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Arclightuk1972
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:06:00 -
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Hi guys.
My story of utter joy, only to be kicked in the backside by CCP...
Whist trading in Jita the other night I had a sudden injection of 800 million isk. I put this down to a complete mistake in buy orders and punched the air in delight. Went to bed happy after re-injecting the ISK into the markets.
Two days later I get an eve mail from GM Nova stating that I have bought ISK for real money, and has promptly taken the isk back from my account. WTF. Plus a nice little eve mail stating that this is against CCPs code and I could be banned. Strange, but after playing the game on and off since 2004 you would think I would know that. I wonder if they also looked into the history of my accounts and saw that I have scrapped, toiled and sold for many years increasing my balance by millions per night, to get me to a relatively healthy balance of around 3 billion. Why would I then go and buy in 800 million this week?!!
I understand the need to stop the buying of ISK, but cant they tell from accounts that mistakes in trading do happen? I have no idea how, but I wasnt about to eve mail the guy to ask. I accepted the error and celebrated. I am absolutely gutted about this and have petitioned, I wonder how that will go....
Has anyone else been falsely accuesed of buying ISK and what did you do about it?
Arclight |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Arclightuk1972 I have no idea how, but I wasnt about to eve mail the guy to ask. I accepted the error and celebrated.
Any proper trader would have put a petition in to check the isk was clean, before doing anything with insecure money. |
Matalino
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:10:00 -
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What are you concerned about?
Are you upset that the 800 mil was taken away?
Or are you concerned that you might have a mark against you that could lead to a ban if you become the victim of another mistaken RMT transaction?
Both have fairly simple solutions. |
Shadowsword
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Arclightuk1972 I have no idea how, but I wasnt about to eve mail the guy to ask. I accepted the error and celebrated.
Any proper trader would have put a petition in to check the isk was clean, before doing anything with insecure money.
Seconded.
When you get a big amount of money, the first thing you do is check it's source. And If this source is a player you've never met, doing a petition to make sure it was legit should have been prominent on your mind. |
Scarlet Tempest
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:11:00 -
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What do you deem a proper trader? Do I not qualify building up a ten million isk balance to 3 billion in about 3 months? Is that not proper enough? I worked bloo*dy hard morning and night putting in buy and sell orders in Jita, and happily accepted this injection of ISK as a bonus, did not even think it would be looked at. I didnt buy the ISK, and to say check any large injections each time one lands in your lap - are you mental? How many people do that? |
Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Arclightuk1972 I put this down to a complete mistake in buy orders and punched the air in delight. Went to bed happy after re-injecting the ISK into the markets.
So you cant account for your own isk other than to say -I made a mistake?
Sorry dude, but I would have been suspicious too. |
Scarlet Tempest
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:17:00 -
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Ok, I get what you are saying. Im not completely daft. Yes, I did try to work out how this happened, and had long discussions with my corp mates, but in absolute honestly buying in off ISK was not brought up by anyone. Ok, so you would have been suspicious. But I have to admit I would not have thought to go to CCP and say, hey, this guys given me a load of cash, can I keep it please. I put it down to a mistake. Its only now I can see that anyone outside of this scenario looks at me dubiously, but guys, I didnt buy it. In real life, if you were in a shop and someone gave you larger change than you expected would you go to the cops? I think not.... |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Scarlet Tempest What do you deem a proper trader? Do I not qualify building up a ten million isk balance to 3 billion in about 3 months? Is that not proper enough? I worked bloody hard morning and night putting in buy and sell orders in Jita, and happily accepted this injection of ISK as a bonus, did not even think it would be looked at. I didnt buy the ISK, and to say check any large injections each time one lands in your lap - are you mental? How many people do that?
First: No need to self-censor Bloody. Noob.
Secondly: This isn't something that happens "every day". Yes, you bloody well should investigate every single unexpected isk that lands in your wallet. Yes, if 100-200-300 or 800m appeared in my wallet you can be damn sure I wouldn't roll over and go "YAY ISK" i'd be like "Hey, CCP, Is this isk clean? if yes, YAY ISK, if no, Oh well"
No sane trader does what you did. You did something on the impulse adrenaline rush when you found the isk, whether that was innocent or not is for CCP to deem and if you think they've deemed it wrongly, petition them- Don't come bleeting to the forums because you were an idiot. |
claire xxx
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:20:00 -
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I've been accused many times by other players. Back in 2008-ish a player (in a corp that had declared war on my alt and his corp) allegedly filed a petition with CCP about the matter. When I found out about it CCP refused to discuss if there had/had not been a petition filed.
Nothing ever happened to me, but I have to assume that CCP went through all of my accounts/wallets.
It really ****es me off to work and work and work to make billions of Isk with my PvE/market alts, to fund my combat characters, just to have someone decide I bought to many shiny toys and file a petition. It's also irritating that CCP would not disclose if there really was a petition, and, if there was, the status of it ... or give me a chance to respond in any way.
I think players deserve a chance and should be afforded the opportunity to respond to accusations of this nature. I also feel that players that repeatedly file malicious and false accusatory petitions against other players should be punished in some form. Maybe a three day ban, with increasing length of time the more they repeat the offense, up to and including permanent bans by IP address.
~C |
Scarlet Tempest
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:24:00 -
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Firstly Claire, thanks for the post, appreciate it. Secondly Blare, why so hostile? My post finished "Has anyone else been falsely accuesed of buying ISK and what did you do about it?", im not bleating to the forums, Im asking for advice. Ok, so the few that have posted have made me realise I should have questioned the amount and spoke to CCP. Ok, I understand that now, but chill out dude. Its Friday.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 08/07/2011 15:25:07 Assuming you are posting with your main you have no contract history at all in over 3 years. That's pretty odd for a "trader".
If you're not posting with your main then do so in order that we can take a look at you.
Otherwise STFU and take it to petition.
Edit - which one of you is the main? |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:26:00 -
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Whenever receiving a billion ISK for selling an unit of ammo or something similar, ALWAYS petition to check if it was an honest user mistake or a stupid RMTer. If the former, you keep the ISK ; if the latter, you have it reversed. Anything else can lead to warnings or bans. |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Scarlet Tempest Secondly Blane, why so hostile? My post finished "Has anyone else been falsely accuesed of buying ISK and what did you do about it?", im not bleating to the forums, Im asking for advice. Ok, so the few that have posted have made me realise I should have questioned the amount and spoke to CCP. Ok, I understand that now, but chill out dude. Its Friday.
It's Blane, and I'm jsut a hostile kinda guy. |
Mylor Torlone
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Arclightuk1972 I have no idea how, but I wasnt about to eve mail the guy to ask. I accepted the error and celebrated.
Any proper trader would have put a petition in to check the isk was clean, before doing anything with insecure money.
Seconded.
When you get a big amount of money, the first thing you do is check it's source. And If this source is a player you've never met, doing a petition to make sure it was legit should have been prominent on your mind.
Why? If you're so worried about a GM improperly doing their job that you have to be suspicious, that to me seems to indicate there's something wrong with CCPs process.
Paying customers should NEVER have to petition something like this, because it simply should not happen. The fact that people claim that it should be the first thing they consider speaks volumes. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mylor Torlone Paying customers should NEVER have to petition something like this, because it simply should not happen. The fact that people claim that it should be the first thing they consider speaks volumes.
If somebody you didn't know sent you 1 bil ISK out of nowhere, what exactly would you do ? If your answer is "nothing, just use it", congrats, you could now have been officially deemed a RMT client. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 08/07/2011 15:57:03
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Othran no contract history at all in over 3 years. That's pretty odd for a "trader".
You won't see any big deal as far as contracts go for me either, and I don't consider that even a bit odd, and I'm a pretty well-known trader. You don't need contracts, market's just fine all by itself. I've barely touched contracts myself. Then again, some other traders deal almost exclusively in contracts. To each his own.
Indeed but its odd to find a "main" who purports to be primarily a trader and has never accepted or issued a public contract.
Just as its odd to find a trader that accepts 800mill as a "windfall" mmm?
Cynicism 4tw |
daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:58:00 -
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so what this thread is saying is that if I want to destroy the competition in market PVP all I have to do is have an alt account send them large sums of isk?
I find it amusing that CCP polices everyone's wallet with a microscope over RMT but major isk laundering operations like Somer never get a second look by CCP |
Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: daddys helper so what this thread is saying is that if I want to destroy the competition in market PVP all I have to do is have an alt account send them large sums of isk?
I find it amusing that CCP polices everyone's wallet with a microscope over RMT
They don't. If they did then a fair few people would be poorer IRL (allegedly).
What gets people caught is BUYING ISK. Simple as that. |
Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:06:00 -
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Look at your transaction history. Where'd the isk come from?
Show us.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:10:00 -
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The real issue here id that somebody thought he was RMTing 800 mil with a 3 bil balance.
That is utterly absurd.
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Kirkland Langue
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones The real issue here id that somebody thought he was RMTing 800 mil with a 3 bil balance.
That is utterly absurd.
why is that absurd? maybe he RMT'd for the other 3bil as well and only got caught on 800mil of it. We have no idea on the details of the situation and seriously - if he is innocent, just shrug it off.
It isn't as though people regularly, mistakenly, dump 800 mil into people's wallets.. and even if that incredibly rare event were to happen to the OP again - he knows what to do about it: petition before spending. |
Mr Crackaluffagus
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:15:00 -
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Three months of "hard work" to make 3 billion = doing eve wrong. |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher Jones on 08/07/2011 16:21:11
Originally by: Kirkland Langue
Originally by: Cipher Jones The real issue here id that somebody thought he was RMTing 800 mil with a 3 bil balance.
That is utterly absurd.
why is that absurd? maybe he RMT'd for the other 3bil as well and only got caught on 800mil of it. We have no idea on the details of the situation and seriously - if he is innocent, just shrug it off.
It isn't as though people regularly, mistakenly, dump 800 mil into people's wallets.. and even if that incredibly rare event were to happen to the OP again - he knows what to do about it: petition before spending.
If he RMT'd the other money they would have taken it also as per their policy. They didn't even think he did. |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones The real issue here id that somebody thought he was RMTing 800 mil with a 3 bil balance.
That is utterly absurd.
Not strange at all since 3 bil isn't really that big of a balance. What I think is absurd though is that people keep telling CCP to work harder on shutting down RMT, but when they do, they get shat on aswell.
Anyway if the OP is indeed innocent it's unfortunate, but I can totally see why it would look suspicious. |
Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Arclightuk1972 I have no idea how, but I wasnt about to eve mail the guy to ask. I accepted the error and celebrated.
Any proper trader would have put a petition in to check the isk was clean, before doing anything with insecure money.
Seconded.
When you get a big amount of money, the first thing you do is check it's source. And If this source is a player you've never met, doing a petition to make sure it was legit should have been prominent on your mind.
Thirded.
Count yourself lucky you didn't get banned. |
Alotta Baggage
Amarr Coarition of Poorry Stereotyped Asian Peopre
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:32:00 -
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Surery no one in Eve buys isk, then transfers it to a person and then petitions it. At reast that's not something I'd do to break apart a corp I hate. |
Fistme
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:54:00 -
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wow this thread truly shows how fed up some eve players are, and i'm not talking about the op. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2011.07.08 17:03:00 -
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Personally I would be ****ed off about the warning but if the isk was traced back to an isk seller then having it taken away is to be expected.
I am slightly surprised that so many people claim they would petition it though. I know at least one person who has made about 200bil by selling over-priced rifters and I've never heard him talk about petitioning each sale. Equally, I've sent over a billion isk to the wrong accounts on two occassions when paying out investors with stupid names that I misspelt. Given that the number of accidental transactions from legitimate sources will presumably outnumber the accidental RMT transactions by the same proportion that deliberate legit transactions outnumber deliberate RMT transaction, i.e. but a VERY large amount, it seems perfectly reasonable to assume a legit source rather than a dodgy one.
The real problem in cases like this is that there appears to be absolutely no way of establishing one's innocence other than petitioning any transaction that is unusual. And as someone said above, legit players shouldn't really have to do that although I can see it being a necessity if CCP are this merciless on the issue. |
NoNah
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Posted - 2011.07.08 17:04:00 -
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Quote: Whist trading in Jita the other night I had a sudden injection of 800 million isk. I put this down to a complete mistake in buy orders and punched the air in delight. Went to bed happy after re-injecting the ISK into the markets.
No, he didn't have a 3b wallet, he had a 3b NAV. Huge difference. And buying 800m would in that case not be so farfetched, at it would mean a 25% injection into his nav, which for a young trader should mean +25% income. |
Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.07.08 17:40:00 -
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Petition for an apology for the accusation of RMT. |
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