I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?

Alliances are not responsible for the actions of an individual.
You can't ban a 100 or 6000 person alliance because a Corporation in that alliance has a botter.

You can ban the botter.

Yes GSF leadership is once again showing there poor character, no surprise there.

But nobody can force you to do anything in this game.
IF your alliance has a no report policy you have 3 choices.
1. Leave the alliance (and report it to CCP)
2. Don't look for botters so you aren't put in that position. (you would surprised how many people turn a blind eye)
3. Do what the alliance leaders say.

If you want GSF banned as a whole it is not going to happen and they are not the only alliance with botters.
End of story.

Correct.

Except Goons HAVE assumed responsibility by saying "Thou shalt only report to thy leadership". Since when did Goons (or anyone) start accepting responsibility for actions against EULA violations?

They are VERY quick to say it's CCP's problem ("we're not cops for CCP") but disallow CCP intervention as a policy.

Wrong
A person or persons in the Goon leadership have stated, not the alliance.
And once again it comes down to I am telling you go jump off that bridge.
My response is, that is nice you first.

Now if player (A) reported player (B) for botting to director (C)
Can any of the above be banned.
NO

IT is all talk, and nothing more.
CCP makes the determination if a person is a Botter not the players.

Not jumping into the heated rhetorical nature of this thread I did see some comments that I'd just like to get a statement on the record about. When making determinations regarding bans for botting the alliance, corporation, political beliefs, gender or any other anecdotal information about the offender aren't taken into account. At least not in a way that would be considered a net positive to the group the botter belongs to.

Detections determine the administrative action, not corporation or alliance membership.

That being said, if we feel there's a problem pattern developing we will take action to rectify it. Alliances and corporations should not be encouraging malicious/illegal activity and if we see evidence of this occurring action will be taken. I would heartily encourage alliances and corporations not to condone illegal activities.

Frankly - and I'm not defending or accusing anyone here - you could subsititute "Goons" with just about any other major sov holding alliance and the same conversations will have taken place.

The serious botters/RMTrs have been doing it for years (first bot I saw was 2004). In some instances they RUN the alliance. Try proving it though.

Pretty much every new corp into an alliance has to agree to stuff like this - no blue on blue, any probs with other alliance members then you talk to leadership FIRST, etc etc.

Genie has been out of the bottle for WAY too long on RMT - long enough to allegedly build houses from the proceeds if scuttlebutt is to be believed.

tl;dr every major sov holding alliance has exactly the same problem.

well lets face it, if you banned every bot out there now, you would loose a massive amount of accounts. and the bottom line is i doubt you could afford the cash flow hit

Reporting a botter has not saying on your loyalty to your Alliance. It's getting a cheater out of the game. I don't care if its "Blue" or "Red" or "Neutral" botter. It's ALL bad..

You are trying to combine the in-game mechanic of reporting a person who is CHEATING in the game and breaking EULA. That has nothing to do with Alliance loyalties. You are being loyal to your Alliance by fighting with them and defending your SOV. That doesn't mean you have to align yourself with cheaters to do so..

If your Alliance is saying that botting is to be handeled in-house they are bullshitting you, just so they don't lose that botter toon from the Alliance. Your leadership should not give two ***** if you are reporting a botter and have no need to know. Since they themselves are not able to do the actual banning. What point is it to notify them of your intentions. Unless you want to put that nice juicy target on your back..

I'm no fan of the "snitches get stitches" concept, but frankly if you're a member of a large alliance and your first response to someone acting "suspiciously" [in your opinion] is to report them to CCP, you don't belong in that alliance.

Use your "chain-of'-command." Let your corp directors know....and let them handle it. If they don't, then it's a bad corp to be in and you should drop corp and report. If you remain in corp and your corp leadership and/or alliance leadership doesn't do anything about it, then drop and report.

Once you know, you're either part of the solution or part of the problem.

It makes no sense to report alliance/corpmates.

If you fancy yourself some kind of Seymour Hersh-type and try to expose the evil-doers....then collect data/evidence and report. Still makes no sense to report blues.

[quote=Lorren Canada]Obviously you did not read my post about how we come from communities outside the game, and we play for the community, not the game. It's more than a game to us because of the community we share within and without.

I for one enjoy the bots, and are glad they are in this game as in many other great games. They came to diablo 2 and made that great, they are in WoW, and( bitched more about here sadly with that for children game) then now they are here.


I welcome out new bot overlords, that have successful ruined the forums past, players, csm, goons, and CCP apperently(but the new blue posts are nice, so dont count them out) or course DRF has ignored them cause they are bad ass.


Oh well a great past year with bots we have had, and great christmas with mining and ratting bots are ahead of us. Let us be thankful for what the bots have brought and taught us all how frail and human we all are.


Merry thanksgiving

Wait so you're suggesting that a CCP employee is ignoring reports about cheating from one faction? You are literally saying this.

Honest question, were you dropped on your head as a child?

Thanks to my excellent posting, yes!

You fear mongering anti-bot guys should all make an alliance called Bot Crusaders and go around wrecking anyone that doesn't pass some vague list of requirements for proof that they are not a bot.

Call if the New McCarthyism, anyone who does not conform to your ridiculous list of requirements, is to be considered a dirty nefarious bot lover, and be expelled from the game immediately with extreme prejudice.

I'm just as much anti-botting as the next guy, having a relatively long history with online games (since the mid 90s), I have seen too many games go down in flames from exploitation and whatnot, to NOT be vehemently anti-botting, BUT... neither am I about to start a witch hunt or become the McCarthy of EVE, I mean ffs people, think it through a bit for once.