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KarathKasun
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:46:00 -
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If you only get 20 fps on a 57xx card... you need to tone down aa or something. the 4670 I have runs about 20-30fps with everything on minus AA
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:47:00 -
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What I don't get is my old Nvidia 8400GS isn't having any overheat issues (though CQ runs at only 3fps ). My computer doesn't get hot, just slow.
Note: I use max general settings, no AA though. Regular EVE runs at 10-15fps which is fine for me.
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Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:50:00 -
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 Originally by: KarathKasun
If you only get 20 fps on a 57xx card... you need to tone down aa or something. the 4670 I have runs about 20-30fps with everything on minus AA
O.o. he did say 'when looking in the mirror' to be fair, and I can't check atm, but I don't think my 5770 gets that low even looking in the mirror, and it's not that much faster than a 5750... and I *do* have my settings jacked way high. With probably a much weaker CPU and lower bandwidth RAM than he likely has.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Smoking Blunts on 01/07/2011 20:52:15
for me its not the graphics card thats casuing the prob. the issue is with the amount of memory thats being used.
pre incarna, clients were 400-450mb primary the rest were lower.
post incarna. primary client is using upto 1.1gb, secondary is 800-900. only when later clients start running do they drop to 500-600mb mark. so opertaing system and other junk running =2gb. 4 eve clients can now be 4gb on top of that. and thats where my problem lies. also it using a high cpu % per client also. but i dont think tahts where the major issue is.
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Ehdward
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:50:00 -
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I have a subpar computer. Installed an extra case fan. No more crashing.
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KarathKasun
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:51:00 -
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8400 will almost double fps if you disable HDR, which is hardly noticeable in game.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: KarathKasun
8400 will almost double fps if you disable HDR, which is hardly noticeable in game.
Good to know thank you.
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KarathKasun
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: KarathKasun on 01/07/2011 20:56:19
Edited by: KarathKasun on 01/07/2011 20:54:58
the memory issue doesnt hold much water. My clients before Incarna were around 1gb each with maxed out details and 600ish with everything disabled.
That is unless you are at 1.1gb with minimum settings.
Also, reboot the client after lowering settings.
Also also, on the 8400. disabling HDR and PostProcessing will make a huge jump in fps. but lasers arent quite as spectacular without PostProcessing.
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Nahte Lee
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:00:00 -
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You guys need to understand that Incarna, although stressful, can't push your computer past 100% usage. If you're running Incarna and your PC is overheating, then any program that pushes your system to 100% will have the same effect. It's a lack of cooling that is to blame.
The reason most people are seeing the problem for the first time with Incarna is because the CQ has a feature called Ambient Occlusion which is very good at using every bit of a GPU that it can get a hold of. That's why it's so good at stressing your PC to 100%. I have other games with this feature and they have the same effect.
If you're having heat issues, download and install this program (MSI Afterburner). It allows you to monitor your GPU temps, and control your GPU fan. If it's running too hot, turn the fan up, or set a custom profile so that it ramps up to max automatically when it starts running hot.
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KarathKasun
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:06:00 -
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I still rember tweaking STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl to use Global Illumination. (AKA raytraced lighting) It was really pretty, but brought my 2900XT to its knees even when it was a decent card.
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BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:11:00 -
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I recommend Speccy:
Light application to download that reads all temperatures.
Screenshot:
running incarna hot. And it's not because of the LIGHTING. I have CQ disabled, yet it still is overheating ONLY when docked. Temp drops when in space.
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Nahte Lee
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: Nahte Lee on 01/07/2011 21:18:25
Originally by: BLACK-STAR
running incarna hot. And it's not because of the LIGHTING. I have CQ disabled, yet it still is overheating ONLY when docked. Temp drops when in space.
Those 65nm GTX 280s run hot. 85c is normal for an stressful game. They'll easily sustain temps of 90c, but they're actually rated for temps up to 105c. At around 95 to 105c is when you may have a chance of crashing due to temps.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Syah Nightstorm
Yes, with and witout CQ the GPU now goes higher temp than before. This has already cost me many reboots, last one resulted in the loss of a Dominix Navy... CCP support "is evaluating" my request for a refund of the isk.
Our logs show **** allÖ.
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Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:29:00 -
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From my experience graphics card overheats are fortunately easy to spot. If your graphics card overheats too much you screen(s) will go completely black, you normally still have audio, but you have to reboot your PC to get your graphics back up and running.
This is due to the fact that in the event of severe overheating your graphics card should shut itself down.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: KarathKasun
Edited by: KarathKasun on 01/07/2011 20:56:19
Edited by: KarathKasun on 01/07/2011 20:54:58
the memory issue doesnt hold much water. My clients before Incarna were around 1gb each with maxed out details and 600ish with everything disabled.
That is unless you are at 1.1gb with minimum settings.
Also, reboot the client after lowering settings.
Also also, on the 8400. disabling HDR and PostProcessing will make a huge jump in fps. but lasers arent quite as spectacular without PostProcessing.
all clients run from seprate installs.
3 clients
was a bit after that it creaped up to 1.1gb. not done much in game since with more than 1 client. gets a little choppy...lol other 2 clients are docked with station environment off
all clients run on low settings with everything off. mostly as i pvp a fair bit and have to have them all set for lag fights
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Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Makko Gray
From my experience graphics card overheats are fortunately easy to spot. If your graphics card overheats too much you screen(s) will go completely black, you normally still have audio, but you have to reboot your PC to get your graphics back up and running.
This is due to the fact that in the event of severe overheating your graphics card should shut itself down.
Depends somewhat on the card. Different cards seem to display slightly different symptoms of overheating: The key point is that usually the first symptom is some sort of graphical corruption.
My old Radeon 9800 pro, for example, in KotOR or WoW would get 'spikes' going towards the center of the screen, that would shift and change like crazy every time the view changed.
My less old GeForce 6800GT SLI setup, when I tried OCing them to Ultra speed, in Mass Effect, the heads started clipping through the hair in places.
I haven't seen what my Radeon HD 5770 does yet, so I can't say.
You get the idea though. The first symptom is usually Graphical errors of one sort or another.
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BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:43:00 -
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I run games fine with it never going past 65*c. Crysis and everything else doesn't push it past 70*c.
EVE is the only game I have that is starting to cause problems and overheats since Incarna. nah, I'm not going to believe this is some video card problem because CCP can't properly code a client that jihads ppls computer rigs due to CQ.
not interested in -blah blah blah- excuses about how this is my card's fault. CCP fix your game.
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Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: BLACK-STAR
I run games fine with it never going past 65*c. Crysis and everything else doesn't push it past 70*c.
EVE is the only game I have that is starting to cause problems and overheats since Incarna. nah, I'm not going to believe this is some video card problem because CCP can't properly code a client that jihads ppls computer rigs due to CQ.
not interested in -blah blah blah- excuses about how this is my card's fault. CCP fix your game.
Nobody said it's your card's fault. We said it's YOUR fault for not properly maintaining your system, and/or having an inadequate cooling setup.
Simply put, the only thing CCP has done, is use your resources to a fuller extent than anything else you've run to date. Any other program that does the same will have the same problems until YOU and you alone fix your system.
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Leetha Layne
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:00:00 -
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Shadows are the culprit on my box....I go down 10 degrees Celsius with them off
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Nahte Lee
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Nahte Lee on 01/07/2011 22:03:41
Edited by: Nahte Lee on 01/07/2011 22:02:34
Originally by: Idami Raptor
Originally by: BLACK-STAR
I run games fine with it never going past 65*c. Crysis and everything else doesn't push it past 70*c.
EVE is the only game I have that is starting to cause problems and overheats since Incarna. nah, I'm not going to believe this is some video card problem because CCP can't properly code a client that jihads ppls computer rigs due to CQ.
not interested in -blah blah blah- excuses about how this is my card's fault. CCP fix your game.
Nobody said it's your card's fault. We said it's YOUR fault for not properly maintaining your system, and/or having an inadequate cooling setup.
Simply put, the only thing CCP has done, is use your resources to a fuller extent than anything else you've run to date. Any other program that does the same will have the same problems until YOU and you alone fix your system.
^This
Just because one game runs hotter than others doesn't mean the hot running game is flawed. Different graphics setting can cause different types of loads on GPUs, and they are all affected in different ways.
First, I would check for dust. Some GPUs may require removing a shroud around the fan before you can clean the heatsink with compressed air. If your card is old (~4 years or older) you may need to replace the thermal paste, as stock paste can lose it's heat conductivity overtime. There are lots of guides online for this. Thirdly, if it's still overheating, it's time for a new case, or some better fans for good airflow.
*Edit* Also, if you don't want to deal with any of that, turn down the graphics setting and turn on v-sync. This will give your GPU more idle time, and it probably won't run as hot. This only works if your fps is greater (without v-sync) than your monitor's refresh rate.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Idami Raptor
Originally by: BLACK-STAR
I run games fine with it never going past 65*c. Crysis and everything else doesn't push it past 70*c.
EVE is the only game I have that is starting to cause problems and overheats since Incarna. nah, I'm not going to believe this is some video card problem because CCP can't properly code a client that jihads ppls computer rigs due to CQ.
not interested in -blah blah blah- excuses about how this is my card's fault. CCP fix your game.
Nobody said it's your card's fault. We said it's YOUR fault for not properly maintaining your system, and/or having an inadequate cooling setup.
Simply put, the only thing CCP has done, is use your resources to a fuller extent than anything else you've run to date. Any other program that does the same will have the same problems until YOU and you alone fix your system.
i have teh station stuff truned off, so i have no idea why the clients useage patterns would ahve changed, as i know ive gained absolutly nothing from incarna to warrent any change let alone reduced ability to mulibox
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Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Smoking Blunts
Originally by: Idami Raptor
Originally by: BLACK-STAR
I run games fine with it never going past 65*c. Crysis and everything else doesn't push it past 70*c.
EVE is the only game I have that is starting to cause problems and overheats since Incarna. nah, I'm not going to believe this is some video card problem because CCP can't properly code a client that jihads ppls computer rigs due to CQ.
not interested in -blah blah blah- excuses about how this is my card's fault. CCP fix your game.
Nobody said it's your card's fault. We said it's YOUR fault for not properly maintaining your system, and/or having an inadequate cooling setup.
Simply put, the only thing CCP has done, is use your resources to a fuller extent than anything else you've run to date. Any other program that does the same will have the same problems until YOU and you alone fix your system.
i have teh station stuff truned off, so i have no idea why the clients useage patterns would ahve changed, as i know ive gained absolutly nothing from incarna to warrent any change let alone reduced ability to mulibox
My speculation is that it's because they discontinued SM2 support with Incarna: I suspect that a lot of people that had SM3 capable cards were set up to use SM2, because it's not nearly as resource intensive, and with the update it was forced up.
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:13:00 -
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/waves hand in an Obi-Wan Kenobi like manner
Eve has no software issues. You need new hardware and to check with your ISP.
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Nahte Lee
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Smoking Blunts
i have teh station stuff truned off, so i have no idea why the clients useage patterns would ahve changed, as i know ive gained absolutly nothing from incarna to warrent any change let alone reduced ability to mulibox
That is something they should fix. When rendering a stationary scene, your GPU is still rendering the same image over and over which can be just as stressful as an animated scene like the CQ. They should implement an fps cap when not using the CQ.
Try turning on v-sync. That could keep GPU usage down.
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BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:18:00 -
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wtf. my cooling set up is perfectly fine... do you want my resume on how I keep care of my computer??
the rig is fine, running great with everything else. I got no dust on the fans and I take off the side panel of the chassis running EVE. maintenance is great.
"HURR DERR, Derp, U GOT A BAD COOLING/DAMAGE CONTROL. HERP DUR"
Thanks for your ingenious feedback. Do you think I place my computer on a flattop stove just for sh-ts and gigs? I can cook an egg inside my computer running Incarna.
Thanks again. Smart ($1000) panties replys from CQ fann-ys.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nahte Lee
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
i have teh station stuff truned off, so i have no idea why the clients useage patterns would ahve changed, as i know ive gained absolutly nothing from incarna to warrent any change let alone reduced ability to mulibox
That is something they should fix. When rendering a stationary scene, your GPU is still rendering the same image over and over which can be just as stressful as an animated scene like the CQ. They should implement an fps cap when not using the CQ.
Try turning on v-sync. That could keep GPU usage down.
it is, prior all clients 6 at once woudl sit at 60 fps. now running 3 is bad, running 4 is a issue, and its not really the card that has issues, its ram and cpu usage.
its liek ccp want me to cut back on accounts...lol very soon, very soon
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Nahte Lee
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: BLACK-STAR
wtf. my cooling set up is perfectly fine... do you want my resume on how I keep care of my computer??
the rig is fine, running great with everything else. I got no dust on the fans and I take off the side panel of the chassis running EVE. maintenance is great.
"HURR DERR, Derp, U GOT A BAD COOLING/DAMAGE CONTROL. HERP DUR"
Thanks for your ingenious feedback. Do you think I place my computer on a flattop stove just for sh-ts and gigs? I can cook an egg inside my computer running Incarna.
Thanks again. Smart ($1000) panties replys from CQ fann-ys.
Oh, I see. You don't want help. You just want to complain. Got it 
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KarathKasun
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: KarathKasun on 01/07/2011 22:54:50
If you can cook an egg in your system I recommend you change something. If you dont know, gpu's are rated for 90c operating temps. Older NV chips do have issues with the chip package assembly though, this isnt fanboyisim, this is proven fact.
As I stated earlier, set your interval to 1 in eve and turn on v-sync. otherwise your gfx WILL go into thermal runaway if it has bad cooling capacity. Blizzard had this same problem in SC2 if you didnt know.
Not to mention that designing a game w/o a frame limiter is normal. Its not until recently that GFX card makers have designed chips that can outstrip the cooling on them by such a wide margin that they melt.
Blame ATI AND Nvidia for this problem.
Why do you think that the really new chips have integrated, non bypasable thermal throttling? They caught flak for cards asploding in furmark and other 100% load situations.
I swear people know nothing about what they are complaining about, who wants to put money that all the issues are on hd3xxx cards with single slot coolers and 65nm 2xx GTX boards?
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Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:14:00 -
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I've also noticed never before seen levels of heat.
In the oil.
In my car.
Presumably because of the yellow ball in the sky. Summer etc.
Also, always set vertical sync on.
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KarathKasun
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:20:00 -
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v-sync = on is pure win, lower temps and no annoying screen tearing. 
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