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KWyz
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Posted - 2011.07.02 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: KWyz on 02/07/2011 15:05:36 I'm almost a month away from training for a basilisk with almost perfect logistic skills (logi V, shield emission systems V, energy emission systems IV, multitasking IV), and after this is done, I plan on joining incursion fleets. These will also help me fly a scimitar, however I lack the skill for tracking links.
Unfortunately, I have zero experience when it comes to using a logistics ship. There's solid fits posted on the BTL pub incursion guide, I understand their purpose, but I have no hands-on activity with this kind of thing.
Before I pilot my shiny scimitar or basilisk and promptly blow up both myself and other unfortunate pilots, could someone please point out a guide regarding the use of logis?
Advice regarding this and other related skills I might train is also much appreciated, I plan on joining incursion only after i've reached top notch skills.
Edit: also, what skills would one need to add for a top-notch armor logistics ship, aside from the gallente and amarr cruiser V?
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.07.02 15:57:00 -
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server ------------------------------- When I mitigate risks in business, they call me financially sound. When I mitigate risk in PVP, they call me a coward.
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Evozer Olacar
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Posted - 2011.07.02 16:38:00 -
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Haven't really read it myself but I suppose it might be useful for basilisk Linky
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Ryuce
My Bonnie Lies over the Ocean
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Posted - 2011.07.02 20:11:00 -
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You only need Multitasking III. A Logi can only lock 10 targets, so the eleventh (Multitasking IV) is redundant.
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Crabs Collector
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Posted - 2011.07.02 21:52:00 -
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Its not that complicated. Lock all and rep the ones that get damaged. lvl 4 guardian runners need 2 cap xfers on them to be stable, lvl 5s need only 1.
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.07.02 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: KWyz Before I pilot my shiny scimitar or basilisk and promptly blow up both myself and other unfortunate pilots, could someone please point out a guide regarding the use of logis?
In a vanguard, add everyone in fleet to your WL, lock them up, rep as applicable. It's seriously that simple.
Quote: Advice regarding this and other related skills I might train is also much appreciated, I plan on joining incursion only after i've reached top notch skills.
lol
The only skill that raises the amount reps you put out is overheating and (if you so choose) skills for T2 rep drones. Everything else is either fitting (more transfers, rep drones) or cap-use reduction.
Quote: Edit: also, what skills would one need to add for a top-notch armor logistics ship, aside from the gallente and amarr cruiser V?
Logi V helps, especially for Oneiros. Remote armor rep system IV.
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Socks Malone
Caldari Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.07.03 09:58:00 -
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Having done a few vanguard sites it breaks down to these points:
-Fit a Tank -Don't skimp on mods and rigs -Cap transfer both logis, if someone else needs some they will say so -Have everyone on watch list, easy as pie -Rep logis above all others
Further points to avoid grief -Don't rep war targets (you're just begging to be set up if you do) better yet let them die to the incursion and loot their wreck -Watch aggression timers, see above -Join channel: BTL Pub for shield fleets -Laugh at fits in incursion local
the most annoying things are bad fits and people with wardecs, once a griefer corp figures this out incursion fleets will start unraveling and devolve to the level of FW. Contact Chitsa Jason of Narwhals Ate My Duck for all your WH merc needs. |
KWyz
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Posted - 2011.07.03 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: KWyz on 03/07/2011 12:52:19 Thank you. I wanted to join the logistics path because, aside from the fact that it seems to be the quickest way to get in incursion fleets (also, having a full t2 fits shows the fc that you at least have the sp if not the real skill) it's also something really useful to have in general, small and medium gang pvp always welcomes logistics, and there's always that pesky 10/10 wich is a royal pain in the ass to solo and much more fun in a group.
It also means that you can join most combat fleets in 0.0, wich means a lot more useful action.
Edit: training armor skills and amarr cruiser to 5 puts a little over a month to be able to just as competently use a Guardian, yay!
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Mia Restolo
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Posted - 2011.07.03 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: KWyz ...(also, having a full t2 fits shows the fc that you at least have the sp if not the real skill) ...
Quick note, you might be able to use full T2 but everyone runs the meta 4 reps and energy transfers because of the power consumption, it makes it easier to pair up with an imperfectly skilled pilot. The difference between logi 4 and 5 is huge. |
KWyz
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Posted - 2011.07.03 14:54:00 -
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I see. Thank you for pointing that out. So should I opt for the meta4 ones of the tech 2 ones?
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Mia Restolo
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Posted - 2011.07.03 15:05:00 -
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Tech 2 is meta 5. Compare meta 4 and 5 fits in EFT and the number of energy transfers you need applied to your ship for cap stability (drag and drop various modules to the projected effects window). You'll see a huge difference. |
Socks Malone
Caldari Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:17:00 -
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To emphasize: -Logi V is as great as they say it is and worth the training -Meta 4 is almost always better to fit than T2 due to easier fitting requirements and similar stats -Multitasking(to 3) is good, but in vanguard fleets watch list works just as well. -Wusamata(sp?) is a fantastic person to be in fleet with. Fastest vanguard completion times ever. -Standard fleet is 3 logi and 7 DPS. Extremely high DPS fleets who follow the FC could easily do 2 Logi and 8 DPS. Wusamata's fleet, ships would get targeted, lose 30-50% shields at most and then nothing. It was an armor fleet, figure it out. -Medium Ancillary Current Router II, everything else is wasting slots.
I have a sweet Guardian fit that works fantastic. I'll put it up when I get home tonight. Contact Chitsa Jason of Narwhals Ate My Duck for all your WH merc needs. |
The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 04/07/2011 07:57:56
Originally by: Mia Restolo
Originally by: KWyz ...(also, having a full t2 fits shows the fc that you at least have the sp if not the real skill) ...
Quick note, you might be able to use full T2 but everyone runs the meta 4 reps and energy transfers because of the power consumption, it makes it easier to pair up with an imperfectly skilled pilot.
That is not really true. Meta 4 fits are extreme common, but for the good fleets you want Logi 5 pilots with 5 T2 RR fitted(11.11 vs 12 RR in this case with a extra slot for a DPS ship). The fits however are quite a bit different to the common logi fits and tend to be a lot more expensive to get the fitting room for the T2 reps while keeping a useful EHP and high resists.
You can still pair up with other Logi 4 pilots by using a 2. energy transfer but it removes most of the advantages you have over other logi fits and skill levels this way.
To be fair this shouldn't be something you do when you start flying logis, since it doesn't offer much room for mistakes that most people do when they are new to logis. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Jasdemi
Interstellar Whine Brewery Monocle Overlords
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Posted - 2011.07.04 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jasdemi on 04/07/2011 19:37:05 Look: http://incursionguide.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/basilisk-logistics-101/ Helped me a lot.
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Pyrus Octavius
Beyond Control. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.07.05 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi Edited by: Jasdemi on 04/07/2011 19:37:05 Look: http://incursionguide.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/basilisk-logistics-101/ Helped me a lot.
I read this article too and I found it over complicated. Alot of people don't use the broadcast window in fleet. So I take my visual queue from watching my watch list or watching my target list.
One thing that I do recommend is having a friendly only overview. This way if two or more people broad cast for reps you can find them easier.
I feel that multitasking is an important skill to have if you're a logistics pilot. Having it to at least 4 lets you target 10 ships at a time. If you are in a vanguard fleet you can add your entire fleet to your watch list as well.
My order goes like this: Cap Partner 1 Cap Partner 2 Cap Partner 3 (if applicable) Anchor Light Support 1 (Huginns especially) Light Support 2 Heavy DPS 1 Heavy DPS 2 Heavy DPS 3 Heavy DPS 4
Always keep your cap partners and other logies targeted. This way you can easily put a rep on them.
I align my targets horizontal and place them above the module bar. For targets to my right of my list, I use the 2 right shield transporters. For targets to the left of my list, I use the 2 left shield transporters. This way I always know who my shield transporters are assigned to. If I need to move a rep, I can be sure I don't remove it from the wrong target.
You should always be able to see who is taking damage, and who isn't this way you can triage alot easier.
Running Logistics is not very complicated when you have the skills to see everyone in your squad. If you can see the damage their taking, you can easily apply the reps. The rest is a rinse and repeat situation. Confucius say... "When called an idiot sometimes is better to be quiet than to open mouth and remove all doubt." |
JackStraw56
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Posted - 2011.07.05 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: JackStraw56 on 05/07/2011 22:25:54
Originally by: The Djego Edited by: The Djego on 04/07/2011 07:57:56
Originally by: Mia Restolo
Originally by: KWyz ...(also, having a full t2 fits shows the fc that you at least have the sp if not the real skill) ...
Quick note, you might be able to use full T2 but everyone runs the meta 4 reps and energy transfers because of the power consumption, it makes it easier to pair up with an imperfectly skilled pilot.
That is not really true. Meta 4 fits are extreme common, but for the good fleets you want Logi 5 pilots with 5 T2 RR fitted(11.11 vs 12 RR in this case with a extra slot for a DPS ship). The fits however are quite a bit different to the common logi fits and tend to be a lot more expensive to get the fitting room for the T2 reps while keeping a useful EHP and high resists.
You can still pair up with other Logi 4 pilots by using a 2. energy transfer but it removes most of the advantages you have over other logi fits and skill levels this way.
To be fair this shouldn't be something you do when you start flying logis, since it doesn't offer much room for mistakes that most people do when they are new to logis.
Agreed, a basic fit will have meta 4 reps, but it's very possible to get cap stable with T2 reps with a bit more isk spent. Example: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/53129-Incursion-Guardian-with-T2-Reps.html
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