maybe lots of the posts of quitting "mean nothing" because most of the people playing these games have no self respect or taste in anything, but at a minimum, the small minority of people who do will quit and move on to better things. Enjoy Farmville in space I guess. Myself, I'll be reinstalling some PC games from the early 90s and moving on from this sorry mess.
Or maybe... just maybe, they have a longer subscription than a week?
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Savage Angel
Gallente Gambler's Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: moneykeeper Microtransactions are for failgames that cannot support themselves by subs. By stopping all development and overheads, removing subs and introducing a cash shop they can sometimes can chug along and make a few bucks.
Good games don't need microtransactions. They can support development and game impovements through subs.
How many of those games still exist? Or better yet, how many games older than 2-3 years are like that? And do not charge for expansions?
I don't know all games, but I don't know of one. MMOs have been stuck at $15/month subscription rates for years, but I doubt maintenance and development costs have remained static. Not that I like MT, but without subscription increases it seems inevitable.
And who would want to be the most expensive monthly sub in the MMO universe?
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Leah Pendragon
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Leah Pendragon on 27/06/2011 20:55:09
Originally by: E man Industries With CCP failure to confirm there previous promises to keep micro transaction vanity only I found this very interesting. EA's View on PLay to Win
Things of note -False promises made for vanity only -Forum and player rage -Bad press -How it all payed off in the end.
Goes over a lot of what CCP is after and why it will not remain vanity only. Also proves that all the forum whining and posts of "OMG I cancel and my whole corp did as well" mean nothing. This is doubly true for Eve as the new player experience is driving subs up, even if the more vocal people do rage quite..so all ccp will see is more people, and more $$$.
At this point the only acceptable course to hear would be "We will never have pay to win in any form within EvE online. All micro transactions will be cosmetic only."
Thaks for reading.
The major difference is that all EvE players pay, or are payed for by someone else via plex, $15 a month. A 100% converstion rate then. The Eve users thus are more empowerd than someone who uses a free product as they can simply unsub.
If you know that you have this power then high volume unsubs, even for a short period of time, could have real financial impact. I also think that the fact that a large portion of EvE has multiple alt accounts means that a lot of alts can be unsubbed causing a loss of income to CCP and still allowing the consumer to play EvE.
Edit - Also how does game changing MT effect growth rather than pure profitability?
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: E man Industries With CCP failure to confirm there previous promises to keep micro transaction vanity only I found this very interesting. EA's View on PLay to Win
posted 10x already.
not the same context here ; on BFH they had ONE problem : +-1.5% guys paying something on EVE we have 100% guys paying something. that some pay with PLEXes have no importance, it's just someone else paid for them. it's not the same context at all.
there is only one truth which work on EVE from this video : threadnough had only 1% of total playerbase posting (stats is on eve-search)
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 21:39:00 -
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I don't care what a F2P game developer (who owes zero loyalty or respect to its playerbase) does.
I care what CCP does.
If you don't understand the distinction, holler and I'll try to 'splain it to you.
(Still, I watched the video and I recommend it. I'd be surprised if this video or something like it isn't what the PTB @ CCP are smoking.)
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E man Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.27 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
I'd be surprised if this video or something like it isn't what the PTB @ CCP are smoking.)
Thats why it's linked. Not because I think that what they should do. I am very anti pay to win. ______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin |
Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.27 22:05:00 -
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Im going to laugh when ccp says micros will never go beyond vanity items, the csm says this too, and all the people the emo rage quit and gave away all their stuff are going to look pretty dumb in the end.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.27 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ai Mei Im going to laugh when ccp says micros will never go beyond vanity items, the csm says this too, and all the people the emo rage quit and gave away all their stuff are going to look pretty dumb in the end.
those guys not only quited do to these events. some were simply waiting for a "this a too much" reason to be able to leave with peace on their mind. low chance the more hardcore (which are those) are coming back, wethever happen. will lower press however.
and on best case for ccp, they will come back by buying stuff with PLEXes :P
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.27 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Gogela on 27/06/2011 22:50:13 The really interesting stuff comes at about 30 minutes into the video. It actually pretty much explains everything going on right now in my mind...
watch this from 30 mins!!!
His name was John Turbefield!
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Lord Delacroix
Amarr Team Ice
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: E man Industries
Not familiar with NGE and SWG as I am newer to MMO's. was unaware that it had a micro transaction bit. Or are you refering to general how changing a game can hurt it. Also SWG is now shutting down.
no, NGE was about taking the game to a completely different direction than the community wanted it to go. CCP now belives in "metrics" just as hard as Sony did back then. yep SWG is shutting down... what did I learn... I learned that
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The Offerer
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: The Offerer on 28/06/2011 01:02:48
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E man Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.28 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Delacroix
Originally by: E man Industries
Not familiar with NGE and SWG as I am newer to MMO's. was unaware that it had a micro transaction bit. Or are you refering to general how changing a game can hurt it. Also SWG is now shutting down.
no, NGE was about taking the game to a completely different direction than the community wanted it to go. CCP now belives in "metrics" just as hard as Sony did back then. yep SWG is shutting down... what did I learn... I learned that
Yup lot of number crunching and the players be damned. ______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin |
Kile Kitmoore
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Posted - 2011.06.28 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: moneykeeper Microtransactions are for failgames that cannot support themselves by subs. By stopping all development and overheads, removing subs and introducing a cash shop they can sometimes can chug along and make a few bucks.
Good games don't need microtransactions. They can support development and game impovements through subs.
Exactly.
Which MMO's do EA own, also which of their MMO's started subscription and they successfully added a MT store?
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