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Digital Messiah
Oregami Ultd
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jada Maroo Right about now CCP is handing out free hoodies.
If ccp sold quafe hoodies i would so buy one.
Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Messiah
Originally by: Jada Maroo Right about now CCP is handing out free hoodies.
If ccp sold quafe hoodies i would so buy one.
I'm a bit concerned that the average person who has never heard of Eve would assume it's a Queef shirt.
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Digital Messiah
Oregami Ultd
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Harcosi
Originally by: Digital Messiah
Originally by: Jada Maroo Right about now CCP is handing out free hoodies.
If ccp sold quafe hoodies i would so buy one.
I'm a bit concerned that the average person who has never heard of Eve would assume it's a Queef shirt.
Perhaps that is why they couldn't sell it in can form
Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Jasmine Dupre
Kharn Empire Knights Of Freedoms
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak Lol at all these protestors thinking that they have a voice. Those that sign up to the unsub thread. Lets look at this.
Eve has around 300k subscribers at last count. <10k unsub. Look at it this way. At a table of 30 people, most of whom don't care about MT/NeX, a few are looking forward to shiny things to blow up, and 1 person is jumping up and down demanding that they would be heard.
Can you see how petty this discussion is? 30 people, only 1 of whom are against it. So 29 to 1 effectively. Hell, if this were an election, it would be a landslide...
I hate to tell you but most people who give a **** don't post in kiddie rage forums there intent or issues but wait in silence until all is confirmed, at which time they will simply not resub. I myself rarely post on the forums due to the extensive amount of crap on here however if CCP do allow RMT for in game effecting items then i will leave also. Oh and I'm not poor also unfortunately signed a year sub on 3 accounts :(
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Urah Dedman
Minmatar DEEP-13
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Dupre I hate to tell you but most people who give a **** don't post in kiddie rage forums there intent or issues but wait in silence until all is confirmed, at which time they will simply not resub. I myself rarely post on the forums due to the extensive amount of crap on here however if CCP do allow RMT for in game effecting items then i will leave also. Oh and I'm not poor also unfortunately signed a year sub on 3 accounts :(
I hope you can do something to get all that money back if you do have to leave.
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Novak Sarin
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Dupre
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak Lol at all these protestors thinking that they have a voice. Those that sign up to the unsub thread. Lets look at this.
Eve has around 300k subscribers at last count. <10k unsub. Look at it this way. At a table of 30 people, most of whom don't care about MT/NeX, a few are looking forward to shiny things to blow up, and 1 person is jumping up and down demanding that they would be heard.
Can you see how petty this discussion is? 30 people, only 1 of whom are against it. So 29 to 1 effectively. Hell, if this were an election, it would be a landslide...
I hate to tell you but most people who give a **** don't post in kiddie rage forums there intent or issues but wait in silence until all is confirmed, at which time they will simply not resub. I myself rarely post on the forums due to the extensive amount of crap on here however if CCP do allow RMT for in game effecting items then i will leave also. Oh and I'm not poor also unfortunately signed a year sub on 3 accounts :(
I'm pretty sure you can sell the account with the year included for a higher fee.
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Urah Dedman
Originally by: Jasmine Dupre I hate to tell you but most people who give a **** don't post in kiddie rage forums there intent or issues but wait in silence until all is confirmed, at which time they will simply not resub. I myself rarely post on the forums due to the extensive amount of crap on here however if CCP do allow RMT for in game effecting items then i will leave also. Oh and I'm not poor also unfortunately signed a year sub on 3 accounts :(
I hope you can do something to get all that money back if you do have to leave.
Yeha, i'd put it in a playerBlog and leak it to the forums. CCP is somewhat understanding when you put it in a blog. Explain about how you need the money back for something vain and shallow.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:45:00 -
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Updated OP with Meissa Anunthiel's Summary.
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Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Elaine Eza
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Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?
What about "convinience sales" a.k.a extra fitting slots etc. where CCP first takes a feature away from the game and then reimplments it for customers paying extra. Is this part of that discussion aswell? Is there also a discussion about removing all microtransactions? Is the CSM already sold on the idea of vanity items?
Short of a mass exodus of players like 1/3 or more canceling subscriptions, daily online population dropping to reflect this, MT are in EVE to stay. Total BS in my view as a customer when players pay for EVE to be developed and our own funding is used to build the very mechanisms that are used to sell us more crap.
From the business aspect is makes total sense you have a population and can charge them for things when plenty are willing, if not eager, to do so.
If we are fortunate we might see the convenience charges mentioned not implemented for a fee BUT more than likely new features that SHOULD or WOULD have been part of developing EVE will be introduced as convenience services later on. As an example say CCP introduces a new pay service to have a longer skill queue, or allowing you to have extra wallet divisions, or a 'bank' feature.
MT for vanity only is just the beginning towards more MT, accountants and 'bizdev' types will continually point out the willingness of players to enjoy those services for a price. What could be a greater drive for more MT than vanity MT data, because the thinking then goes to 'why aren't they buying this crap' and 'how can we get them to buy more of this crap' which leads to 'if they don't want to buy THIS crap what WOULD they like to buy'.
Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:18:00 -
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Without any sort of foundation, or positions, its hard to find the right perspective about CSM updates.
What i mean is, lets say CSM Dirtbag is in FAVOR of all MT and doesnt like the old Hangar but wants the NEW HANGAR ONLY, goes to Meeting, then gets on the forums and says "Things went well today, very positive, lots of good news...."
Does it mean the same thing as CSM Rationalperson who has actualy asked his consituents what THEY want, what THEIR concerns are, and then brought THOSE perspectives to Iceland for the meeting. And gets back and says "Things went well today, very positive, lots of good news...."
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Anon Forumalt6858
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Posted - 2011.07.01 05:01:00 -
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After reading the first day updates, i have to say that Mittens and Meissa Anunthiel did awesome with their reports. Both accounts seemed realistic and honest. The blog that I felt frustrated reading was Trebor's. It seemed overly fake. We've been bull****ted enough and it would be nice if all of our elected delegates would respect that.
Get your **** together, Trebor. - His name was John Turbefield!
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Ned Black
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Posted - 2011.07.01 05:36:00 -
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Just a small question...
When has CCP backed on one of their ideas... EVER?
To my knowledge they have always stuck to their guns and just kept on rolling.
Why should they act any diffrent now?
Besides. People have already shifted from "No MT whatsoever" to "No non-vanity MT" which is kind of a huge change if you think about it. People have already accepted MT and so the players have pretty much already lost.
Sure the NeX store features crazy expensive stuff that from what I have seen is bought not because it looks good but because it will troll people in the forums.
So lets face it MTs are here to stay, non vanity MTs will most likely begin to arrive in a while and the CSM meeting is just a PR stunt to keep people from unsubbing.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:01:00 -
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Edited by: Scott Ryder on 01/07/2011 06:02:07
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak Lol at all these protestors thinking that they have a voice. Those that sign up to the unsub thread. Lets look at this.
Eve has around 300k subscribers at last count. <10k unsub. Look at it this way. At a table of 30 people, most of whom don't care about MT/NeX, a few are looking forward to shiny things to blow up, and 1 person is jumping up and down demanding that they would be heard.
Can you see how petty this discussion is? 30 people, only 1 of whom are against it. So 29 to 1 effectively. Hell, if this were an election, it would be a landslide...
You firmly believe 29/30 people would want MT beyound vanity?
9/10 people also loves a good gang ****. Does that make ok for the 10th person?
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:08:00 -
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who actuallly cares if someone wants to spend $100 on a pixel outfit for there man doll. dosnt effect anything, dosnt harm me, my corp, my alliance or my friends. start selling peopel better ships/mods/ammo for that $100 bucks becomes a whole different ball game.
There needs to be the old hanger(less intensive station environment) enter CQ button. what ever ccp broke with the client needs fixing ive lost the ability to run more than 2 accounts at once, and this is anoying as 6-8 was possible beofre this patch with no issues. and before some fool says its you pc, its not it incarna. the client is more messed up than after the dom expansion.
i think these should be the main two topics for the csm, who gives a flying **** how much a man doll outfit costs. like come on
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:33:00 -
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I'm in contact with Trebor. He's not the gullible idiot some of you seem to enjoy assuming that he is, and even if he were, the rest of the CSM aren't. He's fully aware that as far as we're concerned the CSM are there to do one thing on our behalf.
Quoted from an email I had from him last night:
"(Me): But there's really only one question that matters... if they give the wrong answer to that then everything else is sugaring the turd."
"(Trebor):I think everyone agrees on this point."
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Mattias Kerensky
Minmatar The Flying Tigers Strategic Operations Brigade
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Posted - 2011.07.01 07:07:00 -
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CCP! We need Tech 3 Carriers in the Nex store! I'd soooooooo buy one.
Paraphrased from Top Gear: Imagine if you saw the entire French Air Force crash into a fireworks factory, that's the laugh that CCP gives us every time they do anything. |
Ranita Drell
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Posted - 2011.07.01 07:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ranita Drell on 01/07/2011 07:33:30
Originally by: Malcanis I'm in contact with Trebor. He's not the gullible idiot some of you seem to enjoy assuming that he is, and even if he were, the rest of the CSM aren't. He's fully aware that as far as we're concerned the CSM are there to do one thing on our behalf.
Quoted from an email I had from him last night:
"(Me): But there's really only one question that matters... if they give the wrong answer to that then everything else is sugaring the turd.
Good to hear, but I don't feel like that "one thing" is the only thing that matters. It is easily the most important thing, sure. However, I think if they could wrangle an announcement like this out of CCP, I'd regard it as significant also:
Quote: "Developing Incarna was a lot of hard work, and we are proud of what we've achieved with it so far. We intend for it to be an integral aspect of the EVE Online experience and we were (and still are) hopeful that our customers would greet the opportunity to personalize their characters with items from the NeX store with enthusiasm, and provide a new, robust revenue stream that would allow us to not only put out more vanity items for our customers, but also provide resources to develop other aspects of EVE, including WIS and the spaceship-exploding part that we all love.
However, in our enthusiasm, we made some mistakes in judgment and implementation. Foremost among our errors was a failure to heed the feedback we'd received from the community regarding CQ. CQ is currently more demanding on hardware than we'd like, and we now recognize that this is an issue for many players, including some of our most dedicated players who engage in multi-client play. Other players have registered their concerns regarding the immersion-breaking aspects of forced decanting from the pod, a concern that we should have been more sensitive to, considering that that we'd hoped Incarna to be one of our greatest steps in realizing the EVE universe to date, and a boon to all who enjoy immersing themselves in the strange and harsh world that is New Eden. We also recognize that certain usability features in the hangar view were removed, along with the popular amusement offered by ship spinning. Players were understandably upset by these changes, and until now we did not greet those concerns with the respect to which they are entitled.
For these reasons, in the next patch we will be including a button in the client which allows users to switch between the CQ view and the hangar view while docked. While we are proud of the work we've done on Incarna and will continue to improve upon it, we see now that in forcing our players to unnecessarily interface with this new feature, we were doing them a disservice. With this change, we expect many of you will remain in the cozy confines of the pod, but we're confident that as we expand and enhance on the groundwork we've laid with Incarna, you will not be able to resist the lure of your quarters and the environments that lie beyond."
The TLDR of that is that they restore the hangar view and acknowledge that not doing so in the first place was wrong-headed.
And it's not just about the flaws with CQ or the merits of the hangar view themselves that is the issue, but the mentality behind CCP's decision to force-feed us a half-baked expansion that serves primarily as a vanity display case and CCP's failure to own up to it after months of feedback. That's the sort of thing we should be fighting them on, regardless of what answer to the big yellow question they end up giving.
Before MT, design decisions could be boiled down to CCP's notion of how many customers they'd end up attracting, losing or retaining with a change. With MT, design decisions have to be made in the context of how they will influence MT sales also. The CQ/hangar view issue shows (in a relatively small way) how MT can influence design against us. We must guard against such trespasses!
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Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: Franz Sigel on 01/07/2011 08:17:13
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Here's my summary blog posting about day one. Enjoy.
Thx a lot, Trebor!! Finally some information out of the noise of premature judgement in this forum! (feels like a whale in search for plankton with his whalebone - tons of water and sometimes a micro-shrimp! )
Edit: I've already been presuming this was a communication breakdown. Would be confirmed my RL business experience - and I've been in the loops of some enterprise communication circuit by now! Hopefully, this will also be the final judgement in this case!
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:15:00 -
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Wow nice summary. At least one shimmer of hope, and two most awesome quotes:
Originally by: Trebor Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.
Originally by: Trebor Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?
Actually, someone get T'Amber to photoshop that, I'd so put that into by signature.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis I'm in contact with Trebor. He's not the gullible idiot some of you seem to enjoy assuming that he is, and even if he were, the rest of the CSM aren't. He's fully aware that as far as we're concerned the CSM are there to do one thing on our behalf.
Quoted from an email I had from him last night:
"(Me): But there's really only one question that matters... if they give the wrong answer to that then everything else is sugaring the turd."
"(Trebor):I think everyone agrees on this point."
I think the CSM are all most likely, highly knowledgeable individuals about Eve, and all quite intelligent, however we don't have practically any exposure to them.
The Eve Radio broadcast was quite eye opening on how competent they actually are.
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shilpi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:21:00 -
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One day over, and seems nothing important came out of it. The big question was not discussed... which should have been the only question imho.
CSM members don't even remember "That big yellow question", just hoping that was a joke.
They have specifically kept this discussion for today, when people will be in a hurry to finish up and leave for their homes.
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impli
Singularity. Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: impli on 01/07/2011 08:25:08
Originally by: shilpi One day over, and seems nothing important came out of it. The big question was not discussed... which should have been the only question imho.
CSM members don't even remember "That big yellow question", just hoping that was a joke.
They have specifically kept this discussion for today, when people will be in a hurry to finish up and leave for their homes.
always those childish crying .. every business man or woman knows .. the big topic will always discussed to an end of a meeting because if they discuss it at the start all other small / not so important thingis are discussed with a half mind on it.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: shilpi One day over, and seems nothing important came out of it. The big question was not discussed... which should have been the only question imho.
CSM members don't even remember "That big yellow question", just hoping that was a joke.
They have specifically kept this discussion for today, when people will be in a hurry to finish up and leave for their homes.
I doubt the CSM kept the yellow question for today, CCP probably wouldn't discuss it until they decided it was time, which is day two (today?).
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Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Smagd
Originally by: Trebor Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?
I usually don't ROFL - but this is a textbook example of "performative self-contradiction"!!
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shilpi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: impli Edited by: impli on 01/07/2011 08:25:08
Originally by: shilpi One day over, and seems nothing important came out of it. The big question was not discussed... which should have been the only question imho.
CSM members don't even remember "That big yellow question", just hoping that was a joke.
They have specifically kept this discussion for today, when people will be in a hurry to finish up and leave for their homes.
always those childish crying .. every business man or woman knows .. the big topic will always discussed to an end of a meeting because if they discuss it at the start all other small / not so important thingis are discussed with a half mind on it.
Lol Business Tycoon... This should have been only thing which needed discussion.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.07.01 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: shilpi Lol Business Tycoon... This should have been only thing which needed discussion.
People should relax, two day meetings don't cut the big meat as soon as you sit down.
In order to create a decent athmosphere there needs to be progress on smaller stuff.
And I don't think only one question needed answering, there where many, we will see today
what will be said about "gold ammo" and make our conclusions. - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
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Athena Tarsis
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ned Black Besides. People have already shifted from "No MT whatsoever" to "No non-vanity MT" which is kind of a huge change if you think about it. People have already accepted MT
That's because there's nothing wrong, whatsoever, with vanity-only MT. It hurts no one, doesn't affect the game, and if people with disposable cash want to spend it on vanity items for their character ... so what? --
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Ramatak
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Posted - 2011.07.01 09:09:00 -
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always those childish crying .. every business man or woman knows .. the big topic will always discussed to an end of a meeting because if they discuss it at the start all other small / not so important thingis are discussed with a half mind on it.
Lol Business Tycoon... This should have been only thing which needed discussion.
So what you are saying is that your opinion is the only one that matters. Yes it is the main topic in alot of peoples eyes. But it d*** sure ain't the only one.
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Athena Tarsis
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: shilpi CSM members don't even remember "That big yellow question", just hoping that was a joke.
Of course they remember it. Of course they know it's not a joke. Trebor specifically said it was the topic of day two. --
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Tron Flux
Caldari Live Once Die Twice New Edge Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Athena Tarsis
Originally by: Ned Black Besides. People have already shifted from "No MT whatsoever" to "No non-vanity MT" which is kind of a huge change if you think about it. People have already accepted MT
That's because there's nothing wrong, whatsoever, with vanity-only MT. It hurts no one, doesn't affect the game, and if people with disposable cash want to spend it on vanity items for their character ... so what?
But but but but what about the indies? Vanity items are new stuff introduced that people don't make in game.
Vanity items are EEEEEEEEVIL.
Vanity items will ruin the eve/player economy.
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