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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.10.11 15:07:00 -
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Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Melina Lin wrote:Sergi Arro wrote:A 20% damage reduction is pretty significant. Yes it is and they will nerf the T3 hull too. They will nerf it hard. Quoting CCP Ytterbium: " Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line." Entertaining times ahead. Yes, but my concern is if they're nerfing them to the point that they're not really worth their high cost anymore. I don't get CCP's recent push to homogenize everything. It's okay to have a "better" ship that costs millions of ISK to fit properly. Not everything needs to be the same.
Right....... so people flying tengus for missions, tengus for ratting, tengus for exploration, tengus for wormholes, tengus for solo pvp (100mn esp), tengus for sig tanking pvp (thunderbirds), tengus for buffer fit pvp, usually all with the same weapon system and often even with the same subs/mods is not homogenisation?
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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
165
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Posted - 2012.10.12 00:29:00 -
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I'm quite enjoying how people can't decide whether HM's are used more in PvE or PvP.
Back and forth posts whether this is a nerf to pvp blobs, or pve afk isk farmers. |
Lugia3
Shydow Imperium
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Posted - 2012.10.14 23:08:00 -
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I'll be happy that Tengu's won't be able to blap battleships anymore. Will sell wallet space for ISK. |
Ceptia Cyna
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.14 23:49:00 -
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I will just stop paying my account. No Rage just Reaction. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.10.15 01:41:00 -
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This might be really stupid, but how was a finishing missions in a sub 400 DPS rattle, in 30 min average while the tears are flowing over a drop to 720 DPS from 800?
Cant even kill an elite cruiser? are you guys effing serious?
This has got to be the most childish reaction iv seen since iv bin playing. |
Xavier Poljus
Knights Of The Iron Cross
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Posted - 2012.10.15 12:53:00 -
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ok after reading about this nurf i have to say wasy to go ccp. Effectivly your are targeting 2 ships in this game with the Drake and Tengu. I mean its not like evryone who flys thes ships has spent 3 months training time and at least 2 billion in fittings for the ships. in all hounsty i have to aske ccp for a refund of the time i have spent, and the time i will have to spend on retraining and refitting a new set of ships now that this nerf is going to happen. Im sorry if i seem angry but in the real world they dont nerf rich peoples income or collage students curiculem because some under privliaged kids did get ther shoot. |
Lord Calus
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.10.15 20:25:00 -
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Train Gila. Drop sentries. Orbit a sentry. Come back and have bacon. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2012.10.15 20:48:00 -
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Xavier Poljus wrote:ok after reading about this nurf i have to say wasy to go ccp. Effectivly your are targeting 2 ships in this game with the Drake and Tengu. I mean its not like evryone who flys thes ships has spent 3 months training time and at least 2 billion in fittings for the ships. in all hounsty i have to aske ccp for a refund of the time i have spent, and the time i will have to spend on retraining and refitting a new set of ships now that this nerf is going to happen.
So? You can still fly a Tengu, and it will still be highly effective at what it does best. It just won't be quite as effective, meaning that there might actually be better choices out there. But it's not as if Tengus are being removed as viable options; that would be absurd. It's just that they are no longer always the best option.
Xavier Poljus wrote:Im sorry if i seem angry but in the real world they dont nerf rich peoples income or collage students curiculem because some under privliaged kids did get ther shoot.
Actually, this is in fact how much of the world works. Not that it's a relevant comparison in the first place, mind. |
Jack Togenada
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.15 21:19:00 -
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I finally got to start flying my tengu yesterday. It's beyond awesome. The speed alone is worth the price of admission. It's also really nice not having to micro manage drones with eve's horrible drone control panel. |
octahexx Charante
Morior Invictus. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2012.10.16 13:09:00 -
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for nullsec tengu will be useless,you dont wanna have to struggle with elite scram web frigs with them coming with every wave while a red can enter local at any time. most of the trolling ppl on the forums obviously dont actually use the tengu..reaload time and missile travel time adds enough of slow pace as it is,the upcoming nerfs hits the pain barrier.
just start skilling gunnery is my advice. drones will be targeted by new npc AI..im note sure is this is aimed at carriers with sentry drones but it will hit gallente pretty hard that just leaves you 2 races and depending on where you live in eve just go for the race with the best bonus.
once gunnery support skills are up its easy to swap what turret system you use,missiles on the other hand is a toatlly wasted skill tree.
It strikes me as a nerf in whole towards iskmaking more or less...since i dont work at ccp there is no way to see what the goal is but it why would anyone play a game where the grind becomes to horrible?
If this is supposed to be a pvp game as ccp claims why drag out the grinding part more and more?
Skill gunnery! |
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OldWolf69
GRIM MARCH SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.16 13:28:00 -
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Melina Lin wrote:Sergi Arro wrote:A 20% damage reduction is pretty significant. Yes it is and they will nerf the T3 hull too. They will nerf it hard. Quoting CCP Ytterbium: " Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line." Entertaining times ahead. Why not a single ship for every Race in game? And a single weapon? Kills doable only by treason and awox? Then there will be all in " the Line" of CCP Ytterbium. And Eve will die. Why would someone play and pay for a game wich has all the awesome things remowed? Why would a Machariel exist, if there's a much weaker Bantam, wich makes the famous pirate bs seem to be "out of line"? Why would be there a Sandbox if we can have a line? *** CCP Ytterbium, i love you. You and all the wonderfull straigt Nerds wich make this game more awesome as it ever was. |
Attlo
The Archaeus Initiative
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Posted - 2012.10.18 03:20:00 -
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Although HML's do require some sort of change it really does seem that the same idiot that thought up the new unified inventory is working on these changes.
For me just means months of training wasted and have to start all over again.
Also seems CCP is turning into a company that just doesn't bother listening to its clients which is a real shame since it is one great game. |
Charlie Jacobson
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Posted - 2012.10.21 17:37:00 -
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I was already sick of the travel time on missiles. This nerf is just the nudge I needed to start switching to projectiles or sentry drones. I'm quite clueless and bad, so I'm sure my fits will end up being terrible, but I'm thinking of switching to either Dominix or Maelstrom for L4s in the not-too-distant future. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
369
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Posted - 2012.10.22 04:26:00 -
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BearJews wrote:I really don't understand the need to nerf Heavy Missiles. That system just BLOWs when you aint blobbing in Pvp.
Nulltrash and their wannabes cried about getting blobbed by other nulltrash's Drake fleets.
CCP is embracing a new paradigm of listening to whinge-babies.
EVE gets just that bit dumber and easier so they can ***** more subs from the theme park crowd.
Fullstop, end-of, nothing more to see here. Stealth Bomber bombs and covert-bridging in hisec naow, please: It's the only way to make sure! |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.22 06:44:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:BearJews wrote:I really don't understand the need to nerf Heavy Missiles. That system just BLOWs when you aint blobbing in Pvp. Nulltrash and their wannabes cried about getting blobbed by other nulltrash's Drake fleets. CCP is embracing a new paradigm of listening to whinge-babies. EVE gets just that bit dumber and easier so they can ***** more subs from the theme park crowd. Fullstop, end-of, nothing more to see here.
Actually what happened is that CCP took a look at usage stats and saw that Drake and Tengu are the most used ships in both PVP and PVE by a massive margin, took a look at reasons why, and saw that heavy missiles had 20% more dps than other medium-size long range weapons and wanted to balance them, but crybaby carebears and Drakeblobbers started a whinestorm and threatened to unsub, which forced CCP to water down their balancing efforts, leaving heavy missiles still overpowered.
Drakeblobbers and whining carebears didn't notice the other missile buffs, because they don't have a faintest idea how numbers or this game works, they just want to drool, press F1 and receive bacon in the exact fit they got from their FC or copied from Battleclinic.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Klaus Hammilton
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.24 19:21:00 -
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Actually if you take a look at the buffs those are mostly pointless, a bit boost to hitting smaller targets? With my tengu on main I have explosion radius reduced by 90% through rigs implants and skills, this ultimately puts exp radius of the scourge fury to 21m in other words would hit even smallest immobile ship for full damage, only problem there is the fast moving frigs that go down in 3-4 salvo-s, that's it for everything bigger than elite frig in pve you apply full damage, if you take a look now at HAM-s you cannot reduce exp radius with rigs nor reduce the velocity fact of the ships through the same methods, this means that you have to put at least 2tp-s and a weber to be able to apply dps to elite ships smaller than BC.
As a result I think that Tengu HAM with extended range and 100MN fit will replace the current tengu, but pve tengu will just vanish. The 2bil fit is just not worth that 500dps. Since Sleeper stuff is used to build t3 hulls it will probably hit WH ppl from financial side as well.
Probably there will be larger sale for cruise fitted golems with a single TP, it should be able to hit even frigs just as well as HM-s do now.
As for my self If even hull gets nerfed I just put away tengu and get much with AC probably. Or see how difficult it is to do lvl 4s with 800dps rattlesnake (which by the way is well under 1 bil including fit and rigs) |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2012.11.24 19:58:00 -
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Well the drake takes a double hit if the new AI has rats attacking light drones. Tengu not so much its fast and can move into short range fast. |
Klaus Hammilton
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.24 22:17:00 -
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In my opinion Drake was never a good pve ship, it has superb tank but dps was always too low for me now its just a brick I guess. |
Gal'o Sengen
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:00:00 -
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Wait, so even after the nerf they still have the best damage, best range, easiest fitting, cost no Cap and don't suffer from tracking issues nearly as bad as the next best Medium sized Long Range weapons systems? On top of there being so many Missile ships with amazing bonuses?
Wow, i never realized how strong Heavies were. |
Krom Thomson
Dark Neutron Star Zombie Mayhem
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:46:00 -
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Gal'o Sengen wrote:Wait, so even after the nerf they still have the best damage, best range, easiest fitting, cost no Cap and don't suffer from tracking issues nearly as bad as the next best Medium sized Long Range weapons systems? On top of there being so many Missile ships with amazing bonuses? Wow, i never realized how strong Heavies were. well now they get no rang no dps and can't be use for **** well 10 months of eve down the shitter |
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