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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.07.22 16:28:00 -
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China getting ready to deal EM damage against US warships
We have to update that real world faction damage chart....
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.07.22 16:50:00 -
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Steel/iron v. Electromagnetic waves... Furthermore Serious components are made to be shielded against such things. Though read the report about affects of HPM against organic isnt so pleasant. But to project that much power in the form of microwave transmission at that distance would take quite considerable power.
Also it's essentially just a "What if scenario." in terms of AB or C i'm sure they make one up for every contingency say v. Russia or Japan. Almost all military's make such scenarios up. EG: Plan orange.
I dont see why so many people seem to think were going to go to war with China... Too much money too be lost, and nothing currently were going to fight over. Taiwan is a relic from the cold war, and really neither side really gives a **** over it anymore. Espionage? All nations do that...even against allies. Which is why it's a criminal charge.
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Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
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Posted - 2011.07.22 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Karl Planck on 22/07/2011 17:04:45
Originally by: Blacksquirrel I dont see why so many people seem to think were going to go to war with China...
Fox news, sensationalism and the general tone of masochism found in right wing religious zealots (they want this to happen)
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.07.22 17:10:00 -
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Yeah I sort of figured it was always like boxing... Everyone wants to see the two heavy weights go at just because they're the heavy weights.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.22 17:13:00 -
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Yes china really is going to nuke US carriers to get its hands on Taiwan, which will be a very bloody war with little to no gain for the chinese...
Even if you only explode the nukes in the viscinity of the US carriers, you still are assaulting US property with nuclear weapons. Aditionally if the EMP would be succesfull (i doubt it would tbh), all communication of those ships would be down. Now what exactly do you think the US response is going to be when nuclear explosions happen near their carrier group and all communication with them is lost? At the very least the Chinese force invading taiwan will be changed into a mushroom cloud by nearby subs.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2011.07.22 21:04:00 -
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The chinese will pull a Reagan on the US, spending them to death in an armsrace.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.22 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron The chinese will pull a Reagan on the US, spending them to death in an armsrace.
I'd rather see another space race tbh. Works just as well at bankrupting both parties and makes us all feel better about ourselves in the end.
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JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.07.22 21:40:00 -
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Right, because with ships costing tens of millions or even billions, they haven't thought of that possibility already
It would take out a carrier group's fighter planes, but some of these ships still have guns. If it were really powerful enough to take a complete carrier group (one of which is pretty much continually placed in the area) out of service, the retaliation from the US would FAR outweigh whatever the Chinese did to provoke them.
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trenny jr
The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.07.22 22:41:00 -
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china dont need to go to war with america they can just pay america to nuke its self
Originally by: Alticius Espionicus Ankhesentapemkah: the Sarah Palin of EVE.
[00:18:49] Lady Spank > /emote squiggles
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2011.07.23 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: trenny jr china dont need to go to war with america they can just pay america to nuke its self
It must be hard to think with all that lard in your head.
Delenda est achura. |
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Emminent Terraforming O.G.-Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.23 00:54:00 -
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China owns too much of our debt to start a war with us.... Also if they used such weapons on the mainland or US assets they might not have to deal with overpopulation for very long due to ICBM assisted urban renewal....
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JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.07.23 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker China owns too much of our debt to start a war with us.... Also if they used such weapons on the mainland or US assets they might not have to deal with overpopulation for very long due to ICBM assisted urban renewal....
AMERICAN CONSTRUCTION COMPANY
"Relieving urban sprawl, one warhead at a time"
As an aside, I only live about an hour away from the Trinity Site.
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LordOfDespair
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Posted - 2011.07.23 04:19:00 -
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Screw china for trying to attack taiwan and thinking they can EMP US warships without a punch to the face.
On a lighter note... The US better equip some Photon scattering fields.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.07.23 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 23/07/2011 07:50:42
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker China owns too much of our debt to start a war with us.... Also if they used such weapons on the mainland or US assets they might not have to deal with overpopulation for very long due to ICBM assisted urban renewal....
I doubt the US would respond to a tactical nuclear strike with a strategic one because they would invite the same response, it all basically comes back around to most of the tactics and scenarios that where debated during the cold war where both sides liked the idea of smaller strikes against military targets and formations but faced the very real prospect of kicking off Armageddon. The US, or any country would have to carefully gauge their response but one of the earlier posts hit the nail on the head, the US would respond to a tactical strike on its assets with a similar strike on the attackers assets.
Obviously at the first sign of ICBM launches with trajectories towards home nations and it would mean Armageddon, most tactical strikes would be carried out with short range missiles to minimise the provocation. Still it would be a very risky thing for any country to do.
There was plenty of discussions within NATO and the Warsaw pact about responding to chemical and biological attack with tactical strikes which upped the stakes related to those weapons also.
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Kirja
R.U.S.H Red Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.23 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kirja on 23/07/2011 10:23:51 The point is that China does not need to go into conventional or all out warfare with US in order to devastate it. All that needs to be done is: 1) to get rid of stockpiled $ 2) to demand back everything US owns to China
US currency will turn into useless paper, average US citizen will no longer be able to afford imported goods (which is almost everything, iPods & iPhones included), the cost of doing business in US will skyrocket due to increased interest rates which will prevent foreign investments.
Sure it will hurt ChinaÆs economy as well but we are talking about war, right? Conventional war or nuking each other would hurt much more and achieve less.
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Xervish Krin
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Posted - 2011.07.23 15:56:00 -
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I had to laugh at the article. I mean really, Chinese weapons development has the primary intention of attacking US carriers? It's all about America, isn't it? Also good was the line where US technological superiority was paraded around, while cutting edge EMP weapons were portrayed as a cheap trick akin to a kick in the balls. Apparently developing the first real EMP weapon to knock out enemy electronics doesn't count as 'advanced'. Perhaps Chinese soldiers shouldn't be allowed to ambush the enemy either; it's just not fair! How dare they use cunning against a more powerful foe - oh wait, that's why America lost in Vietnam. They didn't want that country anyway.
The comments section was good too, lots of republican/Democrat *****ing. My President was better than your President.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.07.23 21:42:00 -
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I work for the illuminati, we dont care about China, we are working with them and the US, honestly sometimes I wonder about our PR, how can we possibly take over the whole world if we are at war with everyone .
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.23 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kirja Edited by: Kirja on 23/07/2011 10:23:51 The point is that China does not need to go into conventional or all out warfare with US in order to devastate it. All that needs to be done is: 1) to get rid of stockpiled $ 2) to demand back everything US owns to China
US currency will turn into useless paper, average US citizen will no longer be able to afford imported goods (which is almost everything, iPods & iPhones included), the cost of doing business in US will skyrocket due to increased interest rates which will prevent foreign investments.
Sure it will hurt ChinaÆs economy as well but we are talking about war, right? Conventional war or nuking each other would hurt much more and achieve less.
Historically, even a completely gutted financial system has never prevented a country from mobilizing for war. Germany did it in the 30's with some of the most extreme inflation in history. The US. began it's own build-up during the depression era, which didn't really end at all until the war was over. I think China knows that it is far safer with an on-the-rocks US ecnonmy rather than a dead US economy. Not only in it's beneficial flow of trade good to the US market, but also because clinically depressed nations (like people) have a tendency to do very violent things.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Emminent Terraforming O.G.-Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.23 23:00:00 -
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Also China depends on the US companies to put factories there to build cheap lead painted crap to sell back here.
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Nadea Semah
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Posted - 2011.07.24 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Nadea Semah on 24/07/2011 01:58:52
Originally by: Karl Planck Edited by: Karl Planck on 22/07/2011 17:04:45
Originally by: Blacksquirrel I dont see why so many people seem to think were going to go to war with China...
Fox news,*CNN, **MSNBC, *RT,*NBC,*AP,*BBC sensationalism and the general tone of masochism found in right wing religious zealots (they want this to happen)
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* edited to include other news corps that like to tell one side and indulge in sensational sales!
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Kirja
R.U.S.H Red Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.24 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Historically, even a completely gutted financial system has never prevented a country from mobilizing for war. Germany did it in the 30's with some of the most extreme inflation in history.
So how did it work out for Germany? Also Germany robbed other countries banks and used slavery to sustain itÆs war economy.
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
The US. began it's own build-up during the depression era, which didn't really end at all until the war was over.
Yes, exactly, lets mobilize some factories and exchange for gold or lease much needed supplies to our brothers in arms while they spill the blood on the frontlines for the common cause.
And all things consider you wouldnÆt mobilize for war just because China wants itÆs money back, would you? And if you wouldà man, thatÆs rude. In any case if US defaults due to China wanting money back or mobilizes for war (how would US call it this time? ôWar on creditors?ö and what are you going to ôsearch forö this time?) you may forget about US financial dominance as nobody will ever again trust $ and nobody will ever buy 0 interest bonds that US Treasury is so accustomed to. The capital will move to some other more trustworthy country and a new currency (Euro? Yuan?) will become a currency of choice for international transactions.
Make no mistake ChinaÆs territory, population, industrial capability etc are huge, engineers posses modern ôknow howö (how long it usually takes for them to create a replica of a new phone or some other high-tech toy?). How many days will it take for US war machine to crumble if you go to war with China when a third world country like Afghanistan causes so much troubles that you need to make ôdealsö with local warlords allowing them to grow opium in hope that ôfarmersö will not to go and fight with a newly established ôpeaceö and ôdemocracyö.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.24 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 24/07/2011 09:54:04
Originally by: Kirja
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Historically, even a completely gutted financial system has never prevented a country from mobilizing for war. Germany did it in the 30's with some of the most extreme inflation in history.
So how did it work out for Germany? Also Germany robbed other countries banks and used slavery to sustain itÆs war economy.
Their economy didn't spring into existence during the invasion of Poland. Nor was interment camp labor a deciding factor in it's strength. Their military industry was righted in the 30's long before either.
Originally by: Kirja
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
The US. began it's own build-up during the depression era, which didn't really end at all until the war was over.
Yes, exactly, lets mobilize some factories and exchange for gold or lease much needed supplies to our brothers in arms while they spill the blood on the frontlines for the common cause.
And all things consider you wouldnÆt mobilize for war just because China wants itÆs money back, would you? And if you wouldà man, thatÆs rude. In any case if US defaults due to China wanting money back or mobilizes for war (how would US call it this time? ôWar on creditors?ö and what are you going to ôsearch forö this time?) you may forget about US financial dominance as nobody will ever again trust $ and nobody will ever buy 0 interest bonds that US Treasury is so accustomed to. The capital will move to some other more trustworthy country and a new currency (Euro? Yuan?) will become a currency of choice for international transactions.
Make no mistake ChinaÆs territory, population, industrial capability etc are huge, engineers posses modern ôknow howö (how long it usually takes for them to create a replica of a new phone or some other high-tech toy?). How many days will it take for US war machine to crumble if you go to war with China when a third world country like Afghanistan causes so much troubles that you need to make ôdealsö with local warlords allowing them to grow opium in hope that ôfarmersö will not to go and fight with a newly established ôpeaceö and ôdemocracyö.
I don't think the US would mobilize at a direct attempt to destabalize it's economy. I know it would. It is not "rude," in any more capacity than it is rude for you or I to eat a fish because we are hungry. Self-preservation is just as strong a notion at the national level as at the human level and you may rest assured that a nation with the resources of the US would not simply fold it's hand and say "well played." But, as i've indicated, China is aware of the global economy and it would not make any sense for an economy in their position to attempt to smite anyone in the manner you're suggesting. As they still stit astride a growth phase very much dependant on foreign consumer markets (of which, the US is one of the largest), they would be cutting off their own nose to spite the face.
PS: China is not out to get you. I promise.
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Headerman
Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.07.25 05:20:00 -
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Meh it's just hype.
On the other hand, the US would already have such weapons, And they can always just build some of these to take care of that lil chinese problem thing.
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