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Daisy Domi
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Posted - 2011.07.12 06:00:00 -
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We already know that the vanity items will not be destroyed if a pilot is podded, as CCP want to safeguard items bought with real money.
So, following on from that, what about things like the Gold Scorpion? Does it magically appear back in the hanger to protect the players real life money investment?
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Babar Baboli
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.12 06:03:00 -
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They already said that there won't be any "gold" ships or "gold" ammo? That makes your question irrelevant.
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.07.12 06:34:00 -
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You, sir, is mistaken. The word "gold ammo" refers to an item that gives an unfair advantage, this will not be put into the game in another 18 months, maybe longer. The word "gold scorpion", however, refers to the Ishukone Issue Scorpion witch will be a buck standard scorpion as far as performance is conserned, it will however have a different logo on the "wing". Something I am sure at least 5 players will pay hundereds of US$ for. This is a vanity item that will appear in game as soon as SOE/CCP has fixed the issue with the NeX not currently accepting trade-ins. So the question remain, will we be able to suicide gank Ishukone Issue Scorpion or will the sandbox be further deteriorated to protect the Barbie Online players?
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AnzacPaul
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.12 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera So the question remain, will we be able to suicide gank Ishukone Issue Scorpion or will the sandbox be further deteriorated to protect the Barbie Online players?
CCP makes nex stuff indestructible because the taste of vanity tears is too good.
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Neqa'el Uphir
Amarr PORTAL KOMBAT
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Posted - 2011.07.12 11:21:00 -
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No, they said they have "no plans", not that they wont do it. Then again they had a plan to release WALKING in STATIONS, and look how that turned out - SITTING in a ROOM.
Also, the DOOR. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iu4iekX3WE
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Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.12 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Neqa'el Uphir No, they said they have "no plans", not that they wont do it.
A year ago they said they wouldnt introduce MT's period. And the wheel spins.
They do seem to be caught between a frying pan and a fire here though. Indestructible monocles are already starting to gather some heat on the forums and I personally would like to hear a lore acceptable rationale for my expensive slaves turning to deep fried chips while the brass anus/monobrow combo is indestructible.
If $1000 japanese jeans were destructible while worn, people would probably only buy a handful which hurts their sales. On the other hand the people who like to keep a bottle of freshly extracted tears by the computer to suckle on quite rightly want a chance to destroy these. Just like everything else player owned in space is destructible.
I sense a schism and a lot of rabble rabble rabble coming on these forums if indestructible vanity spills over onto ships.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.07.12 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Babar Baboli They already said that there won't be any "gold" ships or "gold" ammo? That makes your question irrelevant.
CCP's word is trivial at best. However, something Zinfandel said during the tourney and that is much of a sticking point for me is: Quote: If you're going to be sitting in a hulk in front of this thing, then it's going to be deadly. So, functionally, it's the same as the original Scorpion.
I can't help but think that all combat ships are functionally the same when their functionality is stated as "deadly". Unfortunately, if you're in a Thorax, you're not exactly going to feel the same as say a Tengu that just showed up on your doorstep to kill you. However, if you were in a hulk, in both cases, functionally, the Thorax or the Tengu would be the same. You're going to be dead.
With the $10,000 price that may or may not be real, but assuming it is and that's it's destructible, then the ship becomes nothing more than a trophy like any unique and limited item such as the Guardian Vexor. The downside is that the Guardian Vexor has certain attributes that make it an attractive collector's item, the least of which is its paint job. More attractive are its characteristic traits. Given the rarity of the ship and its potential to be ganked those characteristics are effectively nullified since more cannot be purchased at any price.
How does this affect the Ishukone Watch Scorpion (IWS)? Well, more can be purchased. And some people think throwing $100,000 at this game is a good investment. I just hope that CCP doesn't intend this game to become a griefing ground for the uber rich.
Will the IWS be the same as a regular Scorpion? For $10,000, I suspect that functionally, it will be the same. Characteristically, I seriously doubt it. Let's just hope that for the price it doesn't turn out to be God Mode Scorpion that is invulnerable.
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Cpt Greagor
Caldari Liquid Relief
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Posted - 2011.07.12 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Babar Baboli They already said that there won't be any "gold" ships or "gold" ammo? That makes your question irrelevant.
"gold" ships and "gold ships" are two different things. Duh.
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Neqa'el Uphir
Amarr PORTAL KOMBAT
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Posted - 2011.07.12 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: Neqa''el Uphir on 12/07/2011 12:05:46 CCP are where they put themselves through sheer incompetence and arrogance. A very nasty mix. So they shouldn't act surprised at this point.
I do want GOLD on my GOLD SHIPS, good point there..
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Tsukimaru
Amarr 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.07.12 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Neqa'el Uphir Edited by: Neqa''el Uphir on 12/07/2011 12:05:46 CCP are where they put themselves through sheer incompetence and arrogance. A very nasty mix. So they shouldn't act surprised at this point.
I do want GOLD on my GOLD SHIPS, good point there..
That's going to absolutely murder your agility score.
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Neqa'el Uphir
Amarr PORTAL KOMBAT
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Posted - 2011.07.12 12:42:00 -
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Yes, but it is going to be FABULOUS!
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Daisy Domi
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Posted - 2011.07.12 16:14:00 -
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But it a 'vanity' item, such as the gold scorpion, is going to cost a huge some of money/isk to purchase (way more than the monocle), who would buy one to have it blown up in space within the first day/hour?
It would seem that CCP have made the precedent to allow NeX items to be indestructible, which, following the current design and CCP logic, would mean that the Gold Scorpion would somehow re-materialise after it was blown up.
Otherwise, it will never be flown, or we are going to have to HUGE tears flowing when they are suicide ganked!
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Cpt Greagor
Caldari Liquid Relief
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Posted - 2011.07.12 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Daisy Domi But it a 'vanity' item, such as the gold scorpion, is going to cost a huge some of money/isk to purchase (way more than the monocle), who would buy one to have it blown up in space within the first day/hour?
It would seem that CCP have made the precedent to allow NeX items to be indestructible, which, following the current design and CCP logic, would mean that the Gold Scorpion would somehow re-materialise after it was blown up.
Otherwise, it will never be flown, or we are going to have to HUGE tears flowing when they are suicide ganked!
Glorious golden tears.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.07.12 16:25:00 -
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Here's a quote from this thread:
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Originally by: Razin Will the custom paint job be listed in the killmail?
In effect, we trade your original ship for a new one. Yes, it is functionally identical, but it will have a new name, new descriptive text, a new item ID, a new market ID, and a new appearance.
So, yes.
And if you go to sell it in the marketplace, it will show up in the system under a different listing.
I guess those were the plans at the time. Make of it what you will. ... Return the Old Hangar Back... for Immersion.
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Khira Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2011.07.12 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu on 12/07/2011 16:27:03
Unless the are destructible it will be stupid to add them to the game. Because if all I have to do is buy a golden Scorpion and never have to worry about replacing it with another Scorpion that is a huge win for me. You'd never have to buy another ship of that type again save yourself ISK. In the meantime, sellers for player made ships start dropping - why? Because everyone is in their indestructible ship. Even if it is destroyed...who cares, no loss, it'll just regen in my hanger.
I hope CCP actually thought this through thoroughly and realize the implications of adding indestructible ships. If they didn't, then this game is going to be a mess once they start adding them into the game.
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Mr Trit
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Posted - 2011.07.12 16:36:00 -
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I think that the gold thing will be a paint pattern that can be applied to any Scorpion you own. Thereby indestructible, and at the same time not necessarily game breaking in that you always have a scorp lying around.
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Khira Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2011.07.12 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Trit I think that the gold thing will be a paint pattern that can be applied to any Scorpion you own. Thereby indestructible, and at the same time not necessarily game breaking in that you always have a scorp lying around.
That would be cool and acceptable. Just buy a skin that you apply is fine by me. Buying a whole ship though?
That is, I am certain, where I might have to draw the line. Please ensure your signature is within the allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24,000 bytes. Navigator |
Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Trit I think that the gold thing will be a paint pattern that can be applied to any Scorpion you own. Thereby indestructible, and at the same time not necessarily game breaking in that you always have a scorp lying around.
If you mean the "paint job" is like an item in your hanger that you can mount on any one scorpion, and that "paint job" item stayed/reappeared in your hanger after ship destruction, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with that.
I don't expect that however, I expect that you will have a single ship done in a paint job and that it is destructable just like any other ship.
Ships always have been destructable, including highly limited varieties. It would be game breakingly ignorant to make them indestructable... obviously exploitable.
Clothing is it's own new, weird little world and (so far) operates by a different rule set.
To believe they will sell indestructible ships is, to put it kindly, a bit of a stretch.
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Heroltior Ghedonia
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:19:00 -
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Question... if the "Gold Scorpion" as a vanity item is indestructible, wouldn't that make it an unfair advantage in PVP. Your enemy no go "pop" therefor, you will first.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Babar Baboli They already said that there won't be any "gold" ships or "gold" ammo? That makes your question irrelevant.
They also said there would be no MT.
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:20:00 -
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op, you are an idiot and an obvious troll.
To all the other idiots who never bothered to watch the alliance tournament or read anything.
It's not a custom ship, its a custom ship skin, and if you undock the damn thing, it is subject to destruction and you are subject to being mocked for buying it and flying it. And no it wont be replaced, no it wont be sitting in your hanger after it goes boom. IT'S GONE and you are out rl cash.
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Cpt Greagor
Caldari Liquid Relief
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Heroltior Ghedonia Question... if the "Gold Scorpion" as a vanity item is indestructible, wouldn't that make it an unfair advantage in PVP. Your enemy no go "pop" therefor, you will first.
If it were going to be "indestructible" there are only two ways I could see it working.
1- Buy Scorpion -- Buy Skin -- Put skin on Scorp -- ???? -- And suddenly you're suicide ganked -- Skin respawns in hangar -- You buy new Scorp -- Rinse, Repeat
2- You buy a Golden Scorp (Completely new item) -- And suddenly you're suicide ganked -- Ship respawns in hangar -- You just got a new scorpion free of charge (P.S. - SOE (CCP) Use method one, method two is game breaking.)
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Daisy Domi
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:27:00 -
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Not trolling, but following a progression of thought.
I fully hope that it is destructible, but the initial NeX items are created indestructible, so I was wondering how other items would be effected.
Especially if these items are going to far more expensive to purchase. I can't see CCP selling many if they just get destroyed as soon as they hit space, and CCP, I presume, would like to sell as many as possible to increase profits.
As such, they need to make the item more appealing to purchase, so I am presuming that 'something' is going to be permanent. Maybe a free paint job every time you purchase the ship and go to the paint shop?
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edith prickley
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Trit I think that the gold thing will be a paint pattern that can be applied to any Scorpion you own. Thereby indestructible, and at the same time not necessarily game breaking in that you always have a scorp lying around.
If you have two scorpions, would you be able to paint both of them with this paint device?
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Cpt Greagor
Caldari Liquid Relief
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:37:00 -
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Here is an idea that doesn't break any "indestructible item" logic and still makes CCP money to pump into world of twilight.
Create a paint shop, allow a one time paint job to be purchased for a high, but not insane amount of isk maybe 50-100 mil depending on ship/paint.
Also allow all the same paint jobs to be purchased with AUR to be bought forever, meaning that after you bought them with AUR you could put them on your ships every time you get a new one free of any further charges.
At first you'd make less money because people would just buy the one time deal with isk, but as they lost their ship and/or wanted it on more ships, they would switch to AUR so they don't have to keep channeling their isk into it.
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Digital Messiah
Oregami Ultd
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:38:00 -
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How is it that you guys can play telephone even though you hear the start to the finish line?
1.Hey what if there is a gold scorpion. 2.Woah that would be such a stupid investment no one could afford that. 3.No to gold scorpions we don't like this idea CCP. 4.Ragggggeeeee!!!!! OMG they are making gold scorpions?! 5.Gold scorpions will be indestructible!!!!!!!!!!!! 6.I quit this game, even though I will be back when I found out I am just terrible at telephone.
I had originally thought you guys were smarter than this. And the fact that the example of what the CSM had even thought, was a ridiculous amount, is being taken out of context... Well I am almost speechless.
Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Drone 613
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:39:00 -
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I think the way NEX ship stuff should work is every ship from Titans to frigates should have minimum 3 optional skins or models. You buy the skin/model and from there on in you have to option for that ship to appear as such. Stat wise it's identical to the existing ship, it just looks different. This way CCP could put a fresh face on eve with optional vanity content and give those players interested a bit of choice. Variants should be available on an account basis not a character basis.
You could even hold community contests to design new ship hulls for existing ships, special hulls for in game even participation, expansion launches, and so on. Revenue could help fund more EVE and "other" development and increase community participation.
Of course this would all fall apart if they go price crazy instead of making each variant hull like 5 bucks max. Anyway, just my thought.
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Kiran
Minmatar Knights of Azrael
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:40:00 -
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Yes it will be.
CCP want you to be able to swap a scropion for a NPC corp scorpion, but it has no extra bonus to it just a shiny paint job and a few decals. Other than that it will be a normal scorpion. But like alot of shiny things will be the target of many players.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:41:00 -
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Quote: IT'S GONE and you are out rl cash.
LOL, highly doubtful. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:43:00 -
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What they fail to state is that when you buy said $10k scorpion, it is placed in every station in Eve for you. If you lose one, the station without one automatigically receives a new one too! _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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