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Father Void
Minmatar Ministry of the Void Internal Server Error
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Posted - 2011.07.15 22:57:00 -
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Please, please correct me if I'm wrong but my first experience with Incursions was a real let down. I checked my journal and hey an Incursion 7 jumps away! Finally something closer than 30 jumps yay!
I grab my Navy Issue Dominix and fly out there. The channel pops up and I post my fit, its a drone but. Someone was to drop my Armor reps for some plates, makes sense so I do it. I then fly back. 2 hours later I'm still posting to try and get in a fleet.
Just seems to be elitist waiting for the perfect Logi or Drake. Man can the world get over Drakes, there are other ships.
I'm not the best Pilot nor te worst, but is it always going to be like that. Reminded my of playing EQ yeeeaaars ago and not getig in groups because I didn't have Cobalt Armor.
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Coeus Enderas
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.15 23:39:00 -
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well, the drake is a pretty beefy tank. and becuase of he lack of balance changes recently alot of ships seem to fall to the wayside
CCP did state in a recent interview they want fleets to be more subcap, with supcaps and cap ships being much bigger to lose. this would in turn mean they need to make sweeping balance.
as for your incursion experience, my experience is that you travel in a group and offer your 3-4 people as a group package, which makes you more appealing ôWhat we imagine is order is merely the prevailing form of chaos.ö
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gfldex
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Posted - 2011.07.15 23:47:00 -
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Incursion Sanshas love to shoot drones. A domi simply doesn't work.
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K'iran
Spirit of EVE
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Posted - 2011.07.16 00:12:00 -
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Incursions require a proper fit, a proper fleet setup, a proper understanding of what's about to happen and proper piloting. It has nothing to do with being elitist and everything to do with not being interested in having people tag along who have no clue. People who bring droneboats to an incursion essentially shout out that they have NO idea about what they're doing, same for people who bring active tanked setups.
It's not bashing, it's not elitist. It's you who obviously couldn't be bothered to read up on incursions and properly prepare for it, instead you simply want to have the others carry you through that content and if those people refuse that you somehow feel entitled.
Here's some info on incursions; I suggest you read all of it, figure it out and then try again.
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Disastro
Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2011.07.16 02:20:00 -
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I suspect most folks tend to do Incursions as an alliance or corp effort and dont look for or want out of corp guys in their fleet. I dont live in high sec so idk for sure what high sec incursion fleets are like. Perhaps they are more accepting of neutrals in their fleets.
Most incursion sites require 10 or 20 man gangs with proper fittings and logistics to run the site succesfully. Its not so much about elitism as making sure that you succeed in finishing the site. Unlike other types of anoms these incursions only reward you at the end and you get nothing for killing the individual rats. Usually the gangs are either all armor or all shield gangs so that there is only one type of logistic ship needed.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.07.16 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Father Void I grab my Navy Issue Dominix and fly out there. The channel pops up and I post my fit, its a drone but. Someone was to drop my Armor reps for some plates, makes sense so I do it. I then fly back. 2 hours later I'm still posting to try and get in a fleet.
The general pattern for incursion boats is to fit a large buffer tank with decent resists (aim for 70% or better across the board), with repairs being done remotely by logistics ships.
Quote: Just seems to be elitist waiting for the perfect Logi or Drake. Man can the world get over Drakes, there are other ships.
Not elitism, just people who don't want to get their expensive Incursion-running ships blown up. Drakes aren't really wanted anywhere.
Quote: I'm not the best Pilot nor te worst, but is it always going to be like that. Reminded my of playing EQ yeeeaaars ago and not getig in groups because I didn't have Cobalt Armor.
Just keep asking for advice on what to do - most people will dismiss drone boats because they think of drones as sub-par DPS.
Originally by: gfldex Incursion Sanshas love to shoot drones. A domi simply doesn't work.
Are you playing the same game I'm playing? 'cos in the EVE Online that I'm playing, Sanshas Nation NPCs in Incursion encounters don't give a second thought to drones - they'll aggress the drone boat instead. [ Australian players join channel ANZAC ] |
gfldex
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Posted - 2011.07.16 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn Are you playing the same game I'm playing?
I do. CONCORD handed well over a million LP so far.
Originally by: Mara Rinn 'cos in the EVE Online that I'm playing, Sanshas Nation NPCs in Incursion encounters don't give a second thought to drones - they'll aggress the drone boat instead.
You seam not to launch your drones often. I make a killing selling drones in staging systems.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2011.07.16 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Disastro I suspect most folks tend to do Incursions as an alliance or corp effort and dont look for or want out of corp guys in their fleet.
You are guessing wrong. Most alliances got wardecs going and logis don't like it much to have yellow timers.
Originally by: Disastro I dont live in high sec so idk for sure what high sec incursion fleets are like.
They are formed from private and not so private channels (in that order). -- IF YOU PLAY WITH SONY YOU PLAY WITH ******! |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.07.16 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex You seam not to launch your drones often. I make a killing selling drones in staging systems.
I have my drones out all the time, being a logistics pilot. Unless you can recount examples of drones being blown up by Sanshas, my explanation of your record drone sales is that too many people don't recall their drones fast enough when the FC calls for the fleet to align before fleet warping everyone out.
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:55:00 -
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I can barely keep drones alive in sleeper sites, but have never once had a drone killed by a Sansha NPC. They're meant to be a very similar AI, but they certainly have a different regard towards drones. Sentry drones in particular are left completely alone.
YMMV.
Oh and as for the Drake comment .... you're trolling, right? Most drakes get laughed at when they're posted into the Incursion channel. Crap dps, and their local tank means almost nothing in the Incursions. ---------------
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Generals4
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: gfldex You seam not to launch your drones often. I make a killing selling drones in staging systems.
I have my drones out all the time, being a logistics pilot. Unless you can recount examples of drones being blown up by Sanshas, my explanation of your record drone sales is that too many people don't recall their drones fast enough when the FC calls for the fleet to align before fleet warping everyone out.
While my drones haven't been popped as of yet (also as a logi) i've seen folks lose their drones and quite often actually. Now it's not as if people have to recall their drones every 5 secs but they do get popped.
Now imagine if your ship relies on those drones and they are the ones getting popped in the middle of the fight...
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Seven Duce
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Posted - 2011.07.17 15:03:00 -
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A year from now you'll all be saying how drone boats are imba and drakes total fail
The amount of rebalancing that I've seen just since 2006 is just a total joke, they get rid of one 'I win' button (curse anyone?) just to replace it with another. At the end of the day its just ****ty game design. You spend 6 months training a certain path only for it to be rendered obsolete by the next nerf.
Whats the point in all these skills and hundreds of different ships if theres only 5 worth flying?
And yes, I'm mad as hell goddammit!!
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Jacob Stiller
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Posted - 2011.07.17 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: K'iran Incursions require a proper fit, a proper fleet setup, a proper understanding of what's about to happen and proper piloting. It has nothing to do with being elitist and everything to do with not being interested in having people tag along who have no clue. People who bring droneboats to an incursion essentially shout out that they have NO idea about what they're doing, same for people who bring active tanked setups.
It's not bashing, it's not elitist. It's you who obviously couldn't be bothered to read up on incursions and properly prepare for it, instead you simply want to have the others carry you through that content and if those people refuse that you somehow feel entitled.
Here's some info on incursions; I suggest you read all of it, figure it out and then try again.
I noticed that that site only recommends shield tank fits ignoring armor tanking. To the point that even amarr ships are shield tanked and the armor logistics ships aren't mentioned. Why? Honest question. Never done an incursion.
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Dana Dawn
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Posted - 2011.07.17 21:38:00 -
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That website just specializes in shield fleets. Like guns and tank it is less efficient to mix armor and shield in the same fleet.
I personally fly with shield fleets, bu there is a large group of people flying with armor fleets. I haven't looked but maybe there is an equivalent web site for armor as well.
Also there is a incursion forum somewhere on the Internet that is home for both of these fleets.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2011.07.17 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Stiller I noticed that that site only recommends shield tank fits ignoring armor tanking.
Web sites don't write themselves and not anybody got 100MSP. -- IF YOU PLAY WITH SONY YOU PLAY WITH ******! |
K'iran
Spirit of EVE
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Posted - 2011.07.17 22:07:00 -
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There's several reasons to run shield fits over armour. One of them is that shield reps happen on the start of the cycle and armour reps on the end, meaning that armour logis will always react slower to incoming damage which can be an issue. Also, shield fits allow for more damage mods so overall dps of the fleet will be better.
There are ofcourse many armour options and they're quite viable, but if you have the choice then shield is the better choice.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2011.07.17 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dana Dawn Also there is a incursion forum somewhere on the Internet that is home for both of these fleets.
You mean this? -- IF YOU PLAY WITH SONY YOU PLAY WITH ******! |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.07.17 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: K'iran Also, shield fits allow for more damage mods so overall dps of the fleet will be better.
Armour fits have midslots for DPS enhancement - webs, painters, tracking computers. Adding any of those to a shield tanked ship reduces its EHP. Shield fleets don't have the monopoly on DPS or survivability. Although shield reps happen at the beginning of the cycle, you'll find it easier to add EHP to an armour tank - you have more buffer to start with, and as long as you start the rep cycle when the ship is yellow-boxed, the reps will arrive in a timely manner.
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