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lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:08:00 -
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First off, INB4: troll, go back to wow, variable x divided by variable y, This will destroy eve, the vets will leave, your *****, no just no, INB4 the lock, already been suggested etc etc.
So most people seem to be pretty ****ed over the idea of selling Skill points for, rl money, isk, AUR or any combination.
How about instead we make Skill points a tradeable/ sell able item in game.
Via this mechanism.
Add the ability for players to click on a skill in the character sheet, and select, "redeem for skill point commodity" The player can then take all or a variable amount of SP away from a skill they already have and have it appear as a numerical value item in the item bay. (This would subtract the selected amount from that skill and from the overall skill points from the player, also, skills going backward would affect any ship or item it is required to affect"
The Skill points can now be sold or traded through the market and contracts systems already in place, players would choose the value of skill points. When a another player buys the skill points off the market or whatever, they give that player ISK (OR AUR) per SP unit, and after that they can allocate purchased skill points to any skill they wish in their own character sheet.
This system would allow those that made mistakes in training to get something back for it, while allowing those with ISK or AUR (Both would be perfered) to trade one commodity for another, and train faster!!
This mechanism will increase eve market activity and ISK flow between players, this mechanism is also nice because it keeps the amount of Skill points in Eve Static, simply moving them from one player to another, thus noone can say "skill points out of thin air"
What ccp will have to do to prevent people from creating alts to farm sell sp from speeding through L1 and low multiplyer skills is prevent players younger than three months from selling their sp, they can still buy it however.
Sure I know this will likely never happen, but it was a nice dream I had.
God I have so many skills I wish I never trained, it sure would be nice to trade the sp for ISK. :/
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Yulinki Atavuli
Minmatar Caldari Investment and Security Industries Innovia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:50:00 -
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we already have plenty of usability in EvE. selling SP? no... if you messed up with your skill training you still have plenty of time to fix it. everyone made those mistakes and you learn from them.
like for all of those that played kotor i bet you made bad mistakes on your skills. so what did you do next time? change it! and every time you learn to make your character better. same goes for eve but in eve you still keep the old skills and if you ever need them, you don't need to train as hard. all the skills in eve are there for a purpose. and if you did some learning skills you got to use up the sp somewhere else.
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Zylaphone
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:55:00 -
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What a fantastically original idea!... oh wait...
This is a regurgitation of a zillion posts already in existence!
This does create SP out of nowhere. I'll make 2 alts on my account that can have 3 characters every three months and eat them like little SP biomass cookies!
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King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.06.29 19:28:00 -
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Don't think I've seen this proposed before but I also have to shoot it down. We all have those unused skills, I'm not opposed to a one time delete/redeem of them but the ability to trade them is too exploitable.
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lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.06.29 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: lordlulzs on 29/06/2011 20:29:53
Originally by: Yulinki Atavuli
we already have plenty of usability in EvE. selling SP? no... if you messed up with your skill training you still have plenty of time to fix it. everyone made those mistakes and you learn from them.
Yup, everyone loves learning that they wasted 5, 10, 20 or more days on some crappy skill they will never use. Telling them its ôLEARNING!!ö is so comforting and makes MOST people wanna stay longer cause that type of learning is so gosh darn hard to come by, oh wait, thatÆs what real life is for, not video games.
Next?
Originally by: Zylaphone What a fantastically original idea!... oh wait... This is a regurgitation of a zillion posts already in existence! This does create SP out of nowhere. I'll make 2 alts on my account that can have 3 characters every three months and eat them like little SP biomass cookies!
Then simply increase the time restriction from 3 months to 6 months or one year, either way, I bet ccp wouldnÆt care seeing as though this only means more subscriptions and more real life money for ccp to bask in.
Edit: And the SP is still not being created out of thin air, it took time for those alts to train and be created.
Next?
Originally by: King Rothgar Don't think I've seen this proposed before but I also have to shoot it down. We all have those unused skills, I'm not opposed to a one time delete/redeem of them but the ability to trade them is too exploitable.
No real counter argument here.
Next?
Lets continue to see how just being different works out huh?
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Baaldor
Ascendent. Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.29 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: lordlulzs I am a troll
You are trying way too hard.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.29 23:13:00 -
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SP trading would open the door to huge character change exploits.
-1 no sp other than training ..or possibly if CCP reomve an important skill reimbursal would be ok.. maybe.
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lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.06.30 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: lordlulzs on 30/06/2011 00:24:45 Edited by: lordlulzs on 30/06/2011 00:23:25 im not trying at all and i still see no remotely good counters
counters or even better more thought out suggestions/changes. not that i am surprised considering who most eve players are
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Originally by: Barbara Nichole SP trading would open the door to huge character change exploits.
-1 no sp other than training ..or possibly if CCP reomve an important skill reimbursal would be ok.. maybe.
If you are aware of possible exploits make suggestions to fix or prevent them.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.30 00:28:00 -
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You do know that the ONLY actual use this will EVER see will be to have a zillion max-respecced alts with just two +5 implants in their heads constantly training a single big skill that's fine-tuned to that particular max respec. You realize that, don't you ?
You might as well have them sell SP for PLEX, it would be pretty much the exact same thing. _
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lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.06.30 01:27:00 -
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Except that, for people that cannot afford PLEX or more than one account; they will still be able to use this system while forcing more player interaction and instilling more competition for pvp, pve and other market stimulating game activities.
sure people will make more alts, but thats still another subscription and the SP still has to accumulate through the use of another account, thus the SP is not free as the users of those alts still have to Use PLEX or RL money to keep it up and running.
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Sarfux
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Posted - 2011.06.30 01:55:00 -
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I see a problem with this already...
well..it HAS to be a problem judging by the amount of eve veterans that just flat out hate it already.
The problem is this: Too many people who are in the game moaning and *****ing about people who aren't trolls who actually HAVE good ideas and everyone just puts em down and they leave the game. Too many people never ever listen to them, just bash them right away. You "vets" of eve, cutsey name really is...calling yourselves vets :D Anyway, you guys gotta see through some ideas, play it out in your head (if you're capable) THEN comment. Not just read one sentence (what the majority of people do) and bash. P.S. not everyone is troll. And the reason WHY he said he is a troll is because EVERYBODY on the forums thinks EVERYONE is a troll no matter what. So he was just pointing it out.
Hmm...I wonder why EVE has it's little handful of "glorious" players. 40,000 each night?! Oh wait..sometimes it can go up to 70,000!! SOOO MANY PLAYERS! :P But..that's ok. Just hope for more and more and you guys will ALWAYS get less and less because, like ccp keeps proving in the patches. THEY..DON'T...GIVE..A...****...ABOUT...YOU!!
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
You do know that the ONLY actual use this will EVER see will be to have a zillion max-respecced alts with just two +5 implants in their heads constantly training a single big skill that's fine-tuned to that particular max respec. You realize that, don't you ?
/Exactly This!
Hell, I am opposed to any form of skill manipulation (the balance for all players is what makes Eve unique), but if this was in place I would do exactly what Atika said. Have one or more accounts with a minmax spec char, sitting in the station earning me skillpoints that I would contract to myself every month.
Such a bad idea. --- Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum I can tell you that this is one of the moments when we look at what those at CCP will do and less of what they say. |
lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.06.30 06:22:00 -
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Easily fixed, disallow SP exchange between accounts on same email and or billing address and or credit card.
next?
Common guys, you see what the real problem is,that ccp is to lazy or daft to code a good system.
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GizzyBoy
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Posted - 2011.06.30 09:38:00 -
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guys we should give every new account a free sc! that will help the sign ups and get people to 0.0!
this is a niche game, perhaps they wanted to be the rock star wow style game, but no the game is as its turned out.
even wow doesn't sell sp's you have to grind it,
good attempt at a troll by deflecting your a troll in the first paragraph,
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: lordlulzs Easily fixed, disallow SP exchange between accounts on same email and or billing address and or credit card.
Last time I checked, it costs nothing but a couple of minutes to create an email address, you don't HAVE to fill out your billing address, and GTC/PLEX are anonymous payment options. NOT easily fixed at all. But that doesn't really matter because...
Originally by: lordlulzs Except that, for people that cannot afford PLEX or more than one account; they will still be able to use this system while forcing more player interaction and instilling more competition for pvp, pve and other market stimulating game activities.
And how exactly do YOU hope anybody else could ever compete price-wise with the people that DO run max-respecced +5 implanted SP-farming characters to sell those SP on the open market ? Answer : you can't. The vast majority of people that will actually sell "SP tokens" will be such types of alts, and it will be only slightly more expensive to buy SP on the market than to create your own alts to do that.
Or, heck, I can see quite a few reasons why it could end up in a situation where buying SP from the market could end up CHEAPER than building your own max-specced alt ! For instance, imagine somebody that has a miner alt horde, and his primary ISK-making activity is mining. His chars are already max-skilled for mining, so additional SP are not a big concern for him, so he respecs to offset his fleet's PLEX maintenance cost via selling of SP, and doesn't really mind that he's not getting back the full price of PLEX, but just a fraction of it.
Seriously, there are so many completely unenforceable loopholes in this idea what can AND WILL be exploited to hell and back by older players that almost nobody in the ranks outside them could ever have a reasonable chance of competing in any way, shape or form unless they do exactly the same thing themselves.
So... can you still not see how this idea would hugely backfire ? _
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Neztruce
Minmatar Salubrious Port Authority
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zylaphone
This does create SP out of nowhere. I'll make 2 alts on my account that can have 3 characters every three months and eat them like little SP biomass cookies!
The reality.
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lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:18:00 -
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Ok, if you insist.
Oh well EvE, it was nice to have hope for you, if not for only a fraction of a second. :(
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente DarkSide Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:41:00 -
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Im not sure if this reason has proven why this is not a good idea or not but I will explain it.
You have one Account right now with a character called: 'PRIMARY'. This character is your normal play character and you skill up like any normal person does as time goes on.
You use buddy invite to make an alt, which we will call 'SECONDARY'. This gives 21 day trial. You use a PLEX or you pay your money for the first month of 'SECONDARY' and it gives your PRIMARY account 30 days well. Essentially a free additional 30 days for this alt 'SECONDARY' making it essentially a 51 Day Trial. For those 51 days you make your attributes all max in two different sets (say Intelligence and memory). You have this 'SECONDARY' account train all skills with Intelligence and Memory as a combo gaining max skill training time.
So for 51 days this SECONDARY account has been max training these few skills to level 5 at a very fast speed. On the 51st day you turn all those skillpoints in for this SP Item and contract them/trade them/drop them to PRIMARY. PRIMARY now has an additional 4 million skillpoints and this SECONDARY account can be canceled for literally ZERO loss of money or isk (besides a few skillbooks) as the activation of the trial gave 30 days to your PRIMARY account.
Lets take this a step further. You make 10 of these '51 day' trials which gives you an additional 10 months in the game. At the end of the 51 days you transfer all the SPs through this process and now you got an additional 40 million skillpoints roughly to give to your primary character. Your 2 month old character now has around 40-45 million skill points and has 8 or 9 months of gametime left.
If you dont see this as being a problem then there is an issue.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: lordlulzs Ok, if you insist. Oh well EvE, it was nice to have hope for you, if not for only a fraction of a second. :(
You seriously thought even for a split second that any new gameplay mechanic WOULDN'T start to get abused to hell and back the MOMENT it was introduced if such an abuse was even theoretically possible ? _
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