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kilmenow Hakaari
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.15 23:57:00 -
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If anyone remebers the state of the eve economy presentation by the good doctor, one problem he brought forth is that there is too much isk flowing into the economy. I have a potential solution that might also help with the large blocks controlling most of null sec.
Sov bills are paid every 2 weeks on systems with tcu's turned on, the more systems you "own" the more you pay. What about the membership? What I propose is a fee issued by some NPC corp for some reason like administration fees (or whatever BS CCP decides). The size of the fee would be based on the number of members withing the alliance. Small alliances would hardly notice the charge, extrememly large alliances would have fees in the billions per week.
weekly fee schedule:
up to 10 members 10k isk up to 100 members 100k isk up to 1000 members 1 million isk up to 2000 members 10 million isk up to 3000 members 100 million isk up to 4000 members 1 billion isk up to 5000 members 10 billion isk up to 6000 members 100 billion isk up to 7000 members 1 trillion isk
and so on
I'm not sure of the numbers of alliances out there, but this should help reduce the isk in the economy from the entities that have, on average, the most isk.
This could be a conflict driver. I can see some mega alliances saving money by spliting into smaller parts. There might be some in fighting or battles between alliances that would open the door to fresh blood in null sec sov.
Just a thought. Let the discussion and trolling begin |
DarkSim Market
Gangnam Style.
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:02:00 -
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This is literally the worst idea ever.
Also Anyone worth their socks would just form separate alliances of under 3000 players but keep the same leadership and everything else. Just the corps would be split up a little, is all.
EDIT: what am I even doing replying to a troll thread... |
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:03:00 -
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The answer to the OP's proposal is "no". The problem isn't nullsec alliances with too much money, the problem is too much isk flowing into highsec.
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Trendon Evenstar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:06:00 -
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I think we need some CCP Diagoras stats to tell us who has all the isk. |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:13:00 -
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this is the worst thing I ever seen.
make all normal implants come from LP stores no more story line implants, have low LP high isk and high LP low isk versions of the same implants this means every implant destroyed is isk form the game lost. also you could add a few isk to starbase charters in LP stores. |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:15:00 -
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If the OP feels that there is too much ISK in the game he should failfit some ludicrously expensive ships with insanely expensive modules and try and get through Tama or Old Man Star with them intact. CCP can't patch stupid. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:15:00 -
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Trendon Evenstar wrote:I think we need some CCP Diagoras stats to tell us who has all the isk. WH's are the problem...
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
kilmenow Hakaari
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:24:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Trendon Evenstar wrote:I think we need some CCP Diagoras stats to tell us who has all the isk. WH's are the problem...
The only isk creation in WH space is from the NPC "books" that drop. All the salvage is bought by other characters, so no isk creation. |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:25:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Trendon Evenstar wrote:I think we need some CCP Diagoras stats to tell us who has all the isk. WH's are the problem...
The first rule of WH's, you don't talk about WH's (unless you're in Chained Reactions in which case you're just bad at Eve .. they must be, they accepted my alts old corp )
CCP can't patch stupid. |
Noriko Mai
565
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:29:00 -
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Why is everyone posting Ideas in GD? And why am I drunk again? |
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Trendon Evenstar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:49:00 -
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It should be a comfort to everyone concerned about inflation that the benevolent space guild Goonswarm Federation in conjunction with the greater CFC and the Honeybadger Coalition has destroyed over 3600 ships to the tune of over 300b including many carriers and even a super carrier today.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/UMI-KK/kills
Anyone else wanna contribute? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9506
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:51:00 -
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kilmenow Hakaari wrote:The only isk creation in WH space is from the NPC "books" that drop. All the salvage is bought by other characters, so no isk creation. Actually, blue w-space loot is a pretty large source of ISK, equalling the net injection of mission and incursion rewards after the cost of LP stores has been deducted.
It may GÇ£onlyGÇ¥ be done in one way, but it's still a significant contributor. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:52:00 -
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Trendon Evenstar wrote:It should be a comfort to everyone concerned about inflation that the benevolent space guild Goonswarm Federation in conjunction with the greater CFC and the Honeybadger Coalition has destroyed over 3600 ships to the tune of over 300b including many carriers and even a super carrier today. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/UMI-KK/killsAnyone else wanna contribute?
I hope you told VR you were shooting blues? I wish I could have been there but as a pubbie I feel I wouldn't have made it further than the first null gate
CCP can't patch stupid. |
kilmenow Hakaari
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:54:00 -
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Trendon Evenstar wrote:It should be a comfort to everyone concerned about inflation that the benevolent space guild Goonswarm Federation in conjunction with the greater CFC and the Honeybadger Coalition has destroyed over 3600 ships to the tune of over 300b including many carriers and even a super carrier today. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/UMI-KK/killsAnyone else wanna contribute?
that isk doesn't actually leave the economy, it just switched hands. |
kilmenow Hakaari
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:56:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Trendon Evenstar wrote:It should be a comfort to everyone concerned about inflation that the benevolent space guild Goonswarm Federation in conjunction with the greater CFC and the Honeybadger Coalition has destroyed over 3600 ships to the tune of over 300b including many carriers and even a super carrier today. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/UMI-KK/killsAnyone else wanna contribute? I hope you told VR you were shooting blues? I wish I could have been there but as a pubbie I feel I wouldn't have made it further than the first null gate
Do you live under a rock, VR was killed a few days ago. If that was a troll, not cool. |
Jonah Gravenstein
1228
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:57:00 -
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kilmenow Hakaari wrote:Trendon Evenstar wrote:It should be a comfort to everyone concerned about inflation that the benevolent space guild Goonswarm Federation in conjunction with the greater CFC and the Honeybadger Coalition has destroyed over 3600 ships to the tune of over 300b including many carriers and even a super carrier today. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/UMI-KK/killsAnyone else wanna contribute? that isk doesn't actually leave the economy, it just switched hands.
Only the value of the loot drop changes hands, when you factor in that insuring caps is probably impossible and insuring t3's against loss is a waste of time you can bet the rest of the ISK is gone. CCP can't patch stupid. |
Trendon Evenstar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:58:00 -
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kilmenow Hakaari wrote:Trendon Evenstar wrote:It should be a comfort to everyone concerned about inflation that the benevolent space guild Goonswarm Federation in conjunction with the greater CFC and the Honeybadger Coalition has destroyed over 3600 ships to the tune of over 300b including many carriers and even a super carrier today. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/UMI-KK/killsAnyone else wanna contribute? that isk doesn't actually leave the economy, it just switched hands.
So if I have a 200m smartbombing Scorpion and it gets destroyed, I get about 40m insurance. Let's say 10m in mods drop and someone scoops that up. Probably 5m or so in salvage. Where did the other 145m go? |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:58:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I wish I could have been there but as a pubbie I feel I wouldn't have made it further than the first null gate Yeah we're just a bunch of pound pubbies. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
kilmenow Hakaari
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.16 01:04:00 -
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when you buy a ship, your paying isk for that asset. when that asset is destroyed, the isk you paid to the guy that sold you the ship, is still in his or her wallet. When you buy your replacement ship, that isk goes to whomever you paid for your new asset.
So the isk doesn't leave the eve economy. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9506
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Posted - 2012.09.16 01:06:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Only the value of the loot drop changes hands, when you factor in that insuring caps is probably impossible and insuring t3's against loss is a waste of time you can bet the rest of the ISK is gone. No, the ISK also changed hands and is still around. It now sits in the wallets of those who gathered and sold the materials and/or built and sold the components.
The fact that they weren't insured only ensures that no ISK was lost in the process.
No ISK is ever removed through the destruction of ships GÇö it is only added. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Trendon Evenstar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.16 01:06:00 -
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kilmenow Hakaari wrote:when you buy a ship, your paying isk for that asset. when that asset is destroyed, the isk you paid to the guy that sold you the ship, is still in his or her wallet. When you buy your replacement ship, that isk goes to whomever you paid for your new asset.
So the isk doesn't leave the eve economy.
I'm gonna let you think about what you just typed. |
Noriko Mai
565
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Posted - 2012.09.16 01:07:00 -
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Trendon Evenstar wrote:kilmenow Hakaari wrote:Trendon Evenstar wrote:It should be a comfort to everyone concerned about inflation that the benevolent space guild Goonswarm Federation in conjunction with the greater CFC and the Honeybadger Coalition has destroyed over 3600 ships to the tune of over 300b including many carriers and even a super carrier today. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/UMI-KK/killsAnyone else wanna contribute? that isk doesn't actually leave the economy, it just switched hands. So if I have a 200m smartbombing Scorpion and it gets destroyed, I get about 40m insurance. Let's say 10m in mods drop and someone scoops that up. Probably 5m or so in salvage. Where did the other 145m go? You bought it from someone, rigth? Insurance, if it's paid, actually prints ISK. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9506
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Posted - 2012.09.16 01:10:00 -
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Trendon Evenstar wrote:kilmenow Hakaari wrote:when you buy a ship, your paying isk for that asset. when that asset is destroyed, the isk you paid to the guy that sold you the ship, is still in his or her wallet. When you buy your replacement ship, that isk goes to whomever you paid for your new asset.
So the isk doesn't leave the eve economy. I'm gonna let you think about what you just typed. The one that should be thinking about what he said is you, because he's entirely right.
Ship destruction creates ISK. In fact, maybe it's time for ye olde copypastaGǪ
Faucets: (stuff that creates ISK)- NPC bounties
- NPC buy orders
- Agent rewards: Mission rewards, Mission time bonuses, Incursion rewards, Deposit repayment
- Insurance payout
- GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods
- Character creation
Sinks: (stuff removes ISK)- Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
- NPC sell orders
- NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
- NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
- Wardecs
- Sovereignty fees
- PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned customs offices)
- Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
- Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
- CSPA Charges
- Smuggling fines
- GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
- Character deletion
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jonah Gravenstein
1228
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Posted - 2012.09.16 01:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Only the value of the loot drop changes hands, when you factor in that insuring caps is probably impossible and insuring t3's against loss is a waste of time you can bet the rest of the ISK is gone. No, the ISK also changed hands and is still around. It now sits in the wallets of those who gathered and sold the materials and/or built and sold the components. The fact that they weren't insured only ensures that no ISK was lost in the process. No ISK is ever removed through the destruction of ships GÇö it is only added.
I bow down to Tippias superior knowledge, I assumed that lost uninsured ship = lost isk CCP can't patch stupid. |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
284
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Posted - 2012.09.16 01:11:00 -
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Trendon Evenstar wrote:kilmenow Hakaari wrote:when you buy a ship, your paying isk for that asset. when that asset is destroyed, the isk you paid to the guy that sold you the ship, is still in his or her wallet. When you buy your replacement ship, that isk goes to whomever you paid for your new asset.
So the isk doesn't leave the eve economy. I'm gonna let you think about what you just typed.
Don't bother, they don't get it. It is kind of ambiguous anyway and very ephemeral besides. The whole notion relies on the fact that the ship cost ISK to make, so the ISK paid for it should be compensation for that cost. For them, it means that mined minerals were destroyed making a ship, then ISK was given to them for making that ship, so the ship has no value. I have deleted and cleared my signature 7 times and it still won't go away. |
Noriko Mai
565
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Posted - 2012.09.16 01:11:00 -
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Trendon Evenstar wrote:kilmenow Hakaari wrote:when you buy a ship, your paying isk for that asset. when that asset is destroyed, the isk you paid to the guy that sold you the ship, is still in his or her wallet. When you buy your replacement ship, that isk goes to whomever you paid for your new asset.
So the isk doesn't leave the eve economy. I'm gonna let you think about what you just typed. I'm gonna let you think about what you just typed. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1974
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Posted - 2012.09.16 01:15:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Trendon Evenstar wrote:kilmenow Hakaari wrote:when you buy a ship, your paying isk for that asset. when that asset is destroyed, the isk you paid to the guy that sold you the ship, is still in his or her wallet. When you buy your replacement ship, that isk goes to whomever you paid for your new asset.
So the isk doesn't leave the eve economy. I'm gonna let you think about what you just typed. I'm gonna let you think about what you just typed.
Trendon was obviously trolling - noone can possibly be that dumb. You know... morons. |
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
135
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Posted - 2012.09.16 01:15:00 -
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kilmenow Hakaari wrote:If anyone remebers the state of the eve economy presentation by the good doctor, one problem he brought forth is that there is too much isk flowing into the economy. I have a potential solution that might also help with the large blocks controlling most of null sec.
Sov bills are paid every 2 weeks on systems with tcu's turned on, the more systems you "own" the more you pay. What about the membership? What I propose is a fee issued by some NPC corp for some reason like administration fees (or whatever BS CCP decides). The size of the fee would be based on the number of members withing the alliance. Small alliances would hardly notice the charge, extrememly large alliances would have fees in the billions per week.
weekly fee schedule:
up to 10 members 10k isk up to 100 members 100k isk up to 1000 members 1 million isk up to 2000 members 10 million isk up to 3000 members 100 million isk up to 4000 members 1 billion isk up to 5000 members 10 billion isk up to 6000 members 100 billion isk up to 7000 members 1 trillion isk
and so on
I'm not sure of the numbers of alliances out there, but this should help reduce the isk in the economy from the entities that have, on average, the most isk.
This could be a conflict driver. I can see some mega alliances saving money by spliting into smaller parts. There might be some in fighting or battles between alliances that would open the door to fresh blood in null sec sov.
Just a thought. Let the discussion and trolling begin
If you want to help with removing excess isk from the economy you should make an alt, send all your excess isk to that alt and then biomass it. Or buy something from 365 day orders and trash it.
You could also stop using isk and start bartering. |
Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2012.09.16 01:15:00 -
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Tax the rich? Obama is listening.
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Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2515
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Posted - 2012.09.16 01:16:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Trendon Evenstar wrote:kilmenow Hakaari wrote:when you buy a ship, your paying isk for that asset. when that asset is destroyed, the isk you paid to the guy that sold you the ship, is still in his or her wallet. When you buy your replacement ship, that isk goes to whomever you paid for your new asset.
So the isk doesn't leave the eve economy. I'm gonna let you think about what you just typed. I'm gonna let you think about what you just typed. I'm still thinking about what he typed and I still don't get it.
Anyone mind spelling this economics stuff out for the dipsticks in the peanut gallery? "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
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