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tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: tikktokk tokkzikk on 29/06/2011 16:37:30 I and many others feel that MT broke the sandbox, EVE. I understand that CCP need a PLEX sink and money so I sat down and came up with this ideas to fix everything and (hopefully) make everyone happy!
So CCP, please do this:
- Give everyone that bought something from the nex their AUR back.
- Rename nex to something less gay.*
- make cloths/paints craftable from PI products.
- Fill the new nex with EVE store items.
- Make everything overpriced.**
- Rise the subscription fee with a few $.*
- Make trade-ins such as 1 rifter and X AUR = 1 rifter model IRL.
Advantages:
- With cloths/paints from PI, DUST514 will have more to fight about.
- With some in-game advertisment and nex in stations, EVE store will get much more popularity.
- When people can use ISK to buy items, EVE store will get MUCH more buyers.
- With point 7 from above, CCP will get both an ISK AND PLEX sink!
- People wont ragequit! Many might even come back.
- CCP earn the money they so badly need.
- Everyone are happy!
- Wont break the sandbox!!!
*Optional.
Some people have said that CCP will lose money if they do this but look:
------------ISK -----------/----\-----GAMETIME -----------\----/-------/ $$$ ----- PLEX -----< --\---------------------\ ---\-------------------AUR ----- EVE STORE ----\_________________________/
PLEX/AUR will almost work as a giftcards! as the only way PLEX will come into the game is if people buy them for $!
**CCP can even sell things way overpriced in the in-game store, since people will feel that they buy real items for free.
I dont know with you, but I would LOVE to use, say, 1 billion isk on an Apocalypse corkscrew!
COULD YOU TELL ME: If you think this would be OK. If you would buy PLEX for ISK to buy stuff. Any products you would buy. If you got any ideas! |
tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:38:00 -
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RES.
I also wish someone could tell me exactly when CCP became ÇÇ₱. |
tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:02:00 -
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ok, I'll start:
This would be AWESOME!
I would so totally buy PLEX if I could get REAL items for it!
Ship models, cloths, apocalypse corkscrew, cups and anything else I think I might get use for.
The above!
I also wish someone could tell me exactly when CCP became ÇÇ₱. |
tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.30 06:20:00 -
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C'mon! I got a solution here. Give some feedback! My solution to micro-transactions/noble exchange and CCPs money problem! |
Irie Irie Irie
Caldari Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.30 06:50:00 -
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**** the AURUM store. |
Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.30 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk lol
The first step to solving ccp's supposed financial 'problems' would be to not listen to a bunch of internet spaceship kids. |
Hilmler Fudd
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Posted - 2011.06.30 06:58:00 -
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why should we pay more sub money - to pay for development of another game you tard? FO
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.30 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hilmler Fudd why should we pay more sub money - to pay for development of another game you tard? FO
every time you pay money to any company, your money is going towards the development of other unrelated products. Welcome to the real world.
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Hilmler Fudd
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Hilmler Fudd why should we pay more sub money - to pay for development of another game you tard? FO
every time you pay money to any company, your money is going towards the development of other unrelated products. Welcome to the real world.
I am aware how a business model works - but it is hard to justify charging more when you are getting less.
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Asudem
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:02:00 -
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A better way would be, if they would place advertising holograms near stargates and stations, not many, just a few and nothing that pops up. Also they could integrate the EVE store and other online shops into the Captains Quarters. So you can buy stuff for the RL while you are ingame, means you dont have to leave the game for this. In exchange CCP get some commission if the their players buy something on i.e. Amazon.com. CCP would get some money through this and the Captains Quarters would have atleast some sense at all.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:03:00 -
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Last month I paid $105. This month I'm paying $0 because I unsubscribed.
Why would I pay them MORE than last month?
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Cataca
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:04:00 -
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You mean like when they have to renew their current loan to get a new one?
Tough one.
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tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:11:00 -
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Well imo THIS > MT
EVE store get more buyes [x] CCP get more money [x] some people get advantages over others in-game [ ] Plex sink [x] ISK sink [x]
Also please tell me exactly what you dislike/like And remember, this would be to replace the current nex! My solution to micro-transactions/noble exchange and CCPs money problem! |
tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.30 09:49:00 -
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Added Asudems suggestion! My solution to micro-transactions/noble exchange and CCPs money problem! |
Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.30 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hilmler Fudd
I am aware how a business model works - but it is hard to justify charging more when you are getting less.
Getting less? Like less clothing options, less monocles, less painted ships, less interactive objects while docked... i see.
You realize you DONT have to buy any of this stuff right?
introducing a NeXMach will be no different then introducing tech3 ships. They both require isk OR money to buy. they are both superior upgrades and force you to pay isk OR money to compete in this 'arms race'.
Sigh...
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Asudem
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk Added Asudems suggestion!
Thanks. What I suggested could bring CCP a constant income of thousands of $ per month. Even if they just take -for example- 1$ per system and 10 - 100$ for advertises in trading hubs like Jita or Dodixie, it would replace the income of the NeX-Store and wouldnt violate the ingame economy in any way. And for this I didnt mentioned the income through commission yet. CCP really should think about that. So I think this would be an almost perfect solution for this situation we have now.
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tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:46:00 -
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Yeah! And I would actually love to spend PLEX on real life items! Even if CCP dont remove MT i would still like to see this! My solution to micro-transactions/noble exchange and CCPs money problem! |
Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:48:00 -
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Why should we care if CCP is run by greedy wreckless morons.
Their financial problems are not my financial problems.
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Jolteon Taylor
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:49:00 -
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I actually fully agree with everything OP posted. Way to go. Lets get some CCP guys in here reading this.
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tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Why should we care if CCP is run by greedy wreckless morons.
Their financial problems are not my financial problems.
But you play eve. They own eve. See a conection? No...? Ok then... My solution to micro-transactions/noble exchange and CCPs money problem! |
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk
Originally by: Miilla
Why should we care if CCP is run by greedy wreckless morons.
Their financial problems are not my financial problems.
But you play eve. They own eve. See a conection? No...? Ok then...
I don't see a connection I care about, no.
If they go under or get bought up, why should I care again?
Eve is a game, if it disappears, I pick another game. Your point?
Why should I care what happens to CCP again? You expect me to bail them out? Don't think so.
CCP expects rich turds to bail them out, hence the very name of the MT store its called NOBLE for a reason, its called psychology, you fell for it.
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Viibl Triibl
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:11:00 -
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(Note: This was emailed to CSM Trebor prior to the meetings)
Posting this again because it needs traction, and it needs your support if CCP is to get the message that there is a better way.
This is a model that allows for performance-enhancing microtransactions, adds new content at a faster pace and keeps the player economy intact. Bump it, repost it and advocate for it as one of only a few reasonable solutions to this impasse.
I've worked through and adapted a system similar to kickstarter.com for Eve Online. For the sake of this write-up, we'll call it the Eve Project Incubator (EPI).
Overview of EPI workflow:
- CCP creates a project proposal with sketches, early renders and statistical information on a new item for Eve
- This project proposal includes a target investment goal in order for the work to be executed in full and integrated into the game
- Players use aurum (purchased with dollars and PLEX) to contribute to the proposed project. For each proposal, a reward structure is created for donors, awarding them one of the proposed items based on amount donated. (Note: Since aurum is 100% managed by CCP, it's only officially deducted when a project reaches its goal, and donations can be retracted by players at any time prior to the project closing.)
- Once the project reaches its donation goal, the work is executed/completed and integrated into the game in the form of blueprints. Complete items are given to the donors who met contribution requirements at the same time the BPs are seeded.
Example projects (using estimated aurum amounts based on exchange rate):
Cowboy hat
- Investment goal: 200,000 aurum
- Free cowboy hat given to donors at 900 aurum, 1800 and 3600 aurum (max three)
- Cost in-game: 90,000,000 ISK
Unique EoM Frigate
- Investment goal: 2,000,000 aurum
- Free frigate given to donors at 1500, 3000 and 4500 aurum
- Cost in-game: 100,000,000 ISK
Benefits:
- Players can vote for content they want by donating (dollars or PLEX as aurum) to the projects that interest them most, and they receive something for their donations
- All items can still be made by players and purchasable by all for ISK
- CCP can get compensated for additional content they add outside of expansions. They set the donation goals based on what is profitable for them.
Down the road, CCP might release a content development kit to allow players to create the content for a % cut of the cost (paid out in dollars, aurum or ISK). This further enhances the content stream and increases CCP profit margin.
Additional implications:
- Players do get a chance to purchase items outside of the normal Eve economy as part of the reward mechanic for donating. This is a temporary and limited opportunity, and is counter-balanced by the fact that these players are bankrolling new content for everyone else to buy with ISK. Since many of the items are destructible (ships) or have usage caps (paint cans), those players will have to buy from other players if they want the same items later.
- There will be a delay between the time that players "donate" and the time that they receive the reward items. This delay is less appealing than "pay now get it now" gratification as found in other schemes, but donating aurum does net you first dibs on the items when they are introduced as you don't have to wait for someone to product them in-game.
- A potential tweak is to allow players to donate beyond the project goal, allowing players who may not have donated in time to still purchase the items in question with aurum up until the items are officially introduced into the game, at which point the only way to buy is ISK. This adds revenue for CCP. Note that the donating players do not receive their rewards until the item is in the game.
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tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk
Originally by: Miilla
Why should we care if CCP is run by greedy wreckless morons.
Their financial problems are not my financial problems.
But you play eve. They own eve. See a conection? No...? Ok then...
I don't see a connection I care about, no.
If they go under or get bought up, why should I care again?
Eve is a game, if it disappears, I pick another game. Your point?
Why should I care what happens to CCP again? You expect me to bail them out? Don't think so.
CCP expects rich turds to bail them out, hence the very name of the MT store its called NOBLE for a reason, its called psychology, you fell for it.
Good luck finding a game as good as old eve (you'll need it)! My solution to micro-transactions/noble exchange and CCPs money problem! |
Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk
Originally by: Miilla
Why should we care if CCP is run by greedy wreckless morons.
Their financial problems are not my financial problems.
But you play eve. They own eve. See a conection? No...? Ok then...
I don't see a connection I care about, no.
If they go under or get bought up, why should I care again?
Eve is a game, if it disappears, I pick another game. Your point?
Why should I care what happens to CCP again? You expect me to bail them out? Don't think so.
CCP expects rich turds to bail them out, hence the very name of the MT store its called NOBLE for a reason, its called psychology, you fell for it.
Good luck finding a game as good as old eve (you'll need it)!
Old eve? So you are admitting the current Eve isnt as good.
Plenty of games better than Eve. Just change Genre. I don't mind a change, at least they will have more colours than black and brown and wont need a Disney render farm to play them.
Not every game has to involve space ships and no avatar bodies.
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tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:29:00 -
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This whole thread is about removing the "new" (MT)!
I enjoy eve so much I am willing to fight for it! Not just move on once they do something stupid. My solution to micro-transactions/noble exchange and CCPs money problem! |
Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk This whole thread is about removing the "new" (MT)!
I enjoy eve so much I am willing to fight for it! Not just move on once they do something stupid.
you make it sound like a tiny bug that needs a patch.
IT is the FUNDAMENTAL company direction that is at play here, not a tiny "stupid mistake".
Whether you stay or go, doesn't matter, it is here to stay.
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tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk This whole thread is about removing the "new" (MT)!
I enjoy eve so much I am willing to fight for it! Not just move on once they do something stupid.
you make it sound like a tiny bug that needs a patch.
IT is the FUNDAMENTAL company direction that is at play here, not a tiny "stupid mistake".
Whether you stay or go, doesn't matter, it is here to stay.
Unless someone manage to come up with something better (for them). My idea also keep everything, AUR, nex, barbies in space. Just some changes to avoid mass-quitting. My solution to micro-transactions/noble exchange and CCPs money problem! |
Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk I got a solution here.
No, you don't.
What you're suggesting is a way to have players get RL items for ISK. If they decide to sell the real life stuff for $$$ lateron, they can. So you're suggesting a way to get real $$$ for ISK. Real money trade with some intermediate steps.
So how'd RMT be a solution to EVE's problems?
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.01 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lederstrumpf What you're suggesting is a way to have players get RL items for ISK. If they decide to sell the real life stuff for $$$ lateron, they can. So you're suggesting a way to get real $$$ for ISK. Real money trade with some intermediate steps.
Do you really think that there's such a huge market for random items from the EVE store that this would actually be a practical way of making money? Hint: there isn't. You might get the occasional attempt from someone who is quitting the game anyway, but it's not like CCP can stop them from just putting the account on ebay if that's their goal.
The truth is, this is probably the first reasonable idea I've heard on the subject, and the first I'd see as a 100% good thing. -----------
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Henrica Gaufridus
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk I got a solution here.
No, you don't.
What you're suggesting is a way to have players get RL items for ISK. If they decide to sell the real life stuff for $$$ lateron, they can. So you're suggesting a way to get real $$$ for ISK. Real money trade with some intermediate steps.
So how'd RMT be a solution to EVE's problems?
But CCP still gets money regardless, because someone paid CCP for the PLEX in cashy money. Thus if you buy IRL items with PLEX, you're indirectly providing CCP with money.
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