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Gheeeed
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Posted - 2011.07.12 07:59:00 -
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Is it possible for a Hawk to beat a Rapier, assuming sensible PvP fits and competent skilled pilots?
Is a standard launcher Hawk better in general than a rocket Hawk vs a Rapier that keeps you at range with webs?
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.07.12 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gheeeed Is it possible for a Hawk to beat a Rapier, assuming sensible PvP fits and competent skilled pilots?
Is a standard launcher Hawk better in general than a rocket Hawk vs a Rapier that keeps you at range with webs?
Is this a serious question or do you just not understand how far a rapier can web out to --------------------
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.07.12 08:05:00 -
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Anything is possible. I almost killed a Rapier with a Vengence once... got it down to half armor before it escaped. Only reason this happened was because the damn thing had me double-webbed while I just had a scram on it. _______________________
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Stella Villana
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.12 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gheeeed Is it possible for a Hawk to beat a Rapier, assuming sensible PvP fits and competent skilled pilots?
Is a standard launcher Hawk better in general than a rocket Hawk vs a Rapier that keeps you at range with webs?
Yes, it is possible but only if the Rapier has no drones or turrets mounted.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.07.12 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gheeeed Is it possible for a Hawk to beat a Rapier, assuming sensible PvP fits and competent skilled pilots?
Is a standard launcher Hawk better in general than a rocket Hawk vs a Rapier that keeps you at range with webs?
no not really no, the rapier is effectivly the perfect counter to a hawk. Unless you kite at the edge of standard launcher range i doubt you will even be able to make it disengage, any other senario i can think of will result in a dead Hawk or i hawk running away - Nulla Curas |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.07.12 12:00:00 -
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Start engagement in scram range and kill him. In the time he gets lock you will be in close orbit. Take out drones first while orbiting with oh ab and then lol at his incompetence while eating his buffer with rockets.
Both mse and active fits should be able to do it without much issues after landing scram since rapiers usually dont use neut or ecm drones. If you are active tank, you can control incoming damage so he thinks he has a chance and wont call for help.
If you cant start fight in scram range, just keep warping to obvious celestials and wait till he lands at 0. Dont try to approach him when he lands at 20k.
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Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.12 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Start engagement in scram range and kill him. In the time he gets lock you will be in close orbit. Take out drones first while orbiting with oh ab and then lol at his incompetence while eating his buffer with rockets.
Both mse and active fits should be able to do it without much issues after landing scram since rapiers usually dont use neut or ecm drones. If you are active tank, you can control incoming damage so he thinks he has a chance and wont call for help.
If you cant start fight in scram range, just keep warping to obvious celestials and wait till he lands at 0. Dont try to approach him when he lands at 20k.
This all assumes the Rapier pilot is a complete Moron... Sadly, they are out there. -----
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.07.12 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Start engagement in scram range and kill him. In the time he gets lock you will be in close orbit. Take out drones first while orbiting with oh ab and then lol at his incompetence while eating his buffer with rockets.
Both mse and active fits should be able to do it without much issues after landing scram since rapiers usually dont use neut or ecm drones. If you are active tank, you can control incoming damage so he thinks he has a chance and wont call for help.
If you cant start fight in scram range, just keep warping to obvious celestials and wait till he lands at 0. Dont try to approach him when he lands at 20k.
Two webs and you're slower than him. He simply drifts out of scram range and suddenly you're a dead frigate. --------------------
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.07.12 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Lugalzagezi666 on 12/07/2011 18:49:38 Not necessarily. Many rapier pilots will underestimate frig and give it a try even if fight is starting in scram range - if they cant get a fight otherwise.
Well, maybe its sign of ****ty recon pilot, but fact is, that with such advantage good af pilot can defeat rapier pretty comfortably and its frig pilot who decides to fight or leave, not rapier pilot.
Originally by: Loraine Gess Two webs and you're slower than him. He simply drifts out of scram range and suddenly you're a dead frigate.
Do your own research if you dont believe me, but you are wrong.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.07.12 19:06:00 -
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If Hawk has a web, you might be able to hold him and also pull enough transversal to avoid turret damage while dispatching his drones, with a decent amount of luck.
If you dont have a web, doublewebbed you are slower than a properly fit Rapier that is scrammed, so you will deal with turret and drone damage, i.e. you are toast.
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im'ba
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Posted - 2011.07.12 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Edited by: Lugalzagezi666 on 12/07/2011 18:49:38 Not necessarily. Many rapier pilots will underestimate frig and give it a try even if fight is starting in scram range - if they cant get a fight otherwise.
Well, maybe its sign of ****ty recon pilot, but fact is, that with such advantage good af pilot can defeat rapier pretty comfortably and its frig pilot who decides to fight or leave, not rapier pilot.
Originally by: Loraine Gess Two webs and you're slower than him. He simply drifts out of scram range and suddenly you're a dead frigate.
Do your own research if you dont believe me, but you are wrong.
This is true, also whats true is that 80% of eves rapier pilots fitt 650 artys and if you land a scram+web on that rapier the hawk will be faster by a few ms wich means that by easily poping the 5 small drones first makes it a easypeasy kill. Artys wont track below 7km and even if they do it will be whit such a small amount of dmg per volley its a go cry**** for the rapier pilot :)
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Beat General
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Posted - 2011.07.12 19:26:00 -
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A ship better suited to killing a rapier would be a nightmare.
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im'ba
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Posted - 2011.07.12 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Beat General A ship better suited to killing a rapier would be a nightmare.
you mean a titan like everyone has safed up right?
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.07.12 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Edited by: Lugalzagezi666 on 12/07/2011 18:49:38 Not necessarily. Many rapier pilots will underestimate frig and give it a try even if fight is starting in scram range - if they cant get a fight otherwise.
Well, maybe its sign of ****ty recon pilot, but fact is, that with such advantage good af pilot can defeat rapier pretty comfortably and its frig pilot who decides to fight or leave, not rapier pilot.
Originally by: Loraine Gess Two webs and you're slower than him. He simply drifts out of scram range and suddenly you're a dead frigate.
Do your own research if you dont believe me, but you are wrong.
I did do my research. Perhaps you should do your research, instead?
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.07.12 20:39:00 -
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Only if hawk had enough mids to fit ab, mse/sb, scram and web. Oh wait...
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.07.12 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Only if hawk had enough mids to fit ab, mse/sb, scram and web. Oh wait...
I apologize if you ****fit your PVP ships, but the rest of us use the ship's bonuses. --------------------
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.07.12 22:09:00 -
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Confirming that fitting web to rocket frig is ****fitting.
Go troll elsewhere noob, you already proved your incompetence in this thread.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.07.12 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 12/07/2011 22:14:57
Originally by: Loraine Gess
I apologize if you ****fit your PVP ships, but the rest of us use the ship's bonuses.
To be fair, fitting afterburner on frigates typically means it is a dueling fit. Those tend to revolve around the range control game against a single hostile frig, not really uncommon to see webs there.
Obviously, how that frig will get into scram range of a Rapier is kind of a mystery. But lets just assume the Rapier already screwed up I guess.
Edit: webs, not afterburners... duh
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Beat General
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Posted - 2011.07.12 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Confirming that fitting web to rocket frig is ****fitting.
Go troll elsewhere noob, you already proved your incompetence in this thread.
the only troll here is you
-general levy
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BearJews
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Posted - 2011.07.12 23:33:00 -
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so from what i'm gathering here, should i fit my hawk with an active shield booster? Or go for passive? MWD or AB?
Currectly i have it fitted with a gisti b-type and gisti b after burner. (gisti bastard fit from battleclinic).
oh and in null sec
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Soldarius
Caldari Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.07.13 00:53:00 -
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You really need to get under the guns of the Rapier or he will eat you alive. His range-bonused webs will make it all but impossible for you to even get in range of rockets unless you warp right on top of him.
Once you're in range and orbiting under AB and have him scramed, you should be able to win.
Originally by: Krutoj You dont have a supercapital? buy PLEX trade it for ISK, buy supers. Just like any other mmo you can use your RL to pimp your character out (or tank for that matter).
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army B A N E
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Posted - 2011.07.13 14:36:00 -
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Snuffbox lost a Rapier to two Frigs, so anything is possible. Go fight a Snuffbox rapier and you'll do fine.
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Beat General
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Posted - 2011.07.13 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jude Lloyd Snuffbox lost a Rapier to two Frigs, so anything is possible. Go fight a Snuffbox rapier and you'll do fine.
you forgot to mention that those guys are mega noobs
-general levy
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Princess Nexxala
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.13 18:37:00 -
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Killed one in a daredevil before, wasn't easy in the least. DIAF to his buddy in vaga that landed right before he popped tho :(
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.07.13 18:52:00 -
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If you start at point blank range and have web+scram, yes very easy. Give him the chance to dictate range/speed and you die.
Just get rid of drones ASAP and you should be fine .. only one in 100 Rapiers have autos and artillery can't hit anything close in.
PS: Rocarion did it in a Hookbill of all things if I recall.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.07.13 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
PS: Rocarion did it in a Hookbill of all things if I recall.
Of all the things? The Hookbill is one of the most powerful frigates in the game.
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army B A N E
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Posted - 2011.07.13 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
PS: Rocarion did it in a Hookbill of all things if I recall.
Of all the things? The Hookbill is one of the most powerful frigates in the game.
Confirmed.
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Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.07.14 16:21:00 -
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Assuming competent pilots on both sides, the Hawk will probably die if it can't get out asap. --- Drykor - AHARM |
Zyress
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Posted - 2011.07.15 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Zyress on 15/07/2011 19:47:24 I killed a Rapier in a mission fit drake when he caught me coming through a gate right after his corp decced my corp. Didn't even have a point, he attacked, I threw my drones on him and fired up the missiles and he died in about 6 volleys. That was my first solo kill.
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Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.07.16 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zyress Edited by: Zyress on 15/07/2011 19:47:24 I killed a Rapier in a mission fit drake when he caught me coming through a gate right after his corp decced my corp. Didn't even have a point, he attacked, I threw my drones on him and fired up the missiles and he died in about 6 volleys. That was my first solo kill.
Cool story bro. But what does this have to do with the topic? A rapier is very vulnerable to long range missile ships. --- Drykor - AHARM |
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