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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:12:00 -
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Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: I would say the main macro reasoning is that we as a company were setting out to make subscription games, we were making virtual worlds. And the most robust model at that time was subscriptions.
But since then people have been doing really interesting things with free-to-play, micro-transactions, additional payments, premium services - there's a lot of stuff out there. What we have always believed is that to make it relevant for decades to come we have to innovate on all aspects of the game, and that includes business models just as much as game features.
If you don't change then at some point EVE will just go into oblivion, it becomes deprived over time. That's not occurring now, so we're taking a step quite early in the process and we're a company that innovates, that's a core strength of ours, to take these leaps once in a while.
full GamesIndustry.biz interview with Hilmar
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:19:00 -
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This is not the full picture.
Quote: Q: Do you see the business model changing entirely over time? From all subscriptions to all micro-transactions with a free-to-play model?
Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: It could. I would guess that's not going to happen. A lot of it is just going to be a result of how it all plays out. What people tend to look at is what's being adopted and what's being used by companies. Often that's something entirely different from what you imagine at the beginning of the life of the product but we can't predict behaviour to come. We'll take a look at purchase transactions and what people are interested in buying. We've certainly had a lot of interesting feedback from the EVE players, obviously we listen to the feedback. This is really about taking these leaps and then iterating and refining. We're just starting that process now. It started with a bang.
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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cebraio meh
I'm not giving a full picture here, go and read for yourself :-)
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 07/07/2011 14:22:08 What he fails to understand is that CCP just doesnt make virtual worlds but real communities. And when that community is not happy with what you are doing to its virtual world, they will rebel..which translates into a loss of revenue regardless of how good you think your idea is. ----- CCP exhibits an alcoholic personality...please read |
coolzero
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 07/07/2011 14:19:02 Hilmar Veigar PTtursson:
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Q: You introduced micro-transactions for vanity items, but do you see that going further with the purchase of weapons, ships, better equipment that gives the player an advantage in-game?
Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: Right now it's just not something we can comment on.
lol ofc you cant answer it.. even tho they said there is no plan nor where no plan...you want to plan it that much is clear to me.
but ofc you know, as we the eve players if you add this the **** will really hit the fan and loads of people with leave eve online(me included.) Jack of all trades, master of none...
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: coolzero
but ofc you know, as we the eve players if you add this the **** will really hit the fan and loads of people with leave eve online(me included.)
Oh no!
Leave...what?
More? Again? For realz this time?
You already shot your load on that one. No ones paying the least bit of attention now.
Mr Epeen
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I Love Boobies
Amarr All Hail Boobies
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:39:00 -
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Believe me, they know. They have already teamed up with NEXON, a huge free to play company, to make a localized Japanese client. So yeah, they are going to turn EVE free to play, and I think they are doing the Japanese client as a test bed to see how it works.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks people have been doing really interesting things with free-to-play, micro-transactions, additional payments, premium services - there's a lot of stuff out there.
The only interesting thing they did with those above mentioned models is making more money. From a business point of view it's a, they jumped off the cliff and landed well, we must jump too as well.
If that is all you want, why wait, just do it. Roast it. Toast it, Your golden goose. More money now. No EVE later. Gogogogo!
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coolzero
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: coolzero
but ofc you know, as we the eve players if you add this the **** will really hit the fan and loads of people with leave eve online(me included.)
Oh no!
Leave...what?
More? Again? For realz this time?
You already shot your load on that one. No ones paying the least bit of attention now.
Mr Epeen
not again..still
they still havent been clear on what the plan really is..
till then 1 account is down and the other o well is paid with a gtc before this mess so i have 60 days to whine about it, after that it may be clear what CCP intensions are.. if not then its still bye bye. Jack of all trades, master of none...
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Raven Aldura
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:55:00 -
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I hate to read into things, but it appears to me that CCP is, at the very least, researching going Free to play. Curious...
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Aldura I hate to read into things, but it appears to me that CCP is, at the very least, researching going Free to play. Curious...
It's only natural for a bsiness to research other means of revenue. The dilema is how to turn EVe into F2P and still maintain your dedicated playerbase.
This wont work becuase you will in effect be trading one kind of player for another. It's a zero-sum situation if you ask me. ----- CCP exhibits an alcoholic personality...please read |
coolzero
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Aldura I hate to read into things, but it appears to me that CCP is, at the very least, researching going Free to play. Curious...
yeah doubt it will work for eve online...its pretty much a nerd game :P some things are hard to master and downright boring at times.
unles they turn eve online into dumb space farmville online i doubt there will be a huge market for MT in a game as eve online.
Jack of all trades, master of none...
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:05:00 -
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Free to play EVE? Nope.
"GO FORTH AND CONQUER, AFK DOMINIX FLEET!"
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:14:00 -
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What's a sandbox without population called? --------
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: coolzero
but ofc you know, as we the eve players if you add this the **** will really hit the fan and loads of people with leave eve online(me included.)
Oh no!
Leave...what?
More? Again? For realz this time?
You already shot your load on that one. No ones paying the least bit of attention now.
Mr Epeen
CCP and you payed a ****load of attention to it actually, and obviously still are. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Prince Kobol on 07/07/2011 15:21:10 Edited by: Prince Kobol on 07/07/2011 15:20:46 Have you ever considered that CCP might be thinking about about Turning Eve in F2P for the Asian market?
Many Game companies employ different marketing/pricing strategies for their games for the Asian market.
China is now the biggest online gaming market with MT Stores and F2P being by far the most popular of payment methods.
So is it any surprise that CCP are looking into this area.. of course not.
People seem to forgot that our version of Eve is not the only one.
Also if the Asian version of Eve goes to F2P or introduces Non-Vanity items for cash, it doesn't mean the same will follow here. The Asian gaming community attitude towards their MMO's is very different from ours, hence why developers have different models and sometimes change the game mechanics.
One more thing, not to expect CCP to investigate every business option to increase their revenue is just plain stupid at worse and naive at best.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: coolzero
unles they turn eve online into dumb space farmville online i doubt there will be a huge market for MT in a game as eve online.
It wouldn't take much to flesh out high sec. Add a huge amount of missions, some private complexes/wormhole systems (i.e. they're spawned by a mission (and are not private instances)) and add a lot of NPC only loot drops (aka high sec faction/complex/officer equivalent loot) and Eve would definitely attract the casual player.
----- Request for Eve Development Roadmap. Let CSM know that we want one.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 07/07/2011 14:22:08 What he fails to understand is that CCP just doesnt make virtual worlds but real communities. And when that community is not happy with what you are doing to its virtual world, they will rebel..which translates into a loss of revenue regardless of how good you think your idea is.
What the naysayer's fail to take into account (unlike CCP), is the long-view. ~Gnosis~ |
robbyx
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
But since then people have been doing really interesting things with free-to-play, micro-transactions, additional payments, premium services - there's a lot of stuff out there. What we have always believed is that to make it relevant for decades to come we have to innovate on all aspects of the game, and that includes business models just as much as game features.
LOL this moron wants to " innovate "...by copying what ever other dead or dying pay to win pile of s**t is already doing...freakin' hilarious....this guy is starting to set the gold standard in stupidity.
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:30:00 -
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Ever since EVE started being a product being sold and not being a creative immersive universe, I stopped being a CCP fan. Now I'm only an EVE fan for as long as EVE continues being a product that interests me. I kinda look forward to the time when the product stops being interesting so I can start exploring other products.
Chances of EVE getting that old "something" back... 3%. Chances of EVE surviving another 5 years... 1%.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: coolzero
but ofc you know, as we the eve players if you add this the **** will really hit the fan and loads of people with leave eve online(me included.)
Oh no!
Leave...what?
More? Again? For realz this time?
You already shot your load on that one. No ones paying the least bit of attention now.
Mr Epeen
CCP and you payed a ****load of attention to it actually, and obviously still are.
I can't speak for CCP, but yes, I have been paying much attention. It's the same morbid fascination that makes people slow down to look at really bad traffic accidents.
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Cashcow Golden Goose
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:35:00 -
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Bullets and baseball bats? What happened to the good old days when you just sent turds?
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coolzero
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: coolzero on 07/07/2011 15:43:43
Originally by: robbyx
Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
But since then people have been doing really interesting things with free-to-play, micro-transactions, additional payments, premium services - there's a lot of stuff out there. What we have always believed is that to make it relevant for decades to come we have to innovate on all aspects of the game, and that includes business models just as much as game features.
LOL this moron wants to " innovate "...by copying what ever other dead or dying pay to win pile of s**t is already doing...freakin' hilarious....this guy is starting to set the gold standard in stupidity.
yep like lord of the rings online...till they turned F2P i used to play and love it.. now it turned crap, to few real paying people that loved the game, to many kiddies running around with free account..omg barrens chat in bree whaaaaaaa Jack of all trades, master of none...
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Sendara Amarri
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:44:00 -
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"CCP's chief business strategy is driven by internal paranoia and uses media attention as the barometer for success. Hilmar is either running on an officer grade reality distortion field or he's one of the worst corporate strategists in the world. Possibly both."
A quote I read from scrapheap that pretty much hits the issue right on the mark.
Plus, the whole making out the eve player base to be savages and terrorists by mentioning the bullets and the bats (which I think is a farce, btw) isn't making hilmar look any better. Nor should it garner sympathy from anyone who's read his internal e-mail to ccp. The man would rather throw the players under the bus than make himself look bad. |
Morgan Polaris
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sendara Amarri Edited by: Sendara Amarri on 07/07/2011 15:48:45 "CCP's chief business strategy is driven by internal paranoia and uses media attention as the barometer for success. Hilmar is either running on an officer grade reality distortion field or he's one of the worst corporate strategists in the world. Possibly both."
A quote I read from scrapheap that pretty much hits the issue right on the mark.
Plus, the whole making out the eve player base to be savages and terrorists by mentioning the bullets and the bats (which I think is a farce, btw) isn't making hilmar look any better. Nor should it garner sympathy from anyone who's read his internal e-mail to ccp. The man would rather throw the players under the bus and vilify them rather than make himself look bad.
His attitude is much like: "look! shinies!"
What's Zynga at now? 20 billion?
I don't take him for a fool, but his product is too good for him. I hate to have this bite him in the ass over EVE.
Donations accepted: 1BpQEYT7aSUNM863BV67FPxyv1cpxr74uu |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 07/07/2011 14:19:02 Hilmar Veigar PTtursson:
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Q: You introduced micro-transactions for vanity items, but do you see that going further with the purchase of weapons, ships, better equipment that gives the player an advantage in-game?
Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: Right now it's just not something we can comment on.
GG. im out of here.
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Speaker4 theDead
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:45:00 -
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People are still surprised that CCP will do what it wants, regardless?
Current Subscription 6 Months Account Expires 09 August 2011 (in 33 days)
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:45:00 -
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>Oh hey everybody else is moving to microtransactions >We'd better move to microtransactions too >INNOVATION
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Azahni Vah'nos
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:45:00 -
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If they go to the F2P model then that crowd is a whole different animal than what CCP is used to dealing with so far. I can't see them playing EvE without the game basically becoming completely different to what it currently is. Is there a long term future for EvE if that occurs, hmmm hard to say.
So many of the new F2P games seem to be virtually throw away titles, developers bring them out on a regular basis, grab as much cash as they can whilst the game is new and shiny and then go on life support from then on. Player turnover also tends to be quite high with F2P titles with most players dabbling here and there. The MMO market is flooded with them and many more on the way. I guess at some stage we will hit the oversaturation mark.
Allods Online virtually killed their game overnight with some crazy cash grab mechanics. Also if anyone has been following Black Prophecy they're basically setting it up to be stillborn in the U.S. market, even though the current playerbase are pleading with them to change the cash shops implementation. Basically it really only needs one person with enough influence in a company to get these types of things through and you can kiss a game goodbye.
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Jackstah Whoosaa
DohMinion
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jackstah Whoosaa on 07/07/2011 16:49:57
Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 07/07/2011 14:19:02 Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: I would say the main macro reasoning is that we as a company were setting out to make subscription games, we were making virtual worlds. And the most robust model at that time was subscriptions.
But since then people have been doing really interesting things with free-to-play, micro-transactions, additional payments, premium services - there's a lot of stuff out there. What we have always believed is that to make it relevant for decades to come we have to innovate on all aspects of the game, and that includes business models just as much as game features.
If you don't change then at some point EVE will just go into oblivion, it becomes deprived over time. That's not occurring now, so we're taking a step quite early in the process and we're a company that innovates, that's a core strength of ours, to take these leaps once in a while.
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Q: You introduced micro-transactions for vanity items, but do you see that going further with the purchase of weapons, ships, better equipment that gives the player an advantage in-game?
Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: Right now it's just not something we can comment on.
full GamesIndustry.biz interview with Hilmar
ok screw this , end of the line for me,canceled all 3 acounts.il keep a eye on eve but i dont have a lot of hope on comming back to this anymore.
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Keen Fallsword
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:51:00 -
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If you dont like this game... Simple !!! Dont PLAY IT. Those all Posts about "situation" are ****ing pathetic. Stop it coz you are funny.. Like kids in fog lol.. How old are you ? Dont you know what is all about ? Money !!! Mom dont teach you that ? SHAME !!! Not about ****ing crapy game !! So unsubscribe you will be free... Junkies.... You are talking to the dealer that ******* price is to high !!! Think about it if you can think... EOT
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Valarian Blacksun
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:56:00 -
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its not about that you monkey, if you invested time in a good game with a strong community. You still be ****ed of if somebody ****s it over.
Its not about us whining about it, its about taking something that was ours.
Eve was our games, and ccp was the protector.
Now ccp wants to make more money so they can make crappy consol games and vampire mmos.
So they will **** up eve to oblivion, and thats a damn shame. And yes am ****ing sad about it
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:59:00 -
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F2P and MTs only work for throwaway titles. Games you release, hopefully milk enough money out of to develop the next throwaway title before it croaks and release the new one hit wonder afterwards.
It does not work for EVE that is supposedly designed to last indefinitely.
It should work with Dust 514, as it is, considering the lifespan of console games, a throwaway title. Hopefully they make enough money with that one to release a PC version for it that is only free to play for people with EVE subscription and a small monthly fee for everyone else. --------
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Flynn Fetladral
Caldari BlackSite Prophecy
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:01:00 -
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I think people need to get over this. If you don't like the way things are going with subs then quit. Follow Flynn on Twitter |
Tanya Fox
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tanya Fox on 07/07/2011 17:04:10 Edited by: Tanya Fox on 07/07/2011 17:02:11
That says a lot, just glad my subs up in a few days.
Sure looks like it'll be the death of the old Eve.
Looks like I made the right choice.
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Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:02:00 -
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all you gotta do is look at the board of directors..
Someone needs to start listening to Icelandic fishermen instead of Icelandic bankers.
CCP Shadow 24/06/2010 17:30:40: We do not have plans to go microtransaction with EVE. October 2010 CSM Virtual Goods unveiled
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Valarian Blacksun
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:05:00 -
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i quite already .. but am still ****ed off.
its like your exwife just sold your children to a child molester in sweden.
anyway http://i.imgur.com/g3hEB.jpg <-- funny
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Jackstah Whoosaa
DohMinion
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jackstah Whoosaa on 07/07/2011 17:15:48 Edited by: Jackstah Whoosaa on 07/07/2011 17:15:02 Edited by: Jackstah Whoosaa on 07/07/2011 17:14:40 Edited by: Jackstah Whoosaa on 07/07/2011 17:14:29 Edited by: Jackstah Whoosaa on 07/07/2011 17:14:19
Originally by: Keen Fallsword If you dont like this game... Simple !!! Dont PLAY IT. Those all Posts about "situation" are ****ing pathetic. Stop it coz you are funny.. Like kids in fog lol.. How old are you ? Dont you know what is all about ? Money !!! Mom dont teach you that ? SHAME !!! Not about ****ing crapy game !! So unsubscribe you will be free... Junkies.... You are talking to the dealer that ******* price is to high !!! Think about it if you can think... EOT
i just did you little whiny b.itch\
-3 acounts
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coolzero
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Keen Fallsword If you dont like this game... Simple !!! Dont PLAY IT. Those all Posts about "situation" are ****ing pathetic. Stop it coz you are funny.. Like kids in fog lol.. How old are you ? Dont you know what is all about ? Money !!! Mom dont teach you that ? SHAME !!! Not about ****ing crapy game !! So unsubscribe you will be free... Junkies.... You are talking to the dealer that ******* price is to high !!! Think about it if you can think... EOT
think you dont get it... we like the game...as it is/was
we dont like the game if they turn to f2p/mt (well limited mt i dont mind for vanity items only), and then you will be right and we wont play it anymore.
Jack of all trades, master of none...
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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Hungry Eyes on 07/07/2011 17:17:27
Originally by: Valarian Blacksun its not about that you monkey, if you invested time in a good game with a strong community. You still be ****ed of if somebody ****s it over.
Its not about us whining about it, its about taking something that was ours.
Eve was our games, and ccp was the protector.
Now ccp wants to make more money so they can make crappy consol games and vampire mmos.
So they will **** up eve to oblivion, and thats a damn shame. And yes am ****ing sad about it
this. every noob on these forums needs to know this. ^
^ Originally by: Flynn Fetladral I think people need to get over this. If you don't like the way things are going with subs then quit.
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Ana Vyr
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:20:00 -
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Last time I looked at my credit card statement, EvE Online is NOT free to play. Until it is, any talk of this is moot.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ana Vyr Last time I looked at my credit card statement, EvE Online is NOT free to play. Until it is, any talk of this is moot.
I just checked mine and apparently it is. You should look into that. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Naradius
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:29:00 -
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Mr PTtursson, is having a bad few weeks...looks like he is intent on the bad run to continue o\
Advice for Mr PTtursson - mixed messages never create a favorable atmosphere - this you should have learnt over the last few weeks. i.e. - CCP/CSM meeting: "no plans to introduce gold ammo..." vs Post CCP/CSM meeting industry interview: "...not something we can comment on". This type of thing creates confusion and erodes any trust...remember who was paying your wages the last few years, when the rest of Iceland was going down the economic drain.
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Jarne
Caldari Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:33:00 -
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Wow, that just sounds like in a lot of companies where buzzword bingo has been perfected.
Let's see, there is this cool subscription-based model - bad thing is you have to pay a subscription fee, good thing is you don't have to pay for ingame items. And now there is this really cool new thing called micro-transactions - bad thing is you have to pay for certain items, good thing is you don't have to pay a subscription fee....
Now how can we take the worst of the too worlds? Wouldn't THAT be super cool?
lol - Success=Achievements/Expectations
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HyperZerg
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:34:00 -
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Go on, no one liked the sandbox anyway!
Hurts to see CCP destroying the Eve we like[d].
Btw, still now official numbers how many accounts canceld ?
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:35:00 -
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its more like "how greedy can we get before they kick us in the nuts"...well, seems they really want to find out, last week just wasn't enough.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.08 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
Q: You introduced micro-transactions for vanity items, but do you see that going further with the purchase of weapons, ships, better equipment that gives the player an advantage in-game?
Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: Right now it's just not something we can comment on.
Hmmm. Somehow this was not the unequivocal 'NO!' I was hoping for. |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2011.07.08 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
Q: You introduced micro-transactions for vanity items, but do you see that going further with the purchase of weapons, ships, better equipment that gives the player an advantage in-game?
Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: Right now it's just not something we can comment on.
Hmmm. Somehow this was not the unequivocal 'NO!' I was hoping for.
Don't worry about it. It's your typical CEO type of shady answer. Those guys learn this dialect quickly to keep investors happy and avoid being pinned down on specifica.
If you think they're going to introduce MT stuff with real impact on gameplay anytime soon you're stupid. Even greedy ass suits realize how fast this ship would sink if they did that. So unless they change the fundamentals they'd have to change in order to facilitate such stuff it's not going to happen.
Don't buy the hype. |
Obviously Confidential
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Posted - 2011.07.08 10:24:00 -
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When did innovation involve looking at what other people do and then copying them???
That's not the way EVE was built.
Seriously, CEO should stop attending gaming conferences and play more EVE. |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2011.07.08 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Obviously Confidential When did innovation involve looking at what other people do and then copying them???
Since always. Look at what your predecessors did. Switch it up. Find ways to make it better. It's a huge part of what actually spawns innovation.
Quote: That's not the way EVE was built.
Of course it is. Eve is heavily influenced by Elite. Hilmar & co talked about it all the time way back when.
Quote: Seriously, CEO should stop attending gaming conferences and play more EVE.
True. |
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Dark Reignz
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:33:00 -
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Arrh so there is still a glimmer of hope I might one day see my precious Quafe Extreme Ö Skill Respec items. Lovely. +100 Inter-reps to Hilmar! |
pichan
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:40:00 -
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I could actually see F2P really for Eve. Just make the max level for anything 3 or 4 and dont allow anything above a BS to be trained. If you did that, you may be a lot of people to shoot at and have fun with, plus it would give CCP the change to get people into the game as 2 weeks of F2P is not going to get a lot of skills up to really go out and PVP with players a lot. Dont think doing that would hurt anything really.
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2011.07.08 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: MaiLina KaTar Of course it is. Eve is heavily influenced by Elite.
Thank god somebody still knows that. I wonder how many actually know what Elite is... |
Mitchello
B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.08 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Space Wanderer
Originally by: MaiLina KaTar Of course it is. Eve is heavily influenced by Elite.
Thank god somebody still knows that. I wonder how many actually know what Elite is...
Great, you two managed to make me feel old briefly
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StuRyan
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Posted - 2011.07.08 12:59:00 -
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Q: You introduced micro-transactions for vanity items, but do you see that going further with the purchase of weapons, ships, better equipment that gives the player an advantage in-game?
Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: Right now it's just not something we can comment on. We've made a commitment to discuss those things with the Council of Stellar Management so me speaking out of turn would not be honouring that. Really the platform to have that dialogue is with the CSM. It's a complicated matter to define what is vanity and what is not vanity. There is a lot of vanity in society that has an impact on wider matters.
I am Starting to see why people are still nervous about this topic, despite the recent blogs and CSM releases.
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Kirkland Langue
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Posted - 2011.07.08 12:59:00 -
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By definition, MTs reduce the life-span of games. Any "business model" that allows players to accelerate the path from newly subscribed noob to bittervet will have the impact of getting them to quit sooner.
Of course you want to look at business models that are more likely to get Trial Accounts to subscribe in the first place. |
StuRyan
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Posted - 2011.07.08 13:15:00 -
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Its a great business model when one person says one thing and the CEO says another (or lack of).
Ill keep paying but as soon as you can pay for ships and **** im off. |
Valari Nala Zena
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.07.08 13:22:00 -
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If you read between the lines, the fact he is not commenting on the question whether or not game influencing items will be released in the NeX store, is proof enough for me that it will eventually happen.
That, plus paying subscription fees every month.
WoD & Dust development doesn't pay for itself you know. |
Jorhan Brimve Stahl
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Posted - 2011.07.08 13:24:00 -
[59]
Make effort to log in and read the entire piece. TL;DR: OP is a liar.
"Q: You introduced micro-transactions for vanity items, but do you see that going further with the purchase of weapons, ships, better equipment that gives the player an advantage in-game?
Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: Right now it's just not something we can comment on. We've made a commitment to discuss those things with the Council of Stellar Management so me speaking out of turn would not be honouring that. Really the platform to have that dialogue is with the CSM. It's a complicated matter to define what is vanity and what is not vanity. There is a lot of vanity in society that has an impact on wider matters. " |
Zeg Quul
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Posted - 2011.07.08 13:26:00 -
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Buying time , that's what it's all about. Milking, PR-spins and damage control continue as predicted. Some frogs will escape, other will die later.
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ISquishWorms
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Posted - 2011.07.08 13:45:00 -
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Well I (account has just 2-3 weeks max left) and a friend (whos account has already expired) were going to resub in two weeks after the CSM meeting, but after reading this I wont be and I very much doubt if my friend will be either.
I am sick of these mixed messages coming out of CCP. Do they even know what they want for this game as with these different messages it looks like they cant even agree internally on the future path of Eve.
Anyway I am out at least for now maybe I will return in the future once CCP can give us a difinitive unequivocal plain answer as to their intentions. If not so be it there are always other options and new games are hitting the market all the time.
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Valari Nala Zena
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.07.08 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jorhan Brimve Stahl Make effort to log in and read the entire piece. TL;DR: OP is a liar.
"Q: You introduced micro-transactions for vanity items, but do you see that going further with the purchase of weapons, ships, better equipment that gives the player an advantage in-game?
Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: Right now it's just not something we can comment on. We've made a commitment to discuss those things with the Council of Stellar Management so me speaking out of turn would not be honouring that. Really the platform to have that dialogue is with the CSM. It's a complicated matter to define what is vanity and what is not vanity. There is a lot of vanity in society that has an impact on wider matters. "
And what was the conclusion from the CSM meeting?
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Originally by: CCP Navigator It is CCPæs plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.
CSM member replying to quote:
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Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Of all of the questions CSM raised when we were shown the draft, the key one is the first: "Will non-vanity virtual goods be introduced?"
And I must be honest and say that CCP's steadfast refusal to answer that question is extremely disturbing
More than anything else this. I was sure where their position was but now I am "not sure". I don't really care so much about the pricing thing for dollies cause I figure if they want to charge 70 bucks rl for a monocle and somebody wants to pay that then 'heh' but no big deal cause if you don't want one you can just chuckle at those who do. That we've specifically asked for a public "we are not going to go to gold ammo for spaceships" and not received this is disturbing. This whole controversy is dumb and unnecessary and should have received a quick reassuring denial.
Unless there's something to this.
Again, they did not state they were never going to be any plans. |
Maverick2011
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.08 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: I Love Boobies Believe me, they know. They have already teamed up with NEXON, a huge free to play company, to make a localized Japanese client. So yeah, they are going to turn EVE free to play, and I think they are doing the Japanese client as a test bed to see how it works.
This. Nexon is going to teach hem the ropes of microtransactions as they are master of milking their players through MT. Its a no turn back from EVE. Its going to be P2W. My concern is if they are going free to play milking poor pvp bastards or if its going to be P2P +F2P. If its the latter then i'm out. |
Jorhan Brimve Stahl
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Posted - 2011.07.08 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jorhan Brimve Stahl on 08/07/2011 14:01:13
Originally by: Valari Nala Zena
And what was the conclusion from the CSM meeting? ... Again, they did not state they were never going to be any plans.
They didn't say that the sky wouldn't fall. Oh wait.. OH CRAP, IT'S FALLING, I KNOW FOR SURE!!11oneone
Doesn't change the fact that OP arbitrarily cut out the important part of the quote. |
Luke S
Zeta Corp.
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Posted - 2011.07.08 14:23:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Luke S on 08/07/2011 14:25:19
Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks Q: You introduced micro-transactions for vanity items, but do you see that going further with the purchase of weapons, ships, better equipment that gives the player an advantage in-game?
Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: Right now it's just not something we can comment on.
full GamesIndustry.biz interview with Hilmar
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you say one thing, yet you do another |
Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
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Posted - 2011.07.08 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jorhan Brimve Stahl
Doesn't change the fact that OP arbitrarily cut out the important part of the quote.
OP was ment to motivate people to read Hilmar's words.
Eve-search of Jorhan Brimve Stahl's forum input reveals the real meaning of arbitrarily comments. Try harder..alt of whomever.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar Matari Legion Holding Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.07.08 14:38:00 -
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I get the feeling from what Hilmar states, is that he's open to "Golden Ammo" MT for the future. |
Jorhan Brimve Stahl
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Posted - 2011.07.08 14:44:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
Originally by: Jorhan Brimve Stahl
Doesn't change the fact that OP arbitrarily cut out the important part of the quote.
OP was ment to motivate people to read Hilmar's words. Eve-search of Jorhan Brimve Stahl's forum input reveals the real meaning of arbitrarily comments. Try harder..alt of whomever.
I may be an alt, it doesn't make you less of a liar :)
"A misleading statement is one where there is no outright lie, but still retains the purpose of getting someone to believe in an untruth. "Dissembling" likewise describes the presentation of facts in a way that is literally true, but intentionally misleading."
If you insist on "motivating people to read Hilmar's words" then you failed, judging from the amount of rageposts containing your "edited" quote. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Hilmar Veigar PTtursson
"The sandbox and emergent gameplay in EVE is what makes the experience. Whatever we add to it is not meant to compromise that in any way."
Sounds fine with me. |
Tymeran
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:45:00 -
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So I went and read the interview to get the full context of the answer to that question:
Q: You introduced micro-transactions for vanity items, but do you see that going further with the purchase of weapons, ships, better equipment that gives the player an advantage in-game?
Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: Right now it's just not something we can comment on. We've made a commitment to discuss those things with the Council of Stellar Management so me speaking out of turn would not be honouring that. Really the platform to have that dialogue is with the CSM. It's a complicated matter to define what is vanity and what is not vanity. There is a lot of vanity in society that has an impact on wider matters.
After the talk of the CSM (totally reasonable), there is a LOT of nothing. It doesn't instill confidence. |
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.07.08 19:38:00 -
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He said this *after* csm supposedly went there and hammered this issue out??
Then really what was the point of sending the csm out last week?
Originally by: Luke S Edited by: Luke S on 08/07/2011 14:25:19
Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks Q: You introduced micro-transactions for vanity items, but do you see that going further with the purchase of weapons, ships, better equipment that gives the player an advantage in-game?
Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: Right now it's just not something we can comment on.
full GamesIndustry.biz interview with Hilmar
/facepalmPlease visit your user settings to re-enable images. http://static.divbyzero.nl/facepalm/doublefacepalm.jpg
you say one thing, yet you do another
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Uuali
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Posted - 2011.07.08 20:54:00 -
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Free to play means your game is fail and people aren't subbing. I'll bet anything that Blizzard isn't thinking about this.
Make a game worth playing and advertise better. The bottom line will take care of itself.
NO, a business does NOT exist to make money. A business is supposed to be in the business of making a product that sells therefore it makes them money.
CCP should be doing a better job of innovating things that work and players want. Make a game more people will enjoy. Milking money through MT is the lazy way of keeping your game afloat. Free to play means you don't have the player base to begin with.
CCP YOU HAVE THE PLAYER BASE! LISTEN!
FREE TO PLAY = FAIL!
MT BASE FOR GAME = FAIL! |
Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.08 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Valarian Blacksun its not about that you monkey, if you invested time in a good game with a strong community. You still be ****ed of if somebody ****s it over.
Its not about us whining about it, its about taking something that was ours.
Eve was our games, and ccp was the protector.
Now ccp wants to make more money so they can make crappy consol games and vampire mmos.
So they will **** up eve to oblivion, and thats a damn shame. And yes am ****ing sad about it
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its like your exwife just sold your children to a child molester in sweden.
Damn, son, wish you'd been around here earlier than July 4. Nice to see someone else whip out a few colorful, humorous and accurate metaphors/analogies. |
Zeg Quul
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Posted - 2011.07.08 21:14:00 -
[74]
Viene la tormenta
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Cancel Align NOW
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Posted - 2011.07.08 21:40:00 -
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Hilmer:
Quote: Q: You introduced micro-transactions for vanity items, but do you see that going further with the purchase of weapons, ships, better equipment that gives the player an advantage in-game? Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: Right now it's just not something we can comment on
Dev Blog released to Players:
Quote: It is CCPæs plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.
Shadow 12 months ago:
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Sijakta Ho Pakrsh
Sultanate of Rum
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Posted - 2011.07.08 21:49:00 -
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"Who does not trust enough will not be trusted"
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