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Pyth2
Tower of Ravens
The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2011.07.30 18:55:00 -
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 Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Pyth2
Depending very much on what else he happens to be running. With Chrome open atm I'm using 115ish, utorrent another 5, windows xp is chewing up maybe 50.
God knows what kind of ram the sony software suite that thing almost definitly holds is chewing up. EvE itself tends to hovor around 800ish just sitting in space, doesn't leave a lot of room for anything else. His page file is almost certainly being heavily used.
oh please stop, if you really think this is the problem, then suggest that the OP deal with it accordingly. Trying to prove that you may be right is not helping anyone.
I already made a suggestion to fix the problem. Stop trying to load eve on a 6 year old system that just barely pinches out the minimum required spec to start the program and upgrade.
It's plain to see that his system is woefully under powered and unable to even start eve.
I'd further postulate that minimum specs listed for EvE are a load of wishful thinking at best. Those specs look more like, if you have a freshly formatted comp, with just cleaned fans and heat sinks, with nothing but win xp and eve installed, you might get it booted up to the title screen. -Might-.
**** and moan about fixing his drivers all you want, it won't do a damn thing. Drivers are not going to add at least a gig of ram to his system, nor upgrade his GPU. Which are the reasons for failure here.
You can't expect to run a game with a graphics engine released in 2009 to run on such a poor notebook, from 2005. You'd likely be better off trying to run EvE on an iphone.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.07.30 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 30/07/2011 19:07:35
Originally by: Pyth2
I already made a suggestion to fix the problem. Stop trying to load eve on a 6 year old system that just barely pinches out the minimum required spec to start the program and upgrade.
If he'd be complaining about poor performance, you would have a point. But he's not complaining about THAT.
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minimum specs listed for EvE are a load of wishful thinking at best. Those specs look more like, if you have a freshly formatted comp, with just cleaned fans and heat sinks, with nothing but win xp and eve installed, you might get it booted up to the title screen. -Might-.
Not "might". SHOULD. Your HDD might churn, your FPS will be bad, but it should start. If all you want to do is check the market and swap skills, you don't even NEED 1 FPS.
In fact, I can bet you that I could log into EVE and switch a skill or something like that on a machine that's BELOW minimal spec. for each critical hardware component... like, oh, say, a 6xxx series NVIDIA, 1.2 GHz single-core Celeron (but supporting SSE2) and only 512 MB of RAM.
Yes, it will work HORRIBLY, but it WILL work.
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**** and moan about fixing his drivers all you want, it won't do a damn thing. Drivers are not going to add at least a gig of ram to his system, nor upgrade his GPU. Which are the reasons for failure here.
System doesn't BSOD because you have too little RAM. Too little RAM results in heavy swap file usage, NOT reboots. And under ideal circumstances with XP, 1 GB of RAM should mean you're barely even TOUCHING the swap file while running EVE on lowest everything.
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You can't expect to run a game with a graphics engine released in 2009 to run on such a poor notebook, from 2005. You'd likely be better off trying to run EvE on an iphone.
You can't expect it to run WELL. But you can expect it to run, period.
If it doesn't run, there's a problem with that particular machine (be it hardware fault or software screwup), it's not a problem with the hardware specs.
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Pyth2
Tower of Ravens
The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2011.07.30 19:12:00 -
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I'd say inability to even open the game without BSOD is 'poor performance' lol.
Maxing out your swap file can indeed cause reboots and all sorts of messed up errors as data gets lost and chucked since it has nowhere to go. Entirely possible I'd say, given that he has a 100 gig HD his swap file is likely set very tiny.
Again I say the min reqs listed for EvE are optimistic at best. Maybe they can fire the game up on a machine with those specs in lab conditions, but a gunked up 6 year old machine full of temp files, old ****, grandmas free smilies malware, limewire, old torrents and other crap gunking it up. Doubt it.
Hell, that thing is so old I bet it still has gator corp spyware and limewire on it.
Let's do a fun experiment OP. Reboot that comp, let it fully finish the boot process, ctrl+alt+del and check your running processes. I'm insanely curious to see how many processes you have running, and how much memory they're eating. Check available space on the HDD while you're at it.
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malus mendax
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Posted - 2011.07.30 19:17:00 -
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lol... got to love the windows noobs, "you computer can't run that, buy a new computer".
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MataHarry
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.07.30 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pyth2
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Pyth2
Depending very much on what else he happens to be running. With Chrome open atm I'm using 115ish, utorrent another 5, windows xp is chewing up maybe 50.
God knows what kind of ram the sony software suite that thing almost definitly holds is chewing up. EvE itself tends to hovor around 800ish just sitting in space, doesn't leave a lot of room for anything else. His page file is almost certainly being heavily used.
oh please stop, if you really think this is the problem, then suggest that the OP deal with it accordingly. Trying to prove that you may be right is not helping anyone.
I already made a suggestion to fix the problem. Stop trying to load eve on a 6 year old system that just barely pinches out the minimum required spec to start the program and upgrade.
It's plain to see that his system is woefully under powered and unable to even start eve.
I'd further postulate that minimum specs listed for EvE are a load of wishful thinking at best. Those specs look more like, if you have a freshly formatted comp, with just cleaned fans and heat sinks, with nothing but win xp and eve installed, you might get it booted up to the title screen. -Might-.
**** and moan about fixing his drivers all you want, it won't do a damn thing. Drivers are not going to add at least a gig of ram to his system, nor upgrade his GPU. Which are the reasons for failure here.
You can't expect to run a game with a graphics engine released in 2009 to run on such a poor notebook, from 2005. You'd likely be better off trying to run EvE on an iphone.
stupid troll is stupid troll
and yet again Akita proves to be genuinly smart person
i just reinstalled everything and just so happens i had a "Incursion" eve offline installer. so as matter of fact with 2005 distributive of drivers from sony eve "incursions" runs, but once you dl pacth for CQ the problem turns up :/
my take would be that devs fu*ked something up :/ ... in CQ patch
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LittleTerror
MAFIA
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Posted - 2011.07.30 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: K'uata Sayus
Methinks your video card just isn't powerful enough to enable you to go Nex shopping.
lol my 7600 still plays this game perfectly rather laughingly. |
Pyth2
Tower of Ravens
The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2011.07.30 19:35:00 -
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Oh wow imagine that. The advent of CQ prevent game from running on his hardware! Geez where has'stupid troll' heard that before? Ohhh, maybe his first post in the thread.
If you have the most updated drivers for that card, then I do believe you're **** out of luck, since they haven't updated the driver for the card in about 2 years. Wouldn't hold my breath on it getting fixed. Again, just upgrade your dog turd of a notebook.
Jesus 40$ should be able to find you something more capable then that.
Baring that, if you insist on listening to a bunch of window lickers who haven't offered one scrap of advice other then 'OMG UPDATE DRIV3RS LOL' without even bother to check if new drivers had been released in the last 2 years, then maybe try Omega drivers. Don't know if they supported that card at all, but if you insist on following the route of folly, try that.
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MataHarry
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.07.30 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Pyth2
Oh wow imagine that. The advent of CQ prevent game from running on his hardware! Geez where has'stupid troll' heard that before? Ohhh, maybe his first post in the thread.
If you have the most updated drivers for that card, then I do believe you're **** out of luck, since they haven't updated the driver for the card in about 2 years. Wouldn't hold my breath on it getting fixed. Again, just upgrade your dog turd of a notebook.
Jesus 40$ should be able to find you something more capable then that.
Baring that, if you insist on listening to a bunch of window lickers who haven't offered one scrap of advice other then 'OMG UPDATE DRIV3RS LOL' without even bother to check if new drivers had been released in the last 2 years, then maybe try Omega drivers. Don't know if they supported that card at all, but if you insist on following the route of folly, try that.
like dude at least Akita was ADAMANTLY correct in his assesment of my system capabilities in terms being able to run the client. If machine can run incursions client it must run CQ client as well. There were complains before that something was seriously fuked up in CQ code in terms of graphic cards. That could be it. Of course I d love to have a solution here but as an experienced user I fear that there is none. The machine is perfectly fine, it meets the reqruirement and should run the client just fine as highlighted by the fact that it runs incursions client, so it CQ code.
Devs, if anyone is reading this - CQ is SHI-T work in terms of coding graphic cards.
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pyth3
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Posted - 2011.07.30 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: pyth3 on 30/07/2011 19:47:54
I agree, CQ is **** and breaks all sorts of crap. It wrecked comps a lot more capable then yours. It's some of the most poorly optimised crap ever released. That's why I fingered it as being the main problem in trying to run the game with an ancient notebook sporting ancient hardware.
Sorry about your luck, didn't want to seem to be trolling you. Just happens to be that the genuine solution here is to upgrade a bit. That or wait for CCP to fix something. We all know what kind of option that is though, and I def wouldn't be counting on them to fix the game to run on hardware Nvidia itself no longer supports.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.07.30 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 30/07/2011 22:17:15
Originally by: pyth3
Just happens to be that the genuine solution here is to upgrade a bit.
Good luck upgrading a laptop cheaply (or at all).
Even if he would add 1 more GB of RAM (which should be possible, unlike upgrading the graphics card which is bordering on hopeless), his laptop for some reason will almost certainly still not run the EVE client even if it should be able to run now already.
Other than the addition of the CQ assets and the "carbon UI" which would lead to a lower FPS when CQ is loaded, an early Incursions client should have the same system requirements as an Incarna client.
P.S. Just to be clear, OP - you don't actually get to see anything, not even the login screen ? Does the splash screen even display ?
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SirSpectre
Gallente
Harbingers Of Destruction
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Posted - 2011.07.30 23:16:00 -
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One thing that I haven't heard anyone ask for is the STOP: error code. Give that and I can look into it. Its usually like 0x00......
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MataHarry
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.07.31 07:52:00 -
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i recall there was a way to prevent machine from rebooting in BSOD
how can i do it ? to actually see whats the code
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Jadzia Usoo
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Posted - 2011.07.31 08:40:00 -
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I too have this problem with BSOD when running the 'Incarna' expansion. My old machine was a Sony Laptop circa 2006 with Nividia 7600GO graphics card. Used to run the 'flying in space' no problem, with settings on low. But since CQ blue screens every time i run it. Basically the graphics drivers are out of date and Sony no longer supports this spec of laptop.
Solution - have bought new laptop.
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The Offerer
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.31 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: The Offerer on 31/07/2011 09:57:43
As an nVidia "dinosaur" user (ASUS 7300 GT here), I can only say that from my experience it's always better to use the drivers directly from the source - especially in nVidia's case.
Can't give any other advice, because honestly I don't know how to fix your problem.
As far as performance goes, EVE runs fine on 7300GT, but with 2GB of RAM (desktop machine in my case). You can't use CQ feature, but it's just one room anyway. And since I've recently switched from XP to Windows 7, I can say that I've noticed a slight boost of performance (and stability) compared to the older system. |
Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.07.31 11:19:00 -
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lol, another noob trying to play games on a laptop
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Nite Piper
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Posted - 2011.07.31 13:36:00 -
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No 1: You're using a laptop. Laptops have very poor ergonomics for regular work or play. In terms of price/performance they're also 3 to 4 times more expensive than a desktop would be, had one assembled a corresponding piece of junk. In real terms though, laptops are typically between 1/3 to 1/400 of the performance of a decent desktop. A final side issue is that laptops tend to develop issues eventually when you run them at sustained heavy load, i.e. overheating and battery woes.
No 2: Since it is a laptop, the graphics aren't really GF7400. It's some rubbish, mere shadow of the real GF7400, which is only labeled GF7400go in order to have it perceived as something better that it is by association with similarily named desktop parts. This is routine practice for laptop parts.
No 3: Even the real GF7400 would have been rather old by now. The first digit of the number gives the generation. Since "7", nVidia has been through "8", "9" for four digit generations, and "2" and "4" for three-digit generations.
No 4: The second digit of the designation number is a "4", GF 7400. The second digit designates the performance segment the part was originally aimed for. And for nVidias old four-digit numbers, just like AMD's four-digit numbers, a "4" denotes performance too low to be suitable for gaming. Gaming graphics start at "6" for four digit numbers. For a fullfledged gaming card the digit would typically be "8".
Even when it was new, even the fullsize desktop GF7400 graphics weren't intended for gaming.
(currently, nVidia uses new three-digit numbers. The important digit that gives the class of graphics is still the second. But it's been shifted down somewhat, so a 6 or 7 corresponds to fullfledged gaming card. i.e. corresponds to the old "8".)
At least you didn't buy a laptop with Intel graphics. That's something, I guess.
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Blindmellonchitlan
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Posted - 2011.07.31 14:40:00 -
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This is a classic example of the comps used by alot of players in eve before Incarna and thats why they was so ****ed when it came out. Bottom line upgrade dont be a cheepskate jesus a comp that will run eve at acceptable lvls or even a upgrade if possible for some your only talking a few hundred bucks. And if your not sure what you can run with that old dinasour then check it out Here.
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SirSpectre
Gallente
Harbingers Of Destruction
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Posted - 2011.08.01 16:26:00 -
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Right Click on my computer > properties > advanced > start up and recovery. Remove reboot on BSOD. Then cause BSOD.
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MataHarry
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.08.02 18:56:00 -
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well funny story everyone
i managed to get it up and running
i installed windows 7 andit works fine
slow as shi-t , but works
so i guess it was a combination of ****-y code on both side - ccp and microsoft :)
just enough to change skills so works fine :)
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