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Stephanie Rose
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Posted - 2011.07.02 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow I am in transit back home (now in Boston Airport) but will be happy to answer questions as time permits. I hope the devblog clears up a lot of things for everyone.
I feel bad for you, Logan airport sux.
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Stephanie Rose
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Posted - 2011.07.02 18:14:00 -
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All I read/heard was an edited version of what a lawyer would tell them to write. I am shocked to see how many people are swallowing it. An I loled so hard when someone said to apologize to CCP. I didn't see any apology coming from CCP, what makes you think anybody should give them one?
An exactly who is CCP, an who caused the issues in the first place? CCP is a company, not an entity, it is the people working under the CCP name whom make CCP. I feel bad for the ones who work for CCP who had nothing to do with this, the current quagmire was only the fault of a few.
Apologize, to them, your out of your mind. The responsable parties should be held accountable, which will never happen.
As for the issues being dealt with, only the ones they will admit to, or desire to address, the other issues are still swept under the rug.
Pigs eat swill, take your swill an feed it to them, I for one sure has hell don't appreciate you trying to feed your swill to me. Then again, why should there have been an expectation of anything but ...
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.02 18:45:00 -
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Pay to win has been in EvE ever since PLEX was introduced. If I can go buy 3500 dollars worth of GTCs, an then have 200 PLEXES to sell on the market, at 350mill a PLEX (not sure of the current price), that is 70 billion isk. I can then go to the character bizarre, buy just about ANY toon I want, an should have enough left over for a super carrier, or maybe even a titan, (no clue anymore what either cost).
Now, EvE doesn't have Pay to win? Who are you trying to convince us or yourselves? You sure as hell aren't convincing me! A had a couple choice adjectives to add about what I think about you, but I will refrain from throwing stones.
Gets real tiring when you think we are all cattle an can be herded.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.02 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Adakis Fenikkusu To those referring to CCP Shadow's previous statement:
That was an edited forum post, not an official dev blog or statement.
At the time CCP Shadow may not have been privy to any discussion or plans to implement the NeX store in EVE Online.
I didn't know CCPs lawyers played EvE too.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.02 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Janos Saal
Originally by: Stephanie Rose Pay to win has been in EvE ever since PLEX was introduced. If I can go buy 3500 dollars worth of GTCs, an then have 200 PLEXES to sell on the market, at 350mill a PLEX (not sure of the current price), that is 70 billion isk. I can then go to the character bizarre, buy just about ANY toon I want, an should have enough left over for a super carrier, or maybe even a titan, (no clue anymore what either cost).
Now, EvE doesn't have Pay to win? Who are you trying to convince us or yourselves? You sure as hell aren't convincing me! A had a couple choice adjectives to add about what I think about you, but I will refrain from throwing stones.
Gets real tiring when you think we are all cattle an can be herded.
Firstly I would just like to point out that you are spectacularly ****ing stupid.
Secondly, here's why:
EVERY SINGLE ITEM YOU BUY WITH YOUR PLEX MONEY WAS MADE, BOUGHT OR FOUND BY PLAYERS. THE CHARACTER YOU BUY WITH YOUR PLEX MONEY WAS TRAINED OVER TIME BY A PLAYER. EVERYTHING YOU BUY IS CREATED THROUGH THE EVE ECONOMY. PAYING CCP $10 FOR A GOLD SCOPR WHICH IS CREATED OUT OF THIN AIR BYPASSES THE ECONOMY. THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
I hope you found this post informative. Please report to your nearest hospital for sterilization.
Its about buying an advantage, are you really that dumb? Pay to Win has more then one meaning, but your obviously too short sighted to comprehend.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.02 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Yulinki Atavuli
ok right now all you can do is sit on a sofa and watch a screen showing some interesting info fly past.
I look forward to when they start putting commercials on the screen, I hope they can get some good ones, like the ones they show at superbowl halftime.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.02 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gloria Stitz
No wonder it took so long, the lawyers took out anything they could be held to.
I am so happy to see I wasn't alone on that thought, a couple others mentioned about the same thing previously too.
You did a great job disseccting what was said, an showing the grand canyon size holes that were left to jump thru when CCP is ready to move forward.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.02 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Korbin Dallaz It seems that one of the points that they are missing is that as long as AUR can purchase items not made by players then they do affect game play. AUR are purchased with PLEX and PLEX are bought and sold in game with isk. Unless or until players make and profit from the sale of the clothing and monocles then the player driven economy has been broken period end of story. You can try to talk around it all that you like but a basic game component and previous sales point has been permanently broken.
In other words when I came to this game I was sold on a very strict player driven economy and my ability to buy game time with in game money at a price determined by the strict player driven economy. That foundation of game play and reason I came to eve are now gone. Truth be told I have never purchased a PLEX but the promise of an honest market for them is what sucked me into this game and I had looked forward to a day when I could pay for the game that way. My hopes, dreams and one of my main reasons for playing eve are gone.
Careful, lots of people never connected those dots, you may be ostracized for being intellegent.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.02 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Don Aubaris
Edit : And I'm in aggreement with some other posts. Some kind of 'amnesty' should be given to players that got banned for protesting too fiery.
You mean for threatening real live employees over a video game?
Bans should be permanent. Zero tolerance is the only deterrent for this behavior.
Mr Epeen
I doubt that anyone intended for their statements to be real life threats and ccp must know this as well.
They were just looking for an excuse to ban their most vocal critics.
The banning of accounts is good for revenue as well, because most people who get banned don't go away, they buy a new account an keep playing. So, with this in mind, why unban an account?
Did you really think that all the botters went away? No, they bought new accounts an refined their bots more.
CCP is in need of more revenue.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.02 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sarina Berghil Edited by: Sarina Berghil on 02/07/2011 21:38:53 A comment on Trebor's blog http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2011/07/potter-stuart-and-purchase-of-insurance.html
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Imagine for a moment that instead of making this a free remap, CCP had decided that it should have a cost. Consider the following three options:
A) You can remap once per year at a cost of 400 million ISK.
B) You can remap once per year at a cost of a PLEX.
C) You can remap once per year at a cost of 3500 AURUM.
If you surveyed groups of players about the acceptability of these options (set aside the inevitable *****ing that "it should be free" for a moment), I believe that A would be acceptable to the most players, and C to the fewest, and the difference in acceptability would be significant.
Why? Because ISK represents player effort, while AURUM is tainted by its association with monocles.
Yet in reality, all these options are roughly equivalent. If you have 400 million ISK, you can buy a PLEX. If you have a PLEX, you can convert it to 3500 AURUM. And if you have 3500 AURUM, you can buy some clothes and sell them in the market for ISK.
B and C are exactly equivalent, but A is very different.
PLEX->Remap and Aurum->Remap offers a fixed exchange rate.
PLEX->ISK->Remap does not because the PLEX->ISK exchange is based on the player market. The original PLEX system was very gentle on the sandbox environment because it was kept in check by demand. Aurum is not kept in check the same way and can therefore potentially have a much larger effect.
As another poster mentioned the mere existance of the NeX puts extra demand on PLEX, thus giving people a better exchange rate converting PLEX->ISK, but a worse rate converting ISK->gametime. So indirectly every item sold in the NeX buffs existing P2W options using PLEX.
The price has been slowly rising on PLEX for years, it has only ballooned as of resent. The price will most likely go up for various other reasons as well as the one you mentioned. The one factor I see, as more an more people come into the game, aka new players, there should be an increase in the sale of GTCs an into PLEX, which should lower the price of PLEX because the market is getting fed more. It could also be possible that PLEX will skyrocket, Hello Kitty on a pink drake, I want one just for the lulz. Although, I am not too sure I would say people will buy the PLEXes from ingame. Personally, if I was serious about the pink drake, an needed the AUR, I would whip out my credit card, not spend my isk.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.02 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kueijin Legion a creepy manlove video?
Laughed so hard I think I broke a rib.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.02 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
The statement represents the views of the company. Period.
I would imagine anyone who wants a paycheck an a job next week will agree to any sort of representation the company insists they make, I would.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.02 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: The Offerer
Originally by: John Zorg Edited by: John Zorg on 02/07/2011 22:06:28 I am sure that there will be no response to this. But couldn't the GTC(PLEX) system be seen as a "Gold Ammo" system. If I have $1 000,000 and I play EVE Online I am able to purchase all the ISK I want with real money. No time is invested into that.
You say so nicely in your blog and on the youtube video that CCP will _NEVER_ have a pay to win feature in EVE-Online but the GTC(PLEX) system is exactly that...
A comment from CCP would be appreciated...
JZ
Yes, you are in position to buy whatever you want by selling PLEX-es, but: - you are giving game time to a player that need it to play; - you are getting ISK that was created by that player through gameplay. By needing his ISK you've created content for that player - a need to get a bit more ISK to buy a PLEX. - you will use that ISK to trade it for some items that other players produced. You've created content for them by having a need for those items and you've boosted the economy in the process (because as wee all know - more selling, healthier economy).
This system is nothing like "golden ammo". This system is good for the game. ----
If your rich an have lots of money, your BUYING an advantage, if your not rich, an don't have money, your not buy anything, but pounding sand. Whether you want to spin it as P2W, or not, it still gives an advantage to people who can afford it. Like someone said on a blog, no one seems to be able to clearly define P2W. Now, this may not be CCP selling you the stuff, it is coming from other players, but it still takes REAL money to make all this work, one way or another.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.02 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Resisting for the sake of resisting will get us nowhere. The underlying reasons we are resisting are what matters. In this instance they are: performance, and potential loss of functionality.
I don't think resisting means much to CCP. Most companys know new things come with a risk, as well as rewards. Hilmar said it best, wait an watch. Seems CCP doled out just enough to make some happy, an stop them from leaving. Now, the loss won't hurt as bad, an they can continue on as planned.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.02 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kane Molou What I want to know is what makes the CSM better then the rest of us? What makes them soooo damned special that they get access to information and the like we aren't allowed.........
oh that's right.....
Nothing.
they are no more and no less then the rest of us, except that they bow down and sign NDA's that forbid them from doing their job of keeping US informed.
Again.. if CCP is truely serious about showing us they are going to keep their promises of fixing bugs, releasing more content etc etc etc.. Lift the NDA. Lift the Gag order on the CSM and let us see what they see.. given again they are meant to be our voice..
How can WE have a real voice if WE don't get the same information?
Puppets don't have their own voices, it is all an illusion.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.02 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: GeneralMartok
Originally by: Heavenly Blues
Originally by: GeneralMartok its a true shame that CCP caters to the tantrums of whiney ***gots
Hey look, this guy could have gotten a blowjob with what he spend on his e-monocle.
I bought 2 quafe shirts, a monocle, sterling dress shirt, commando pants and precision boots without spending RL money, I did this for your juicy tears and to show support for CCP over the tantrums of the chromosomally challenged
Maybe if the denziens of eve protested in this manner over botting, we'd actually have some progress in that arena
Your so right, you didn't spend any real money, just the person who bought the GTCs to make the PLEXes that you bought to buy your AUR, they spent real money.
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