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Sky Candy
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:19:00 -
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I recently started watching the events unfold on these forums over the latest patch and of course the TNT drama of microtransactions.
Let me start by saying microtransactions on MMOs have a long history of being a successful venture for players and game makers. Time and again pay for play MMOs lose player base after the initial first year or two of unbridled accounts turns from a gushing waterfall to a trickle. They turn to microtransactions and poof you've got cold hard cash flowing back to make a profitable company and happy community. People like exclusive races, dungeons, and gold ammo. Simply put, people will pay for content.
Here's my perspective, I'm willing to pay CCP for Incarna. I would put down 15, no, 20 bucks for this latest content patch. I like my zipper cannons thank you so much. I'm willing to do the same for every new installment that comes out. I'd pay for gold pants, gold ships, gold drones, and gold showerings of ammo.
To CCP I can convince every single player here that frowns to smile to the concept of microtransactions. Just as your developers and business partners know, yes microtransactions has limitless potential in EVE and people will buy without question.
I've spent the last 15 years of my life playing MMOs starting with Ultima Online. Some flourished like Lineage and others failed like Shadowbane. Like any good business you need cash and micros do work. So as before if you want to take this path, by all means CCP go for it but don't confuse your player base.
Be firm, be strong and announce your intentions. I know for a fact that every MMO that's gone micro has stuck around because players despite their initial protests will pay for content. Of course with this direction you'd also announce the impending free to play model that follows every other MMO that's taken the micro path. I only briefly mention that because it's such an obvious gesture. No soul would plop down 20 dollars plus a monthly fee for Incarna. You certainly can't milk a cow and slaughter it at the same time, no one to date has yet to go get anything but a bucket of blood and urine from trying such a feat.
So in conclusion I will help CCP to the best of my ability convince the entire community to get behind a full 100% microtransaction free to play MMO system that you most certainly are aiming at in the next year. Thank you for all the hard work you do daily.
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Hekira Soikutsu
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:22:00 -
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The other MMOs are NOT sandboxes. That is why non-vanity MT should not be applied to EVE specifically for ships and modules.
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Cocomomo
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:22:00 -
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MT works when the game is fun and addicting ...not full of bugs, and frustrations...
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Admiral Goberius
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cocomomo MT works when the game is fun and addicting ...not full of bugs, and frustrations...
yet here you are posting about it like a scorned ex girlfriend
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Jessie42
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:25:00 -
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Also $70 isn't a microtransaction.
It's a transaction.
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Ezra Vouland
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Goberius
Originally by: Cocomomo MT works when the game is fun and addicting ...not full of bugs, and frustrations...
yet here you are posting about it like a scorned ex girlfriend
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:28:00 -
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MT do work, in fact they can completely change the fortunes of a MMO, nobody is arguing this point.
The issue become when you start selling items that have a direct effect on game such ammo/ships/mods etc.
CCP could introduce a Wardrobe of 1000's of items so long as they a Non-Vanity items, why is this concept so hard for people to understand
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:35:00 -
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MTs for non-vanity items means items are inserted into the game without using player effort and time. Don't say PLEX, because that has to be sold for ISK players had to spend time getting, and that ISK the PLEX are sold for then gets used to buy items players had to invest time ti getting or manufacturing. It's not the same as items out of thin air as CCP wants to do for MTs. When you add useful non-vanity items for real world money ALONE you destabilize the economy and player achievement. You harm the sandbox.
Also - charging for expansions wouldn't work very well in Eve, because you can't just block a new continent off till you pay. All the new changes are everywhere, or most places. Instead you'd have to limit access to 100's of different things in the game, and after a few patches it just gets horribly complex to support players with different levels of access. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:46:00 -
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OP - simply not true.
When faced with sagging subscription incomes, and akward dev cycles, the games that are already burning to the ground Switch to F2P.
Its a way of saying "Better than shutting the servers down completely"
And in some ways it is.
But some Super Successful business model in the US.... hardly.
Granted, more and more developers are jumping on the badnwagon to try and *save* their drowning ventures, but F2P is not, and has never been, what US players are looking for.
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Chogon Toil
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk OP - simply not true.
When faced with sagging subscription incomes, and akward dev cycles, the games that are already burning to the ground Switch to F2P.
Its a way of saying "Better than shutting the servers down completely"
And in some ways it is.
But some Super Successful business model in the US.... hardly.
Granted, more and more developers are jumping on the badnwagon to try and *save* their drowning ventures, but F2P is not, and has never been, what US players are looking for.
You have the authority and ability to speak for all EvE players, heck all U.S. players? I didn't vote for that.
I think what EvE players what is, uh, well... EvE. If MTs keep the servers up then.... fine by me.
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Spookyjay
Caldari Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:49:00 -
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MT will not work in EVE because EVE is a semi-sandbox. Its profits come from the long work to get something in game. over this long time you pay subs. If you make it so you can just buy that thing then you no longer get the profit from the subs. cancelling out you MT gains. No only that you create large player turn over as gamers are proven to go after the next new thing and fast rewards via mt diminish sense of achievement. And thus entertainment from over all product.
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Ghurthe
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:49:00 -
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Hey... trolls are supposed to be in free to play fantasy MMOs like Lotro and DDO... oh no... it's already begun!
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:50:00 -
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Well, i have to grant you this.
If you compare the two outcomes, one is significantly better than the alternative.
MMORPG released.
MMORPG becomes profitable, sustainable.
MMORPG developers invest in the game or in other projects.
MMORPG players stay or leave based on the former.
MMORPG becomes unsustainable.
At this point they can shut the servers off. i.e. Zero money going out, zero money coming in.
Or. Restructure the business model into lifesupport model, i.e. Massive Expansions = new turrets.
And then see what happens.
If it works out, they keep the game up, have footprint in the industry, small profts coming in.
But, compared to the alternative, Zero profits, Zero footprint, zero life game for company to train with.... F2P Cash Shop Lifesupport model is MASSIVELY better than the alternative....
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Lexmana
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Candy Time and again pay for play MMOs lose player base after the initial first year or two of unbridled accounts turns from a gushing waterfall to a trickle.
But that didn't happen to EVE right? I wonder why ...
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Spookyjay MT will not work in EVE because EVE is a semi-sandbox. Its profits come from the long work to get something in game. over this long time you pay subs. If you make it so you can just buy that thing then you no longer get the profit from the subs. cancelling out you MT gains. No only that you create large player turn over as gamers are proven to go after the next new thing and fast rewards via mt diminish sense of achievement. And thus entertainment from over all product.
Exactly.
Its like opposite models.
What people arent realizing, by and large, is how the New model doesnt just effect pay model, its going to effect everything. How much development goes intot he game. WHAT development goes into the game.
Its no longer going to be developed for long term, sit around and ply forever activities. i.e. all the things we love about it.
Its going to morph into "log in for 30, pay your money, buy ship, loose shio, come back next week" activities. And developments.
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Bill Banner
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:54:00 -
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<satire>
Originally by: Sky Candy gold showerings of ammo
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Kile Kitmoore
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Candy I recently started watching the events unfold on these forums over the latest patch and of course the TNT drama of microtransactions.
Let me start by saying microtransactions on MMOs have a long history of being a successful venture for players and game makers. Time and again pay for play MMOs lose player base after the initial first year or two of unbridled accounts turns from a gushing waterfall to a trickle. They turn to microtransactions and poof you've got cold hard cash flowing back to make a profitable company and happy community. People like exclusive races, dungeons, and gold ammo. Simply put, people will pay for content.
Here's my perspective, I'm willing to pay CCP for Incarna. I would put down 15, no, 20 bucks for this latest content patch. I like my zipper cannons thank you so much. I'm willing to do the same for every new installment that comes out. I'd pay for gold pants, gold ships, gold drones, and gold showerings of ammo.
To CCP I can convince every single player here that frowns to smile to the concept of microtransactions. Just as your developers and business partners know, yes microtransactions has limitless potential in EVE and people will buy without question.
I've spent the last 15 years of my life playing MMOs starting with Ultima Online. Some flourished like Lineage and others failed like Shadowbane. Like any good business you need cash and micros do work. So as before if you want to take this path, by all means CCP go for it but don't confuse your player base.
Be firm, be strong and announce your intentions. I know for a fact that every MMO that's gone micro has stuck around because players despite their initial protests will pay for content. Of course with this direction you'd also announce the impending free to play model that follows every other MMO that's taken the micro path. I only briefly mention that because it's such an obvious gesture. No soul would plop down 20 dollars plus a monthly fee for Incarna. You certainly can't milk a cow and slaughter it at the same time, no one to date has yet to go get anything but a bucket of blood and urine from trying such a feat.
So in conclusion I will help CCP to the best of my ability convince the entire community to get behind a full 100% microtransaction free to play MMO system that you most certainly are aiming at in the next year. Thank you for all the hard work you do daily.
You joking? STO/Champions, worked great for those guys. What about COH/COV? The day they decided to take elements of their expansion out and MT it things were going to get bad and now they are going to the free model because their subscriptions have sunk. I will grant you that MT works in other games but I assure you it is not the holy grail of revenue for MMOs, and EVE is a VERY different MMO.
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clbo
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Posted - 2011.06.27 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Candy I will help CCP to the best of my ability convince the entire community to get behind a full 100% microtransaction free to play MMO system that you most certainly are aiming at in the next year. Thank you for all the hard work you do daily.
unfortunately right now I pay a subscription and I am treated like a second class citizen of the marvelous internet spaceship universe. Buy me pants and you'll change my opinion regarding this piece of garbage "expansion".
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