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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.07.01 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lu'Marat Edited by: Lu''Marat on 01/07/2011 16:39:17 OP: Wait... "why isn't anyone upset?"...
Don't get me wrong bro but... where have you been the last two weeks? 90% of the forum rage boils down to "they are ruining my game to make monies for a game I don't care about." (short-sighted as that may be.)
Yeah but I doubt this "CSM - CCP joint statement" will tell us how many devs ccp intends to assign to eve gameplay and when.
They are trying to focus on smaller problems while ignoring the elephant in the room.
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Mara Villoso
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Posted - 2011.07.01 16:50:00 -
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It's not "our" money. We paid them for access to the game. Now its theirs. If you don't want them to use it for something else, don't give them your money. |
Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.01 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jenn aSide
Originally by: Ranger 1
Because 8 years of success and growth is a sign of a poor business plan?
Because 8 years is such a short period of time in the gaming industry, nobody expands unless their game is at least 10 years old right?
Why you feel the need to put words in my mouth I don't know, nor do I care.
CCP has made one game, and imo still have the "one niche game, small game company mentaility". It would be smarter to expand more smartly rather than making a big grab. Im just a customer, not an investor, but I don't want a game I enjoy to die because of corporate over-reach (even though, EVE might survive a CCP downfall because it could be sold, but just rather that not happen).
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Making EVE itself was a huge risk. Nobody thought it could be done. If they had adopted your philosophy as their corporate philosophy, there would be no EVE.
You are simply incorrect. No one is saying "don't ever take chances". But there is smart gambling and stupid gambling.
Trying to grab to much during an economic downturn could be a big mistake. Of course I could be wrong, CCP could strike it rich(er) with WoD and my concerns would be moot. But it's not a gamble I would take, where as the orginal gamble with EVE (a niche game with little direct competition) is a gamble i would have taken.
As long as you realize that is simply your personal opinion and you have no facts or examples to back it up with, we're fine.
===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Puss in Boots
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Posted - 2011.07.01 16:56:00 -
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You realize that once you pay for services renders, It's no longer your money right? It's like tipping a waiter and then getting ticked off cause he bought a pack of smokes.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.07.01 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Villoso It's not "our" money. We paid them for access to the game. Now its theirs. If you don't want them to use it for something else, don't give them your money.
Yep thats it. If you don't want to pay for and play a dead end game don't do it. If you do then go ahead and give them your money, so they can use it to develop WOD Dust and incarnatransactions.
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Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Estephania on 01/07/2011 17:00:25 Nothing wrong with using Eve money for other projects, that's absolutely normal. Overstretching the business and milking dry the only profitable game CCP has is not normal though. I think someone should explain to those guys that greed is bad, it destroys PR, alienates customers and kills businesses.
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Sub Prime
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Puss in Boots You realize that once you pay for services renders, It's no longer your money right? It's like tipping a waiter and then getting ticked off cause he bought a pack of smokes.
I think everyone realises that, eejit!! They can do whatever they want with they money, but that doesn't mean whatever they do makes sound financial sense. For company based on suscription income, customer retention is/should be #1. ******s like you seem to disagree though.
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Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:03:00 -
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They're not using "our" money for other projects. They're using their money for other projects.
As much as I loathe a lot of what CCP has done lately, I can't really fault them for that.
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Taius Pax
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen Colored the only part you got right.
Anything else is you had to say is butt hurt tantrum.
Mr Epeen
You look like Montel Williams. And where is your monocle?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:06:00 -
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Im tired of them not reinvesting in EVE.
But it is their money.
They arent stealing from you - they are simply providing pis s poor service.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Spookyjay
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Llambda They're not using "our" money for other projects. They're using their money for other projects.
As much as I loathe a lot of what CCP has done lately, I can't really fault them for that.
You can and should. If your Employer went bankrupt and then you lost your job because the CEO's over invested in projects that would not see return for a long time instead of growing established incomes with investment then you would be ****ed.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Llambda They're not using "our" money for other projects. They're using their money for other projects.
As much as I loathe a lot of what CCP has done lately, I can't really fault them for that.
I don't really think its a matter of "fault."
Its more a matter of my own business/personal decision. If CCP is no longer going to assign substantial devs to gameplay in eve it is a dead end game. I am not interested in spending my time and money on a dead end game.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
As long as you realize that is simply your personal opinion and you have no facts or examples to back it up with, we're fine.
And you do? You have presented none, all everyone is talking about in a forum like this is "opinion".
My "opinion" is , however, informed by CCPs own financial statements. They are making a paper profit but will run out of cash on hand soon if they can't re-finance the loans (which they should have no problem doing of course).
If they were working on one new game instead of 2, perhaps they wouldn't have such an urgent cash flow problem. Without that urgent cash flow problem, perhaps there thinking would have been clearer about how they have presented things and maybe the whole mess wouldn't have happened.
Speculation, yes, but again, an opinion informed by information CCP (and others...) have made public. You offer no facts that would explained your stance (or why you somehow think my stance is wrong). ergo, you are simply a troll.
I am a customer who doesn't want my EVE to be adversely affected, I am also a fan of CCP (they gave us EVE) and I am concerned with how they let these problems happen in the 1st place. I don't want a good (potentially great) game company to make some fatal mistake that leaves them out of business and me without (non-Star Trek/Wars)internet spaceships.
Sorry if you can't comprehend that sir. Good day to you.
*walks off with air of superiority but NOT a monocle*
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Ealric Sorden
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ealric Sorden on 01/07/2011 17:14:49 Yeah, it's really not that they're using funds gained from EVE to start other projects. That's standard business practice and is necessary.
What's annoying is how they've overextended themselves with those funds and now are desperately grasping at straws. It's been said they've got an economics guru on staff for EVE - they might want to hire someone to take care of their finances outside the game.
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Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Llambda on 01/07/2011 17:25:28
Originally by: Spookyjay
Originally by: Llambda They're not using "our" money for other projects. They're using their money for other projects.
As much as I loathe a lot of what CCP has done lately, I can't really fault them for that.
You can and should. If your Employer went bankrupt and then you lost your job because the CEO's over invested in projects that would not see return for a long time instead of growing established incomes with investment then you would be ****ed.
They're not my employer, and it's a poor analogy. In point of actual fact, CCPs obligations to me are limited to a month's access to the game server. That's it. No more.
They have no obligation to devote significant funds to further development of the game. I may not like that they don't, and I may choose to take my disposable income elsewhere because of it, but it isn't a particularly angering point.
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Darth Helmat
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Jaehawn why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game?
Because it's their money and they can do what they want with it, and because that's how the software industry works: you use the old project to (in part) pay for the new project.
With a subscription game, I don't think its unreasonable for that 'new project' to be the next version of this game. Obviously they may want to do other projects and that would be fine if there wasn't a whole pile of stuff they should be doing with Eve and aren't. We've been fed very little useful content in 2 years, for 10m profit, asside from the P2W stuff, if I think there is another 2 years where the only significant expansions are really for Dust, fancy station graphics, and the opportunity to pay cash for increased range of monocles, then I'll be off. The core game needs love.
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:35:00 -
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It is theoretically possible that one could expand there business entirely within the scope of a single game.
By pumping fourth all of the companies resources into said game, they could in fact lure more subscribers and longer term customers with a noticeably higher quality product.
Current MMO market trends are to cash in short term on unfinished flops that fail within the first six months, and steadily spin towards shutdown within a couple years.
Judging by the amount of resources CCP has put into WoD however, I find it hard to believe this would be even remotely profitable.
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:40:00 -
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Funny thing is, its not your money anymore once it hits CCP¦s bankaccount.
But i would also like to see atleast some of that money go back to development of EvEonline, not some WoD thats going to miss this vampires are fashionable season anyways. Its not like Eve¦s finished product, theres still tons of bugs to fix and gamemechanics to improve.
Dust i can somehow understand since its tied to eve in some ways. Still waiting chance to fry those minions of mine from nuke from orbit option * Revolution changes worlds * CCP, players are watching, no empty promises. |
Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:48:00 -
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CCP can do anything they like with the money.
I find it very unlikely that the "20 year plan" they have for eve is anywhere near real if they spread their resources out in such a self destructive manner, however.
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Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar Fearsome Engine
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:51:00 -
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Why are people still complaining about what CCP use their money for? EVE has already had over ten years of money poured into it, the start up fund for which came from a board game that CCP produced before they were even called CCP. Using money made from one venture to fund others is the cornerstone of any decent business expansion. If the OP really doesn't like what CCP spend their money on, stop playing the game.
Originally by: Not CCP Zinfandel CCP Zinfandel: ****ING SPACE MONOCLES!
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Veritas Luxmea
Rehn Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jaehawn We all pay to be able to play Eve, so why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game? Dust 514 is still part of Eve but another project but World of Darkness is completely separate project which we shouldn't be paying for unless Eve pilots will all receive free WoD accounts since we paid for the game. All this MT drama is just a further tax on Eve pilots to pay for their new shiny toy while we cant get fixes to core problems in the game that have been broken for years or never designed properly. Now we are to believe that CCP can maintain 3 games at once.
Dude, are you this oblivious? It's unbelievable... What makes you think you have any rights whatsoever lmao, you're a customer, not part of CCP's board or a shareholder.
Please put yourself in your place and STFU.
It's not "our" money son, it's their money as soon as it leaves our bank accounts. They can do whatever they want with it. If you dont like EVE (the product you are BUYING) then stop paying for it. But then, again, who gives a $hit? |
Casarani
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:59:00 -
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Oh my god, how unintelligent can some people be!
You think the money you paid to Kelloggs for your box of cereal is going to be used SOLELY to make another box of that exact same cereal when there's so many others on the market? You think that Blizzard use WoW's subscription money to SOLELY develop WoW? No I doubt it, because they have Diablo III on the way as well as some new MMO in the future, not to mention they brought out Starcraft 2 recently.
Just more examples... When you pay for a film at the cinema and there's no sequel, where do you think the money goes? Just into some non existential time warp space vacuum hole in the universe? No it's used for the company to develop new films.
It's just the way of life. It's business. Why can't people just accept it.
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Ripperljohn
Caldari Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jaehawn We all pay to be able to play Eve, so why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game? Dust 514 is still part of Eve but another project but World of Darkness is completely separate project which we shouldn't be paying for unless Eve pilots will all receive free WoD accounts since we paid for the game. All this MT drama is just a further tax on Eve pilots to pay for their new shiny toy while we cant get fixes to core problems in the game that have been broken for years or never designed properly. Now we are to believe that CCP can maintain 3 games at once.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Jaehawn We all pay to be able to play Eve, so why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game? Dust 514 is still part of Eve but another project but World of Darkness is completely separate project which we shouldn't be paying for unless Eve pilots will all receive free WoD accounts since we paid for the game. All this MT drama is just a further tax on Eve pilots to pay for their new shiny toy while we cant get fixes to core problems in the game that have been broken for years or never designed properly. Now we are to believe that CCP can maintain 3 games at once.
Colored the only part you got right.
Anything else is you had to say is butt hurt tantrum.
Mr Epeen
Oh I almost thought this was a fake Mrs Epeen..thank god he signed the post.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jenn aSide
Originally by: Ranger 1
As long as you realize that is simply your personal opinion and you have no facts or examples to back it up with, we're fine.
And you do? You have presented none, all everyone is talking about in a forum like this is "opinion".
My "opinion" is , however, informed by CCPs own financial statements. They are making a paper profit but will run out of cash on hand soon if they can't re-finance the loans (which they should have no problem doing of course).
If they were working on one new game instead of 2, perhaps they wouldn't have such an urgent cash flow problem. Without that urgent cash flow problem, perhaps there thinking would have been clearer about how they have presented things and maybe the whole mess wouldn't have happened.
Speculation, yes, but again, an opinion informed by information CCP (and others...) have made public. You offer no facts that would explained your stance (or why you somehow think my stance is wrong). ergo, you are simply a troll.
I am a customer who doesn't want my EVE to be adversely affected, I am also a fan of CCP (they gave us EVE) and I am concerned with how they let these problems happen in the 1st place. I don't want a good (potentially great) game company to make some fatal mistake that leaves them out of business and me without (non-Star Trek/Wars)internet spaceships.
Sorry if you can't comprehend that sir. Good day to you.
*walks off with air of superiority but NOT a monocle*
Actually, my source is the same document you reference, which shows a healthy, expanding corporation. One that is in an excellent position to do what all corporations strive to do. That being, show yourselves to be financially stable enough for people to invest "their" money in, rather than put all of your own corporate assets on the line.
It's not my fault you read a corporate financial statement like it's a household budget.
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Sook Statta Hahndah
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ripperljohn
Originally by: Jaehawn We all pay to be able to play Eve, so why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game? Dust 514 is still part of Eve but another project but World of Darkness is completely separate project which we shouldn't be paying for unless Eve pilots will all receive free WoD accounts since we paid for the game. All this MT drama is just a further tax on Eve pilots to pay for their new shiny toy while we cant get fixes to core problems in the game that have been broken for years or never designed properly. Now we are to believe that CCP can maintain 3 games at once.
This would have been the perfect response with which to end the thread if "argument" had been spelled correctly.
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Zanzerschreck
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:17:00 -
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Its not "our money" they are using to developed another game. Once we pay them its their money. You sound like a spoiled child. I think alot of these fetter stomping breath holding children have been playing the same game to long. Perhaps it is time for those of you who cry the forums till you turn blue to hit the unsubscribe button and start getting a rl.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Taius Pax
Originally by: Mr Epeen Colored the only part you got right.
Anything else is you had to say is butt hurt tantrum.
Mr Epeen
You look like Montel Williams. And where is your monocle?
You look like you want to gently run your hands over my manly chest. Slowly lowering yourself to your knees as your breath quickens in anticipation of what's to come.
Mr Epeen
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Berta Fokker
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:27:00 -
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R u the blueprint case used for making dimwits?
I dont belive I m actually saying this to someone whos apprantly learnt to write but not much alese admittedly.
You bought something from them and in that instance YOUR money became THEIR money.
How hard can it be ...
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centurion zulu
Phantom Squad Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:46:00 -
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Once it leaves your hands, it's not your money anymore. CCP can do what they want with it. It's up to buyers to decide if this game is what they want to play the way CCP has designed it. The only answer is to quit giving them the money and go elswhere if CCP doesn't change their mind about some issue's bothering us.
The 2nd thing to do is post in every gaming forum out their lies about MT., performance, gameplay etc.
I remember years ago, they said they would not do that.
That's about all we have.
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