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Ueray Ghekon
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ueray Ghekon on 28/06/2011 03:51:23 How do you guys deal with that? Even with an alt to scout your PVE ship, you can still get pointed/bubbled be a cloaky sitting near the gate. So if scouting doesn't really help with safety, how do I get my PVE ship through the gate to do the mission? |
Jaeger Magnus
Journey Construction Ltd. Army of Dark Shadows
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jaeger Magnus on 28/06/2011 04:19:34 I've been missioning in nullsec for a quite a while now and haven't once been attacked while in my PvE ship and traveling between systems. Honestly, you shouldn't have much of a problem. But, if I do see a lot of people in local and I want to jump through a gate, I warp to the planet that the gate is orbiting and D-scan the gate just to see if anyone is there. If the jumpgate isn't orbiting a planet than you just gotta take a shot in the dark and warp to it.
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Ueray Ghekon
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jaeger Magnus Edited by: Jaeger Magnus on 28/06/2011 04:19:34 I've been missioning in nullsec for a quite a while now and haven't once been attacked while in my PvE ship and traveling between systems. Honestly, you shouldn't have much of a problem. But, if I do see a lot of people in local and I want to jump through a gate, I warp to the planet that the gate is orbiting and D-scan the gate just to see if anyone is there. If the jumpgate isn't orbiting a planet than you just gotta take a shot in the dark and warp to it.
Yea I can easily dscan for bubbles and stuff going in, but the dangerous part is the other side. Once I jump through, there can easily be a cloaky there waiting to point or bubble me, which I will not be able to scout with an alt since they would be cloaked.
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Stack'em High
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:26:00 -
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But isn't that part of the 'game'? You're never quite sure.
I deal with it by getting sweaty palms and an increased heartbeat. Then a beer once I'm through
If you don't want the risk, don't do the mission......
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Notta Alt
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:41:00 -
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Honestly just use your corp/alliance's intel channel to see if its ok or not
other thing is....well big deal if you lose a ship, you get 8k+ LP per L4 and a like 5mil in rewards thats before any loot or bounties
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.28 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Notta Alt other thing is....well big deal if you lose a ship, you get 8k+ LP per L4 and a like 5mil in rewards thats before any loot or bounties
hm? if you loose your ship you either need to buy and fit new one (and repeat loosing in the same gate camp) or abandon mission. Where is a bounties?
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Notta Alt
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Posted - 2011.06.28 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: Notta Alt other thing is....well big deal if you lose a ship, you get 8k+ LP per L4 and a like 5mil in rewards thats before any loot or bounties
hm? if you loose your ship you either need to buy and fit new one (and repeat loosing in the same gate camp) or abandon mission. Where is a bounties?
Basically you dont lose ships too often that you end up losing isk rather than gaining.
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Ueray Ghekon
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:40:00 -
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Well it seems like there is enough of a risk that running missions in highsec would be more profitable, since I would have zero risk of losing my ship and would run them faster since I could use a factioned out marauder or something rather then a cheaper, more dispensable ship.
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Lord Wickham
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:41:00 -
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have a PVE boat in every system? even tengu boat isnt that expensive. a domi mael or any of the others are even cheaper. but 2-3 for the systems the agent sends you to.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:09:00 -
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main problem isn't money. Main problem is: time and effort you need to spend to get new ship. Possibly travel far away (we still speak here about 0.0 space don't we?).
Next problem: mission expiration time. When you accepted it you have started bonus timer. And if you found gate camp on the way to target system you most likely loose this bonus (50% of a mission reward).
Risk vs reward anyway.
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Ueray Ghekon
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Posted - 2011.06.29 05:20:00 -
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I guess I could just decline them. I haven't missioned much before, would standings be a problem if I decline every mission that takes me to a different system?
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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2011.06.29 05:25:00 -
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t3 interdiction nullifier + cloaky, sub systems in cargo bay.
Jump, warp, dock, refit.
done.
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Ueray Ghekon
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Posted - 2011.06.29 05:41:00 -
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Well the system the agent might send me to might not always have a station.
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CCP Dropbear
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Posted - 2011.06.29 13:50:00 -
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Black Ops make good 0.0 mission runners in this situation. Only the Cyno scout is at risk. Granted, that's a two account solution. Solo life in hostile 0.0 is a lot more treacherous.
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Hoshi
The Einherjar Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.29 15:04:00 -
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Put that alt scout in a falcon. If someone uncloaks and scramble your mission ship you just uncloak the alt and jam them and then warp away with the mission ship. ---------------------------------------- "Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason." |
Pharos Pharos
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Posted - 2011.06.29 19:57:00 -
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Honestly, this isn't that big of a deal 99% of the time with an alt scout, so you only have to worry about cloaky camps. Sure, if someone takes the time to set up these kind of camps with cloaked dictors they might catch you, but since most missioners do the interdiction nullifier/refit business, it's almost never worth the time for people to do so.
If you do jump in and a bubble goes up or someone decloaks, don't panic. Burn back to gate, try to warp to aggro them if it's a bubble (you do have an mwd right?), jump once you've aggressed them/they're agressed, warp off. Fitting a nuet/cloak in an extra high will always make it easier to escape these situations, but an mwd will get you out most of the time.
And for the once in a blue moon when you do get caught, mark down those characters for future reference so it will never happen from them again, enjoy the massive isk you've made of lp's (mission rewards are negligable and about cover the bpc's in general, miss rabbit), buy another ship and go back at it.
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Chicken Pizza
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Posted - 2011.07.20 11:19:00 -
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1. Dscan gates from planets near the gates. 2. Set up safe spots near all of the gates that aren't near planets and dscan from those. 3. Fit a MWD and a cloak. 4. Don't pop?
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.07.20 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ueray Ghekon Edited by: Ueray Ghekon on 28/06/2011 03:51:23 How do you guys deal with that? Even with an alt to scout your PVE ship, you can still get pointed/bubbled be a cloaky sitting near the gate. So if scouting doesn't really help with safety, how do I get my PVE ship through the gate to do the mission?
(1) Read Intel channel every time. (2) Use scout every time. (3) Use dscanner every time. (4) Use bookmarks: pingspots, scanspots, safespots, undock instas every time.
(5) Accept that I need to take a god damb risk now and then, since I'm making 2-4x as much base ISK/hr
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Jean Luc Bathana
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Posted - 2011.07.20 12:42:00 -
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I lost a few Drakes the other day...
1 jumping into a bubble camp,
2 because I had the wrong hardeners on and got scrammed by an NPC,
But you know what? It's all part of the game. I love it... Even losing ships to a good fleet doesn't bother me as much because I'm still a bit of a noob and love to learn from the experience.
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Vikarion
Caldari State Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2011.07.21 01:35:00 -
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Here's a better solution: don't do missions in low/null-sec. It's not worth it! - - -
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Surothe
Caldari Lyonesse. The Remnant Legion
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Posted - 2011.07.21 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dropbear Black Ops make terrible 0.0 mission runners in this situation. Both the Cyno scout and the BO is at risk. Granted, that's a two account death. Solo life in hostile 0.0 is a lot more treacherous.
Fixed that for you. Is noone else bothered by a devs lack of nullsec knowhow?
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Nomad Vherokic
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Posted - 2011.07.21 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Surothe
Originally by: CCP Dropbear Black Ops make terrible 0.0 mission runners in this situation. Both the Cyno scout and the BO is at risk. Granted, that's a two account death. Solo life in hostile 0.0 is a lot more treacherous.
Fixed that for you. Is noone else bothered by a devs lack of nullsec knowhow?
Yes. But in theory it's perfectly workable, just doesn't really do well in practice. |
Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.07.22 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Here's a better solution: don't do missions in low/null-sec. It's not worth it!
Oh hahaha god yes it is.
Wait I guess 500 mill in loot drops, plus another 30 or 40M in bounty, tags and mission rewards, in 2 hours isn't worth keeping the Dscanner open.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.07.22 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Surothe
Originally by: CCP Dropbear Black Ops make terrible 0.0 mission runners in this situation. Both the Cyno scout and the BO is at risk. Granted, that's a two account death. Solo life in hostile 0.0 is a lot more treacherous.
Fixed that for you. Is noone else bothered by a devs lack of nullsec knowhow?
You realise a covops cyno only lasts 30 seconds and doesn't show on overview, right?
That said, I wouldn't use a BPOs anyway. The risk when missioning comes from probers, not gate camps.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Crellion
Parental Control HELL4S
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Posted - 2011.07.22 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dropbear Black Ops make good 0.0 mission runners in this situation. Only the Cyno scout is at risk. Granted, that's a two account solution. Solo life in hostile 0.0 is a lot more treacherous.
Hopeful DEV trying to find solution for BO uselesness detected.
Theorycrafting much?
I guess dev acquisition of in game items is a littel like e-baying :P :P :P
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