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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:48:00 -
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When you run the world's most expensive subscription based MMO (it costs somebody $75/month to keep my accounts active) you should allocate sufficient development resources to it and you should respect your customers.
CCP does neither and that's why they are failcascading.
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Zyress
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Zyress on 01/07/2011 18:52:32
Originally by: Jaehawn We all pay to be able to play Eve, so why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game? Dust 514 is still part of Eve but another project but World of Darkness is completely separate project which we shouldn't be paying for unless Eve pilots will all receive free WoD accounts since we paid for the game. All this MT drama is just a further tax on Eve pilots to pay for their new shiny toy while we cant get fixes to core problems in the game that have been broken for years or never designed properly. Now we are to believe that CCP can maintain 3 games at once.
In what imaginary business model do you put all of your income capital back into the product you got them out of. There are salaries, legal fees, facilities, advertising, and yes new product development. Maybe they don't see Eve as the vehicle they will base their entire careers on even if you see it as the last MMO you'll ever want to play.
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Haven Wind
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:01:00 -
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Can I vote this for the most 'I dropped out of school at a young age' thread title ever?
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Solosky
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:04:00 -
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Instead of polishing and growing EVE these guys decided they can step into same river twice* and create +2 succesful games. But it doesn't work like that (example: Dragon Age 1 and 2).
Sad situation.
* even "better" - three times actually!
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shoot me
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:05:00 -
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Taken from Eve subscription FAQ
"Your subscription fee gives you unlimited access to the EVE Online servers, website, and customer support. Unlike console games where you are purchasing the game as-is, the development of EVE as a persistent world is ongoing with frequent updates to add new features and improve your gameplay experience. Subscriptions allow us to continue making EVE bigger and better as well as paying our staff their monthly wages. CCP does not charge extra for game expansions. "
This is the contract CCP make with their customers in exchange for the sub and have not honered for the past few years.
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Zyress
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jaehawn One thing you did get right we aren't shareholders in CCP we are investers which should give us a say in where our money goes. So maybe a few more people should take those business courses.
Wrong, shareholders are investors, you are a customer. Yes your opinion matters but only if enough customers agree with you, and truthfully, if everyone started dropping their subscriptions to protest, they would likely just drop eve to concentrate on the newer stuff they think they can get more money out of.
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Zen Sarum
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:06:00 -
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I have no problems with them investing in other games as long as that investment is two way and EVE development is still a key priority.
In addition some extended trial/ free stuff for eve players in WoD and Dust wouldn't be amiss..
After all they want us to play all this stuff and give them more cash... right?
Or are they just after a wider market that they think doesn't really involve us.. sorry but guys that play eve play FPS and in general would RP if there was a purpose to it (as in eve.. except the limit is kill everyone take their stuff).
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Jaehawn why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game?
Because it's their money and they can do what they want with it, and because that's how the software industry works: you use the old project to (in part) pay for the new project.
All fine and dandy as long as you don't leave your only source of revenue to rot by pumping all of your cash into new, unborn babies.
One of the many reasons Eve is far from where it should be is CCP not keeping that balance in check.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Haven Wind Can I vote this for the most 'I dropped out of school at a young age' thread title ever?
Unless we cancel our subscriptions ccp will be spending our money (that we now own) on things other than eve gameplay.
So right now that money in your account is yours. If want to give your money to ccp so you can play a dead end abandoned game and they can develop dust, wod and incarnatransactions, go ahead. Thats not for me.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:23:00 -
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Does your employer giving you such questions : As what you gonna spent your earned money for.
Or do you give questions to your employer like : What you gonna do with your profit i hope you gonna raise our pay and not gonna buy a new exotic car like last time !!!
Chose one of those. If your answer is yes to any of those i salute you. Else : Who the **** you think you are .
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Raven Aldura
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: Haven Wind Can I vote this for the most 'I dropped out of school at a young age' thread title ever?
Unless we cancel our subscriptions ccp will be spending our money (that we now own) on things other than eve gameplay.
So right now that money in your account is yours. If want to give your money to ccp so you can play a dead end abandoned game and they can develop dust, wod and incarnatransactions, go ahead. Thats not for me.
You don't have to explain. Your lack of knowledge of basic business is obvious enough already.
Did you know that Sears holdings owns Lands End? How can you stand knowing that when you buy a sweater a portion goes to advertise a dishwasher somewhere?
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Jaehawn
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:31:00 -
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Lands End was already a successful company before Sears holdings bought them. Sears didn't create the company from scratch.
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Raven Aldura
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jaehawn Lands End was already a successful company before Sears holdings bought them. Sears didn't create the company from scratch.
Irrelevant.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen on 01/07/2011 19:37:52
Originally by: shoot me Taken from Eve subscription FAQ
"Your subscription fee gives you unlimited access to the EVE Online servers, website, and customer support. Unlike console games where you are purchasing the game as-is, the development of EVE as a persistent world is ongoing with frequent updates to add new features and improve your gameplay experience. Subscriptions allow us to continue making EVE bigger and better as well as paying our staff their monthly wages. CCP does not charge extra for game expansions. "
This is the contract CCP make with their customers in exchange for the sub and have not honered for the past few years.
Actually sounds like they've been honoring it fine. All it says is, "Your subscription fee gives you unlimited access to the EVE Online servers, website, and customer support." They than go on to mention the development of EvE, but do not expressly say that you are paying specifically for personalized service.To the OP - EvE is not your game. It was not your idea, you are not a shareholder, you do not get to decide what they do with their profits, or what creative endeavor they want to do next. That is up to the people running the company. All we can do as players is decide whether we have fun when we play eve, and want to pay to play eve. I love the idea that just cause we pay them than they are our content slaves to produce only stuff we demand, but that model has little bearing on corporate reality.
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Zyress
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Spookyjay
Originally by: Llambda They're not using "our" money for other projects. They're using their money for other projects.
As much as I loathe a lot of what CCP has done lately, I can't really fault them for that.
You can and should. If your Employer went bankrupt and then you lost your job because the CEO's over invested in projects that would not see return for a long time instead of growing established incomes with investment then you would be ****ed.
No if my CEO makes bad business decisions then I'll likely be unemployed, not ****ed. I don't get ****ed about things out of my control and especially not things that are none of my business. CCP's business isn't mine.
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Alouette Bistrot
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:47:00 -
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Once you pay, it's their money, you aren't loaning it to them, it's actually their money, earned by them, paid by you to them, they can do things with it without your consent.
We pay to play Eve, we play Eve, we are not owed access to any other product since we haven't paid for those products.
You can stop paying for Eve, you can stop playing Eve. You can make your own Eve and charge people to play it and let them tell you how to spend your money, audit your books, make hiring and firing decisions, steer development, whatever you want other people to do with your investment.
Good luck with that, let me know how it goes and maybe I'll sign up and demand authority over your company.
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Merovee
Amarr Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:49:00 -
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Socialism this is whats wrong with this world. Users thinking they are owners thinking they are entitle to a say. You pay your money to pretend you are gods. As costumers we can influence with our purchases. But we are not owners, we have no chips in the pot.
It makes me ill to think that street punks think that they have any control over a game that is cheap entertainment per hour of use.
BUT, I don't like the part of the game CCP is thinking of bringing stuff into the game without going through the normal channels of production/transportation/risk to markets.
Like all game updates, set long skills and wait to see how it will turn out. I will not quit, the story goes on.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Merovee Socialism this is whats wrong with this world. Users thinking they are owners thinking they are entitle to a say. You pay your money to pretend you are gods. As costumers we can influence with our purchases. But we are not owners, we have no chips in the pot.
It makes me ill to think that street punks think that they have any control over a game that is cheap entertainment per hour of use.
BUT, I don't like the part of the game CCP is thinking of bringing stuff into the game without going through the normal channels of production/transportation/risk to markets.
Like all game updates, set long skills and wait to see how it will turn out. I will not quit, the story goes on.
Once mom lets my new fan club have their internet hour, I fear they will be calling you one of my alts, Merovee. Apparently anyone with sense is a Mr Epeen alt. Not a bad thing, I guess. At least you'll know you have joined the ranks of the critical thinkers while they still wallow in a pool of butt hurt.
I cannot apologize for their stupidity. I can just give you a friendly warning.
Good thing is, their bedtime is pretty early.
Mr Epeen
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Zyress
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: Haven Wind Can I vote this for the most 'I dropped out of school at a young age' thread title ever?
Unless we cancel our subscriptions ccp will be spending our money (that we now own) on things other than eve gameplay.
So right now that money in your account is yours. If want to give your money to ccp so you can play a dead end abandoned game and they can develop dust, wod and incarnatransactions, go ahead. Thats not for me.
By all means always reevaluate the game and your spending priorities and if the game is worth the price to you. I don't know of any other game I would rather play even with Eve in the state it is in now, so I'm going no where soon. All you people wanting to take ownership of Eve's direction should stop paying your subscriptions save your money together and buy Eve, I'm sure they would sell it for the right price. Then you can decide what direction the game takes, what features are reworked added or enhanced etc.
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Keno Range
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jaehawn unless Eve pilots will all receive free WoD accounts since we paid for the game.
don't worry - I believe WoD and Dust accounts will be free anyway, because they both will be Pay-To-Win games :(
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Keno Range
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Merovee Socialism this is whats wrong with this world.
go back to school and learn what socialism really means. kthxbai
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Landlady
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jaehawn We all pay to be able to play Eve, so why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game? Dust 514 is still part of Eve but another project but World of Darkness is completely separate project which we shouldn't be paying for unless Eve pilots will all receive free WoD accounts since we paid for the game. All this MT drama is just a further tax on Eve pilots to pay for their new shiny toy while we cant get fixes to core problems in the game that have been broken for years or never designed properly. Now we are to believe that CCP can maintain 3 games at once.
Ummm... if they only re-invested the money they earned form EVE back into EVE, rather than keeping some for themselves(to use for whatever they see fit) I'm pretty sure that would make them a charity :P
[Don't want to be forum banned, so fill in this area with an insult aimed at the intellect of anyone who supports the OPs nonsense]
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Bootleg Jack
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jaehawn We all pay to be able to play Eve, so why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game? Dust 514 is still part of Eve but another project but World of Darkness is completely separate project which we shouldn't be paying for unless Eve pilots will all receive free WoD accounts since we paid for the game. All this MT drama is just a further tax on Eve pilots to pay for their new shiny toy while we cant get fixes to core problems in the game that have been broken for years or never designed properly. Now we are to believe that CCP can maintain 3 games at once.
"HEY!! I saw that!! I MARKED that 10 spot on the corner and you just passed it to those other developers "
10/10 4 Drama Queen
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Samir Duran Xadi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Aldura
Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: Haven Wind Can I vote this for the most 'I dropped out of school at a young age' thread title ever?
Unless we cancel our subscriptions ccp will be spending our money (that we now own) on things other than eve gameplay.
So right now that money in your account is yours. If want to give your money to ccp so you can play a dead end abandoned game and they can develop dust, wod and incarnatransactions, go ahead. Thats not for me.
You don't have to explain. Your lack of knowledge of basic business is obvious enough already.
Did you know that Sears holdings owns Lands End? How can you stand knowing that when you buy a sweater a portion goes to advertise a dishwasher somewhere?
you and all the other idiots in this thread are missing the "subscription part". if i had to pay a monthly fee to wear that sweater they better give me a new design each time.
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Ehdward
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:57:00 -
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Making only one product and sticking with it for eternity is such a good business model...
On opposite day!
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Ehdward
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi
Originally by: Raven Aldura
Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: Haven Wind Can I vote this for the most 'I dropped out of school at a young age' thread title ever?
Unless we cancel our subscriptions ccp will be spending our money (that we now own) on things other than eve gameplay.
So right now that money in your account is yours. If want to give your money to ccp so you can play a dead end abandoned game and they can develop dust, wod and incarnatransactions, go ahead. Thats not for me.
You don't have to explain. Your lack of knowledge of basic business is obvious enough already.
Did you know that Sears holdings owns Lands End? How can you stand knowing that when you buy a sweater a portion goes to advertise a dishwasher somewhere?
you and all the other idiots in this thread are missing the "subscription part". if i had to pay a monthly fee to wear that sweater they better give me a new design each time.
The difference between subscriptions and one time costs is a red herring. MMOs are an on going, changing (unless you are boring and mine in high sec all day) experience.
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Anslo
Disciples of Night Dominion of Darkness
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:04:00 -
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You don't know how to run a business, do you?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ivor Spacehopper Going by that logic though, no new game would be developed ever. Games in development have to be funded by something as they cannot generate their own income.
I wish I could be as stupid as you so i didn't have to smoke pot. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Kidara Malfasian
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jaehawn We all pay to be able to play Eve, so why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game? Dust 514 is still part of Eve but another project but World of Darkness is completely separate project which we shouldn't be paying for unless Eve pilots will all receive free WoD accounts since we paid for the game. All this MT drama is just a further tax on Eve pilots to pay for their new shiny toy while we cant get fixes to core problems in the game that have been broken for years or never designed properly. Now we are to believe that CCP can maintain 3 games at once.
It's only your money as long as you have it. When it is their money they can do what they want.
If I give you $20 bucks for mowing my lawn do I get a say in what you do with it? By your logic I should--I pay for you to mow my lawn. You better use it to buy gas or upgrade your f'ing mower. I don't want you buying weed and getting stoned or using it for internet ****.
You pay for access, that's it. You get your access.
If you want it to be YOUR money, KEEP IT IN YOUR WALLET.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: shoot me Taken from Eve subscription FAQ
"Your subscription fee gives you unlimited access to the EVE Online servers, website, and customer support. Unlike console games where you are purchasing the game as-is, the development of EVE as a persistent world is ongoing with frequent updates to add new features and improve your gameplay experience. Subscriptions allow us to continue making EVE bigger and better as well as paying our staff their monthly wages. CCP does not charge extra for game expansions. "
This is the contract CCP make with their customers in exchange for the sub and have not honered for the past few years.
And it was working up to apocrypha, good expansion = huge increase in amount of subscribers = bigger profit.
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