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Mares Ante
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.06 06:53:00 -
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I've recently started doing exploration (hisec only so far) and I seem to be getting some very inconsistent results when I try to probe down a signature. My scanning technique involves using 5 probes, one in the center and 4 positioned on each side (N,S,E,W), with edges covering the signature. But the problem is, that I sometimes completely lose the signature (or it turns into a circle) when I drop the scan range on probes down one notch (from 8au to 4au for example). I always make sure the green lines are covering the signature point as best as I can, both from top-down view and from the sides.
My relevant scanning skills are:
Astrometric Acquisition 2 Astrometric Pinpointing 4 Astrometric Rangefinding 4
I'm using a Legion with scanning subsystem, Sisters's Expanded Probe Launcher and Sister's Core Scanner Probes. According to EFT this gives me 90.55 sensor strength on probes (along with 0.075 max scan deviation and 0.25 baserange). From what I read this should make scanning a breeze, but it doesn't seem so.
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Mnemosyne Gloob
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Posted - 2011.07.06 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mares Ante with edges covering the signature.
Dunno if i understand you correctly, but you shouldn't just make the spheres touch the signature - make them overlap like 1/3 to 1/2 (that's the 4 outer probes). Probe strength of 90 should be enough to scan everything in highsec. Also now since Incarna you can use more probes to get a bit better results, like 7 with the 2 additional probes positioned above and below.
Hope that helps.
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bati
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.06 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: bati on 06/07/2011 07:18:13
Quote: Dunno if i understand you correctly, but you shouldn't just make the spheres touch the signature - make them overlap like 1/3 to 1/2 (that's the 4 outer probes).
Yes, I do let the probes overlap the signature, but only on the edges of the spheres (sphere edge of the southern probe touches the northern edge of the square in central probe, if that makes sense - kinda like on this picture http://www.eve-online-fan.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/13.jpg ). Is that not enough and should I use more overlap from outer probes?
edit: Posting on correct character now
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Xilian
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.06 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Xilian on 06/07/2011 10:18:10 Edited by: Xilian on 06/07/2011 10:17:25 Edited by: Xilian on 06/07/2011 10:17:08 To save time, no need to spam 7 probes. 4 probes overlapping each other should be enough. I scan signatures in 0.0, and since incarna i've only had to launch a fifth probe once.
Edit: i form a square, and make the probes overlap each other, with the signature in the middle
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Sam Redshift
Caldari PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.06 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mares Ante My scanning technique involves using 5 probes, one in the center and 4 positioned on each side (N,S,E,W), with edges covering the signature. But the problem is, that I sometimes completely lose the signature (or it turns into a circle) when I drop the scan range on probes down one notch (from 8au to 4au for example).
I believe this is a common observation particular if you change scan ranges in the 8Au - 2 Au ranges. I use the same cross - 5 probe scan pattern but particularly in the early scans you need much more overlap. I use at least 1/3 of the sphere. Keep in mind that the position is a guess in 3D space and the actual position of the signature can deviate significantly. If the position of the signature varies significantly from the scanned red cross in vertical direction and you decrease scan range one step, reposition scan probes without sufficient overlap, very quickly the true signature above or below your scan plane will slip out of the overlap area of few probes and you are back to the circle .
Sometimes, you have situations where you get two red crosses positioned on a vertical line (3 probes see signature). This arrangement nicely visualises how far actual scan positions can vary showing the need of larger overlaps in early scan stages.
Hope this helps.
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Scortched Merc
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Scortched Merc on 06/07/2011 14:08:36 Edited by: Scortched Merc on 06/07/2011 14:08:03 Edited by: Scortched Merc on 06/07/2011 14:06:26
Originally by: Mares Ante But the problem is, that I sometimes completely lose the signature (or it turns into a circle) when I drop the scan range on probes down one notch
Because your not following the signature with your probes... use the shift key to drag your center probe over the signature... it can be to the left, the right and up and down. If you center the probe each time you will not have any problems... happy hunting
And use 5 probes... all these idiot that are saying you are doing it worng and should be using 4 or 3 probes are idiots... use the 5th probe as your bullseye on on the signature.
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.
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Ezee Monee
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:54:00 -
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Confirming I am not an idiot.
Also confirming that I am still using 4 probes in null space (true sec of -.2 to around -.35 which could matter I suppose)
Never had to use a fifth and no implants. Scanning skills are fair to middling (no V's).
Just my experience.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ezee Monee Confirming I am not an idiot.
Also confirming that I am still using 4 probes in null space (true sec of -.2 to around -.35 which could matter I suppose)
Never had to use a fifth and no implants. Scanning skills are fair to middling (no V's).
Just my experience.
Since the expansion, scanning signatures is definitely tougher now. It also seems to be a bit buggy now as well. You must be using a ship with scan bonus fitted with scan rigs and SoE Launcher and Probes. Or you're trolling.
I've always used the 5 probe method (Compass style)in the System map. Side view = all probes at same elevation. Top view = 1st probe launched is 'center' probe with 4 more probes placed at North, South, East and West. Center probe I always keep on the signature using shift key to move all the probes and alt key to bring the outer probes in closer to the center probe.
Before expansion: Every once in a while when the scan radius got all the way down to 0.25 AU range with the view zoomed in and the 4 outer probes were touching the signature, I would have to deactivate the center probe to get the 100% signal strength.
After expansion: Every once in a while when the scan radius gets all the way down to 0.25 AU range with the view zoomed in and the 4 outer probes are touching the signature, I have to move the center probe up so that the bottom arrow point is also touching the signature to get 100% signal.
I used to get 100% signal lock on average around 1 AU scan radius. Now it's dropped to 0.5 AU scan radius.
On the 1st day after expansion while I was getting used to the changes and how the probes reacted, there was a couple of signatures in which I ended up launching a 6th probe and moved that to just below the signature to get the 100% signal lock.
Since then I haven't had to use more than 5 probes. Probably due to the placement or range of the center probe from the signature showing in the system map.
Astrometrics and Rangefinding at level 5, all other exploration skills at level 4. PPH-1 (+6% scan strength to probes) Hardwiring implant installed. Sisters of Eve Expanded Probe Launcher and Probes. One Tech 2 Gravity Capacitor Rig fitted on a non-scan bonus ship.
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Sam Redshift
Caldari PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Sam Redshift on 06/07/2011 20:24:35
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Originally by: Ezee Monee Center probe I always keep on the signature using shift key to move all the probes and alt key to bring the outer probes in closer to the center probe.
ALT key
I love the shift key and use also 5 probes (star with center probe on sig), of course. But what wizardy can I do with the ALT key??? What did I miss all the time??? Damn ... EVE PC is occupied and I cannot test it.
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Quakar
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Posted - 2011.07.07 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sam Redshift Edited by: Sam Redshift on 06/07/2011 20:24:35
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Originally by: Ezee Monee Center probe I always keep on the signature using shift key to move all the probes and alt key to bring the outer probes in closer to the center probe.
ALT key
I love the shift key and use also 5 probes (star with center probe on sig), of course. But what wizardy can I do with the ALT key??? What did I miss all the time??? Damn ... EVE PC is occupied and I cannot test it.
It was added in a recent patch. Now you only need to hold alt to move all the probes together at once instead of one at a time. Best addition to probing ever imo. Actually makes probing dare I say.... enjoyable.
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Sam Redshift
Caldari PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.07 07:24:00 -
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OMG! I can see the light now. Thx a lot,guys for telling me.
How could I have missed this one. Alt key scanning
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:26:00 -
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More overlap! Only the volume of space that has 4 probe sphere's overlap is properly scanned, so you want that volume to be large, but still have probes surround the site.
I position my probes so the edge of the south probe's sphere is on the north probe, and so on. In other words if you do a square the length of the square's diagonal should be equal to the probe scan radius.
Now where have all the good sites gone? Last night I scanned over a dozen sigs, one was a radar and the rest were either WH's or grav sites with high sec ore. If I want ore Ill just go to a local belt. If I want a WH Ill use the alt living in one.
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Chicken Pizza
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Posted - 2011.07.20 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: Chicken Pizza on 20/07/2011 09:07:48 Edited by: Chicken Pizza on 20/07/2011 09:05:58 http://www.youtube.com/user/krackhed999#p/u
Check out the EVE scanning guides I uploaded to that account. It gives you a good idea on how to position your probes. The beginning of the first video goes over a few basic things so just skip right to the part where I scan and you'll see how it's done effectively. You really don't need more than 4 probes...ever. And don't forget the new alt key feature, it's a GODSEND.
EDIT: Before anyone begins critiquing my precious videos, just keep in mind that I was still a rookie and it was my first tutorial! Won't be the last though.
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