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Frank Truck
ACME Mineral and Gas
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Posted - 2011.07.15 17:00:00 -
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I recruited a friend, he was in Jita and his comment was, "wth is this, keylogger central?".
At first I tried to defend it, but to be honest, I could not come up with words to defend a lot of those scams that have nothing to do with the game.
After a while I realized he is right, this game does have a keylogger feel, not that it is any different than say UO was, but 13 years have passed since UO came out, the net is different, it is not as shinny new, it has a "keylogger/hacker/scammer" element no one wants anything to do with and I don't think it helps EVE to have that kind of feel.
I'm begining to think some of this scamming is "taking a good thing" too far, especially those which have no combat are are pure scams you can run without even leaving a station. Is there a difference between say can flipping, which allthough it is a "trick" it involves playing the game, and some isk scam in chat?
P.S. My friend didn't convert to a full account and he is a very avid PvPer who I played UO with, would have made a great EVE player
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Jackson Millenius
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Posted - 2011.07.15 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Frank Truck I recruited a friend, he was in Jita and his comment was, "wth is this, keylogger central?".
At first I tried to defend it, but to be honest, I could not come up with words to defend a lot of those scams that have nothing to do with the game.
After a while I realized he is right, this game does have a keylogger feel, not that it is any different than say UO was, but 13 years have passed since UO came out, the net is different, it is not as shinny new, it has a "keylogger/hacker/scammer" element no one wants anything to do with and I don't think it helps EVE to have that kind of feel.
I'm begining to think some of this scamming is "taking a good thing" too far, especially those which have no combat are are pure scams you can run without even leaving a station. Is there a difference between say can flipping, which allthough it is a "trick" it involves playing the game, and some isk scam in chat?
P.S. My friend didn't convert to a full account and he is a very avid PvPer who I played UO with, would have made a great EVE player
Thats not the audience they want to attract.
They want the internet spaceship guido crowd.
'But I don't want to go among mad people,' said Alice. 'Oh, you can't help that,' said the cat. 'We're all mad here.' |
Frank Truck
ACME Mineral and Gas
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Posted - 2011.07.15 17:44:00 -
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Interesting, I expected to be flamed.
Does this mean others also feel like some of the scams are "too much"?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.07.15 17:48:00 -
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It's one of the primary reasons I trained all remote trade skills - to be able to NOT sit in Jita while I do business. When I actually have to go to Jita, one of the first things I do is minimize local. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Morganta
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Posted - 2011.07.15 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Morganta on 15/07/2011 17:52:39 hardly, most players know to trust nothing in jita local.
and in the end there are no scams, only unobservant or careless people who don't pay attention to what they agree to.
it's been said before I'll say it again, you can not scam a contract, you can only misrepresent it, its up to the buyer to confirm its what it says it is.
isk scams, the same. would you paypal 5 bucks to some guy on the internet who offered you 15 in return just because hes sick of life? if you would let me know because I have a deal for you.
recruitment scams? again its buyer beware, don't pay for corp access, don't trade all your earthly possessions to the hauler alt blindly.
this is why scams are ok in eve, because they barely qualify as scams, they are more like exploitation of the criminally ignorant and lazy than outright theft
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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.15 17:55:00 -
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I've never liked scammers (I've even broken ties with a couple of in-game buddies who started scamming) but I've always been glad that CCP allows them in a sandbox game.
I'm just disappointed that CCP changed their policy from "CCP employees are not allowed to scam" to "All CCP employees must scam."
"I represent those who voted for me, not 'everyone'. Don't give me your entitled voter schtick ..." ~CSM Chair Mittens |
Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2011.07.15 17:58:00 -
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Scams are the New Eden eqivalent of natural selection.
If you are stupid enough to fall for any of them, you thoroughly deserve to lose your belongings, and if/when you emoragequit, EVE will be a better place for it.
If you're no good at simple maths or reading comprehension, or you're trusting to the point of being mentally deficient, spreadsheets in space really isn't the game for you. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Frank Truck
ACME Mineral and Gas
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Morganta Edited by: Morganta on 15/07/2011 17:52:39 hardly, most players know to trust nothing in jita local.
and in the end there are no scams, only unobservant or careless people who don't pay attention to what they agree to.
it's been said before I'll say it again, you can not scam a contract, you can only misrepresent it, its up to the buyer to confirm its what it says it is.
isk scams, the same. would you paypal 5 bucks to some guy on the internet who offered you 15 in return just because hes sick of life? if you would let me know because I have a deal for you.
recruitment scams? again its buyer beware, don't pay for corp access, don't trade all your earthly possessions to the hauler alt blindly.
this is why scams are ok in eve, because they barely qualify as scams, they are more like exploitation of the criminally ignorant and lazy than outright theft
It is not a matter of whether players who have played EVE for years will fall for it, it is the new players, and it is not even so much the actual impact, as the first impression they give.
Another thing about it being 2011, is there are 100s of MMOs with free trials. If some new player gets a bad first impression, they sign off and try the next thing on the list; there chance to explain how the long term benefit outweighs the annoyance.
I'd be curious to see the rate of conversion for trail accounts, I'll bet it is really low.
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Frank Truck
ACME Mineral and Gas
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ultim8Evil Scams are the New Eden eqivalent of natural selection.
If you are stupid enough to fall for any of them, you thoroughly deserve to lose your belongings, and if/when you emoragequit, EVE will be a better place for it.
If you're no good at simple maths or reading comprehension, or you're trusting to the point of being mentally deficient, spreadsheets in space really isn't the game for you.
Actually the smarter the new player is the more they will see as scams right off and the more they will be turned off by it.
Scamming just is not cool anymore like it was in UO.
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Lucas Kell
Gallente Lost Enterprises...
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Frank Truck I recruited a friend, he was in Jita and his comment was, "wth is this, keylogger central?".
At first I tried to defend it, but to be honest, I could not come up with words to defend a lot of those scams that have nothing to do with the game.
After a while I realized he is right, this game does have a keylogger feel, not that it is any different than say UO wbut 13 years have passed since UO came out, the net is different, it is not as shinny new, it has a "keylogger/hacker/scammer" element no one wants anything to do with and I don't think it helps EVE to have that kind of feel.
I'm begining to think some of this scamming is "taking a good thing" too far, especially those which have no combat are are pure scams you can run without even leaving a station. Is there a difference between say can flipping, which allthough it is a "trick" it involves playing the game, and some isk scam in chat?
P.S. My friend didn't convert to a full account and he is a very avid PvPer who I played UO with, would have made a great EVE player
There are too many scammers, but seriously dude. Start blocking people. It's not long before Jita is peaceful and wonderful.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:08:00 -
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The solution is "sheer elegance in its simplicity"
Put up a larger-than-usual CONCORD billboard on all Jita stargates (on both sides).
On the Jita side : "Welcome to Jita : You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." Make it so that the default after-jump-in displays the billboard quite prominently.
On the other side : "Now entering Jita : Abandon hope all ye who enter here." Should be easily visible from most inbound vectors from other heavily-traveled gates.
And put several of those billboards all around Jita44 so that they're easily visible when on inbound vectors from the Jita stargates. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Elisa Vilerum
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:09:00 -
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Jita what a **** hole.
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Neftaran
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:12:00 -
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I recruited a friend -- His comment was.. I can't even 'fly' my ship. /cancel
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Frank Truck
ACME Mineral and Gas
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Frank Truck on 15/07/2011 18:13:46
Originally by: Lucas Kell
There are too many scammers, but seriously dude. Start blocking people. It's not long before Jita is peaceful and wonderful.
Go back, read, especially catch the topic, new players.
Also, Jita could never be wonderfull, no matter how much paint you put on an outhouse it is still an outhouse
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Morganta
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: Morganta on 15/07/2011 18:17:49
Originally by: Frank Truck
Originally by: Morganta Edited by: Morganta on 15/07/2011 17:52:39 hardly, most players know to trust nothing in jita local.
and in the end there are no scams, only unobservant or careless people who don't pay attention to what they agree to.
it's been said before I'll say it again, you can not scam a contract, you can only misrepresent it, its up to the buyer to confirm its what it says it is.
isk scams, the same. would you paypal 5 bucks to some guy on the internet who offered you 15 in return just because hes sick of life? if you would let me know because I have a deal for you.
recruitment scams? again its buyer beware, don't pay for corp access, don't trade all your earthly possessions to the hauler alt blindly.
this is why scams are ok in eve, because they barely qualify as scams, they are more like exploitation of the criminally ignorant and lazy than outright theft
It is not a matter of whether players who have played EVE for years will fall for it, it is the new players, and it is not even so much the actual impact, as the first impression they give.
Another thing about it being 2011, is there are 100s of MMOs with free trials. If some new player gets a bad first impression, they sign off and try the next thing on the list; there chance to explain how the long term benefit outweighs the annoyance.
I'd be curious to see the rate of conversion for trail accounts, I'll bet it is really low.
well sadly if this is the case they will be better off quitting as the frustration level only goes up from here.
jita scams are really the apex of culling the people who just won't be able tolerate 90% of this game.
if someone walks because they lost 2 mill to a jita scam chances are they will have a coronary when they lose their first Dramiel to a gatecamp or better still when they lost EVERYTHING to a freighter gank at a high-sec gate.
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Scarlett Jane Talvanen
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:20:00 -
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Jita only has as many scams as it does, as it is the trade center of eve.
The players made it the trade center of eve. The players moan about the scams in there. The players hold the power to sort it.
Dont hate the player.. hate the game.... ohh wai......
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Craven Aleros
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:24:00 -
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Spammers in Jita are like Big Issue sellers. They stand around shouting and if and when they get enough mugs to hand over money, they walk round the corner, jump in their brand new Range Rover and go back to their apartment in Mayfair...
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Kira Bellum
Amarr Schwarzwald Homeland
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:28:00 -
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personally i dont even look at contracts or local anymore for deals.
and imo thats a problem. I'm not asking that ccp fix it or control it.... but why not have an 'ebay like' seller rating?
player controlled rating system, but still possible to pull off high profit scams. the difference being that it would serve to reduce the volume and make it more difficult to scam.
so you know.... you'd have to work a bit to gain a rep so that someone will trust you enough for you to mega scam them.
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Lucas Kell
Gallente Lost Enterprises...
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Lucas Kell on 15/07/2011 18:31:59
Originally by: Frank Truck Edited by: Frank Truck on 15/07/2011 18:13:46
Originally by: Lucas Kell
There are too many scammers, but seriously dude. Start blocking people. It's not long before Jita is peaceful and wonderful.
Go back, read, especially catch the topic, new players.
Also, Jita could never be wonderfull, no matter how much paint you put on an outhouse it is still an outhouse
I dunno what you mean. If you mean the scammers are new? most of them are the same names and blocking does help. If you mean new players see the scams, just tell new players to start blocking.
And yes, it's still and outhouse... but it can be a pretty outhouse. :p
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Jumeira
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:39:00 -
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jita local melts me oul laptop, always have it minimised
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Frank Truck
ACME Mineral and Gas
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kira Bellum personally i dont even look at contracts or local anymore for deals.
and imo thats a problem. I'm not asking that ccp fix it or control it.... but why not have an 'ebay like' seller rating?
player controlled rating system, but still possible to pull off high profit scams. the difference being that it would serve to reduce the volume and make it more difficult to scam.
so you know.... you'd have to work a bit to gain a rep so that someone will trust you enough for you to mega scam them.
That is another aspect, having systems no one even uses. I'm the same way with the courier contract system, it is like a game in and of itself, "spot the scam".
That is also essentially running from the problem, when no one uses those systems the scammers will find something else.
The new Corp tool is another example. It's nice, but using it is a crap shoot, still better off looking for a corp through direct contacts.
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Mintoko
Gallente Taedium In Perpetuam
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:44:00 -
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In what way does a scam have a "keylogger feel"? What do keyloggers have to do with it?
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Jon Archqus
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Archqus on 15/07/2011 18:46:39
I could care less about scammers, but CCP should quit turning the blind eye to obvious macro chat usage in the trade hubs and various chat channels. If they are going to ban bot miners & ratters they need to also ban contract/scam botters.
Why should someone else have an unfair advantage in selling items/scamming (even legit items) simply because they runs a chat macro in local 24/7.
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Thoraxe Rig
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:49:00 -
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To be perfectly honest I don't really read local at the best of times, in Jita I completely ignore it.
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BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:54:00 -
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well almost all the time, especially this morning I keenly noticed that there were alts heavily spamming very suspicious links( in the german channel). don't click any of them.
Jita, I hardly ever pay attention to that local text shower of scam
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.07.15 18:58:00 -
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What the **** does key logging have to do with scamming in a video game? Is English your first language?
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Wa'roun
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.15 19:04:00 -
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a key logger is a program that is put on a computer to log the keystrokes.
What does that have to do with chat in local?
If your friend quits over disagreeable chat in local, he is not of the personality/mindset to play online games.
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Klandi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.15 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
The solution is "sheer elegance in its simplicity"
Put up a larger-than-usual CONCORD billboard on all Jita stargates (on both sides).
On the Jita side : "Welcome to Jita : You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." Make it so that the default after-jump-in displays the billboard quite prominently.
On the other side : "Now entering Jita : Abandon hope all ye who enter here." Should be easily visible from most inbound vectors from other heavily-traveled gates.
And put several of those billboards all around Jita44 so that they're easily visible when on inbound vectors from the Jita stargates.
One of the worst, illogical, badly thought out suggestions u have ever come up with Akita (u noob)
The effect on any jita scammer to a billboard stating the obvious is the same as a sign in the North Pole saying "BEWARE it is COLD"
You CAN do better than that
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Frank Truck
ACME Mineral and Gas
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Posted - 2011.07.15 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mintoko In what way does a scam have a "keylogger feel"? What do keyloggers have to do with it?
I'll feed all three trolls at once
Obviously it was meant as a derogatory analogy of some sort. His label for whatever you want to call the various hacking trash on the internet.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.15 20:06:00 -
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Quote: The solution is
Ignore it. Plenty of people do legit business in Jita all day long.
You think Howard Stern is ignorant? Don't ****ing listen. You don't want Iron Maiden to come to the civic arena because they are 'devil worshipers"? Don't ****ing go. You don't like **** because you think it is morally wrong? Don't ****ing watch it.
Only the seediest shady wastes of flesh censor other people. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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