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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 06/07/2011 20:58:33
Hear Me Out For A Second, Grand Forum Trolls
EVE Online can be fun.
You can make a community of friends to enjoy your time with. You can set your own set of goals via a multitude of skill paths, be it PVP, the acquisition of wealth or industry. At some point, if you play the game well you begin to find success in any of these fields.
And then people start saying "Lets Take Sovereignty"
Well, Sovereignty Sucks.
The burden of space, hauling, grinding alarm-clocking-second job blah. Why is this to be our "end game"? Is it because CCP tells us this is what we are supposed to do when we become successful? Null sec is boring. The game aspects that govern it are laggy, time consuming and force you "mine structures" for the sake of a name in the upper left hand corner of the screen.
IMO CCP was making monocles a long time ago when they added the "Sov button" to POS's. And like lemmings the people flocked to null space and called it "End Game"
Well, your end game is boring. I'll stick to a Non-sov grinding life and the fun that comes from a community free of drama and politics.
Word. Yo.
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Raven Aldura
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Well, your end game is boring.
I don't see how in the world you equated SOV and endgame. Elaborate?
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:54:00 -
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Nullsec isn't endgame. Not by far.
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Medidranda Livoga
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:56:00 -
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Null is probably the closest thing to endgame in EVE. Why? Look at where you can use the biggest, most expensive toys in.
I recommend wormholes for anyone who has had it with null. With few caveats of course.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:56:00 -
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The beauty of Eve is that you get to pick your own endgame. Doesn't mean that sov warfare doesn't have flaws, but you don't have to participate in it if you don't want to.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.07.06 21:03:00 -
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My end game is moving to null... then moving back to 1.0 to be bored.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.06 21:08:00 -
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There is no such thing as an end-game in eve. ~~~
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Dante Marcellus
Minmatar Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.06 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank There is no such thing as an end-game in eve.
And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK. |
Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2011.07.06 21:12:00 -
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Your argument is flawed by the start, the syntax is wrong and the whole idea can never be epistemological, nor explained at all.
See, there's NO ENDGAME.
The "ENDGAME" you equate to 0.0 exists only in your conception of how EVE works. 0.0 is an endgame as much as mining rocks 23/7 here can be an endgame once you get a Tech 2 mining barge and try to iterate this perceived escalation as a measure of progress towards a ceiling.
Or when a mission runner grinds Level 5's in low sec with his alts or corpmates and the proceeds to iterate, that if there were level 6 missions he would have to upgrade to it.
or when a researcher researches his 1000th BPO for optimal ME and then iterates he needs machinery ingame to make him reach ME even faster
Or when a trader buys his 10000th load of quafe and proceeds to remote sell it/courier transport it to another market and iterates he needs more people to keep on growing and growing and growing in an absurd notion he will grow exponentially.
Even with the utter mess up of CCP as of late with the game, there's no REAL ENDGAME, there's no levels, only a slow acquisition of SP's that let you do more and more stuff in a faster/efficient way.
You can grind missions, isk, rats, plexes, W-Space and all that will show a measure of progression is the endless sp achievement and accumulation of ingame wealth. Theoretically they are infinite, you are not, there's no endgame but the endgame you propose for yourself. In essence your endgame is a show in futility as the endgame is set to you by your own perceptions.
This line of thinking equates the ebuyer guy I saw once that bought a titan pilot with a titan/mom and then wanted to "group" with someone to do "stuff". Promptly leading him to the loss of said earnings and a big "THIS GAME BLOWS" quote.
Technically, the endgame is just the ceiling you want to place in here just to avoid gazing at the IMAGINARY NUMBERS world that lies in this badly treated sandboxy game.
I laugh at your endgame, and I laugh at myself for even answering this flawed twisted and distorted version of a falsehood achieving pseudo-credibility.
For the love of the children, for future generations, no, please, don't keep on going and perpetuating this nonsense.
Even CCP has started believing in this "endgame" philosophy of design crap and they have reached a ceiling too, for the simple reason the game is based on set of rules that mimic with eerie precision some fundamental rules of society, thus there's as much endgame here as a Maslow Pyramid gone wrong, and it doesnt involve going to africa to stake out a piece of poor unexplored countries and turning them into the next stable third world country with a government of sorts for the AVERAGE player. The true Endgame here would be EMPIRE super blocs sponsoring 0.0 factions to leach them off their natural resources and WAGE war via proxies to keep them destabilized as they siphon off their natural resources for wealth and economic supremacy.
See? I created right there, using the Maslow Pyramid gone wrong a new expansion for eve , and can Iterate on that thousands of times.
There's no endgame, there's a constant sense of NOWGAME, endgame is when you get fed up of living a parallel life where you end up doing the same in RL but with pixelated money.
---Eve is not dying, its being murdered ----
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Holy One
Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum
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Posted - 2011.07.06 21:45:00 -
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Static moons and supers ended null sec.
Its just a place to go 'for lols' like anywhere else now. And less attractive as a destination for many because of the above. Oh and bubbles. Nobody likes bubbles.
Null needs more dynamism and less blobs.
Nerf the ****ing dram while you're at it and make it so armor tanks aren't instant fail in pvp. That'd be nice.
But ..
Then we'd need to look at gallente and blasters ..
Oh my.
You know what? 18 months.
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.07.06 21:53:00 -
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Quote: boring
Such a subjective word.
I am living in 0.0 for over a year, and I have enjoyed every day of it. No other game or other aspect of EVE comes anywhere close.
Don't like 0.0? That's fine. Try wormholes, level 5 missions, faction warfare, market manipulations, capital production, etc. etc. etc. There is no single "end game" in EVE. ---
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.07.06 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 06/07/2011 20:58:33
Hear Me Out For A Second, Grand Forum Trolls
EVE Online can be fun.
You can make a community of friends to enjoy your time with. You can set your own set of goals via a multitude of skill paths, be it PVP, the acquisition of wealth or industry. At some point, if you play the game well you begin to find success in any of these fields.
And then people start saying "Lets Take Sovereignty"
Well, Sovereignty Sucks.
The burden of space, hauling, grinding alarm-clocking-second job blah. Why is this to be our "end game"? Is it because CCP tells us this is what we are supposed to do when we become successful? Null sec is boring. The game aspects that govern it are laggy, time consuming and force you "mine structures" for the sake of a name in the upper left hand corner of the screen.
IMO CCP was making monocles a long time ago when they added the "Sov button" to POS's. And like lemmings the people flocked to null space and called it "End Game"
Well, your end game is boring. I'll stick to a Non-sov grinding life and the fun that comes from a community free of drama and politics.
Word. Yo.
Remember those simpler times long ago when we used to argue about 4th Generation warfare and combat in Eve?
Those were the days. Simpler days.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.07.06 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 06/07/2011 22:07:57
Originally by: Brujo Loco Farts really loudly in public
wow... the selfrighteous nerdy indignation is strong with this one.
@ Herzog Wolfhammer Yes! I do lol
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Falyn Halycyr
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Posted - 2011.07.07 00:48:00 -
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End game? Null sec sov is end game? Garbage.
Tell that to CVA. They had Sov in providence. Then they lost it then they got some back.
So many examples the same as above. How can sov be end game? In fact, I question the whole concept of end game in Eve.
Nullsec boring? This toon doesn't live there anymore but my alt does and it can be downright terrifying at times but exhilarating at others. Good balanced fights between evenly matched fleets (a little too rare for my liking but great when they occur). A well executed ambush. Being hotdropped while ratting in a belt. Even chasing a Dram around a system from safe spot to safe spot can be fun..for a while anyway
Then we have high sec. The excitement of watching roids slowly get smaller, afking level 4s, watching tards tricking noobs into taking stuff from their containers outside a noob hatchery, can flippers...
2 separate games almost. I know which one is more fun.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.07 00:53:00 -
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There is no end game in EvE, which is its beauty and its beast. I hope you have fun in any endeavor in New Eden. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Tuggboat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.07 00:58:00 -
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We are past the end, this is what it looks like from beyond where you could see, This IS beyond your wildest imaginations.
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Valentina Valentia
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.07.07 01:12:00 -
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Incarna the learning-curve of EVE dropped several IQ points... no longer will you see the vast carnarge that was EVE hard-knocks for smart people, expect that to be replaced by dumbed down game mechanics so that "new" meaning less intelligent mouth-breathers, will join the population.
You have to understand that EVE is years, and the company from most perspectives see it as "old" and "been there done that" - EVE is being used as beta testing for WoD [and to some degree DUST] as the Carbon stuff you could see was geared to WoD first and then plugged into EVE with some duct-tape clothing options, to not make it too obvious.
EVE was never entended to be a WIS focuse, it was at it't core a spaceship/space game, and it has been hijacked to be a testing bed for the LARPies.
It was fun while it lasted... Check out below, WOT is a game that is coming into it's own.
My Current Ship is a Panzer III
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.07 01:18:00 -
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End game? That doesn't even exist here in Eve Online. There is no end game, not in a MMO with no finish line.
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.07.07 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Valentina Valentia Incarna the learning-curve of EVE dropped several IQ points... no longer will you see the vast carnarge that was EVE hard-knocks for smart people, expect that to be replaced by dumbed down game mechanics so that "new" meaning less intelligent mouth-breathers, will join the population.
You have to understand that EVE is years, and the company from most perspectives see it as "old" and "been there done that" - EVE is being used as beta testing for WoD [and to some degree DUST] as the Carbon stuff you could see was geared to WoD first and then plugged into EVE with some duct-tape clothing options, to not make it too obvious.
EVE was never entended to be a WIS focuse, it was at it't core a spaceship/space game, and it has been hijacked to be a testing bed for the LARPies.
It was fun while it lasted... Check out below, WOT is a game that is coming into it's own.
I wish to unread your post, as it sucks hard.
Anyway. End game is what you make of it, just like life. Some people think success is exactly what you see in SOV, be it in life or game. How many people do you know that work tirelessly doing something that they don't really enjoy, so that they can get more numbers at the end of the year?
Not that everyone hates SOV, but you see the pattern.
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Syberbolt8
Gallente Swallows And Amazons AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2011.07.07 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank There is no such thing as an end-game in eve.
The Resurrection: Support the Revised Dead Horse Pos thread in Assembly Hall |
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General Longkill
Helljumpers White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank There is no such thing as an end-game in eve.
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Savage Angel
Gallente Gambler's Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 01:41:00 -
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The only endgame in a sandbox is when you have used up all the sand. In what order you do so is up to you.
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handbanana
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.07 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank There is no such thing as are no current plans for an end-game in eve.
FTFY
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.07.07 01:47:00 -
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The problem with the OP is he lived in 0.0 Sov, just move to WH space or 0.0 NPC space, 0.0 Sov is about as entertaining as the spammers in jita.
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Uuali
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Posted - 2011.07.07 02:00:00 -
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This is why EVE is changing the end game to chatting in stations! Buy nice cloths. Watch others in a bar with monocles.
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Vargr Rune
Caldari Vile Rune Guild
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Posted - 2011.07.07 02:36:00 -
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Endgame? That little skull icon you see in the character selection screen, below your wealth & security status....
That is an 'endgame' button. Anything else is an act of defiant creativity.
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Selinate
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.07 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Medidranda Livoga Null is probably the closest thing to endgame in EVE. Why? Look at where you can use the biggest, most expensive toys in.
I recommend wormholes for anyone who has had it with null. With few caveats of course.
I love wormholes. They're like 0.0 without the strings and travel attached, as long as you don't move in...
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.07.07 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: digitalwanderer on 07/07/2011 02:57:34 There is an end game actually:
1: You run out of skills to train. 2: you fly the absolutely largest ship in game. 3: Have more isk than you could ever spend.
Then you've reached it, and endlessly PVP'ing for years and fighting for the same territory over and over again does get boring after a point....I know some pilots who've already changed aliances so many times over the last 8 years that i've lost count of how many times they did it.... It all becomes a blur
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Antraman
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Posted - 2011.07.07 03:17:00 -
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End game (as in a goal to aspire to) for me would be fielding a team in an Alliance Tourney, after having downed the Luminaire Titan, using an organised force players from a variety of corps in an Alliance that had taken sov somewhere, funded by ISK that had been gained from a massive bank or insurance corporation defraud operation....
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2011.07.07 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 07/07/2011 03:22:52
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
And like lemmings the people flocked to null space and called it "End Game"
{{Citation needed}}
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