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Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.07.31 17:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Mutnin on 31/07/2011 17:37:22 Originally by: Securitas Protector Just calling out that next time you should actually fight us. 15 BC/HACs(you) vs 18 T1 cruisers is not a fair fight nowadays? If that's the case no wonder why fights are so hard to get nowadays. We'll probably be going the same place at the same time during the next few days, so I'm hoping we see you there! Looking forward to it, Sec I'm not in THE4 but I assume you are complaining about F7C and if you are you need to go back to grade school to learn how to count. It was a mixed Cal Militia gang not just the4, we had 5 BC's 1 of which was having internet issues and kept disconnecting. Aside from the 5 BC's we had a Vaga, Rook & 2 ceptors. That is 9 ships at our peak of that gang and I think it was less when you guys jumped in. (think were were down to 4 BC by then) Needless to say 9 (5 of which were BC) does not equal 15 BC's Learn 2 count..
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.07.31 17:47:00 - [2] Originally by: Securitas Protector Edited by: Securitas Protector on 31/07/2011 17:44:12 Originally by: Mutnin Edited by: Mutnin on 31/07/2011 17:37:22 Originally by: Securitas Protector Just calling out that next time you should actually fight us. 15 BC/HACs(you) vs 18 T1 cruisers is not a fair fight nowadays? If that's the case no wonder why fights are so hard to get nowadays. We'll probably be going the same place at the same time during the next few days, so I'm hoping we see you there! Looking forward to it, Sec I'm not in THE4 but I assume you are complaining about F7C and if you are you need to go back to grade school to learn how to count. It was a mixed Cal Militia gang not just the4, we had 5 BC's 1 of which was having internet issues and kept disconnecting. Aside from the 5 BC's we had a Vaga, Rook & 2 ceptors. That is 9 ships at our peak of that gang and I think it was less when you guys jumped in. (think were were down to 4 BC by then) Needless to say 9 (5 of which were BC) does not equal 15 BC's Learn 2 count.. There were definitely more than 5 BCs mate. Also there was a Lachesis and a couple of HACs as well. The hilarious part is that you guys deigned not to engage not because of our numbers, but because we were in "arty ruptures" which could alpha past logistics, apparently. Despite the fact that you had no logistics. If you are talking about last night in F7C then this is all we had other than the 2 ceptors.. http://bdeal.org/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=38811 We killed your bait Myrm & tried to kill the Drake but you guys spiked local with 15 or 20 so we ran away.. Think you guys caught a Vaga & Drake or something.
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.07.31 17:57:00 - [3] Edited by: Mutnin on 31/07/2011 18:04:24 Originally by: Securitas Protector We had no bait myrm or drake. ;) oh nm that was Bdeal that came in shortly after you guys with 15 or so BC's.. Well, regardless you can look and see what we had. There sure wasn't any Lach's nor did we have 15 BC's. This is all we had at the peak of that lil gang last night.. (9 ships 5 of which were BC's and no logi) It was likely less than that by the time you guys rolled through, because we had 1 or 2 guys leave early on. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13922634 edit, I take it back we had a Lach early on but he was 1st guy to leave and was gone long b4 you guys showed up. I assume your scout didn't keep accurate numbers count as time progressed, because we bled off a few guys pretty early on.
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.07.31 18:33:00 - [4] Originally by: WHYWAT4 Originally by: Securitas Protector Edited by: Securitas Protector on 31/07/2011 17:21:01 If you care about k/d ratio you're probably better off not pvping at all. A fun fight is a fun fight and a rare and valuable thing. People should take it whenever they can. What is wrong with you? Maybe losing their more valuble ships would not have been fun for them? Whyever not? Doesn't the experience of a fun fight (which they would have won tbh because I'm a terrible, terrible FC) overshadow some number ingame? It's not like ISK is hard to make anymore. We are always up for fun fights, but I think you have to be fair and admit that you guys easily out numbered us and even with just Ruptures they can lay the hurt down with Arti's. The Vaga, Rook and even if the Lach was still there, would of been useless being we were all at zero when you guys jumped in. Meaning it would of been your 15 or 18 vs 5 BC's DPS wise.. Not such a very GF for our side.
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.07.31 20:02:00 - [5] Originally by: Securitas Protector v0v I disagree. The rook can probably jam at least 3 of us, the Vaga easily does the DPS of another Cane(almost anyway) and can practically sigtank us at 0. And since we WERE at 0 your autocanes could melt a Rupture every few seconds. It's easy to disagree when you out number the other side 2 to 1, but I assume you still somehow mange to think we had 15 BC's.
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.08.01 04:49:00 - [6] Originally by: nemississ Edited by: nemississ on 01/08/2011 01:22:54 I was not there but i think I quoted the important part.. See that's what's wrong, even the guys from your alliance that were there don't seem to have much of a clue so how could you.
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.08.01 17:40:00 - [7] Edited by: Mutnin on 01/08/2011 17:43:44 Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Sounds like you have a reputation for hot-dropping everything and/or make use of a bazillion neutral RR alts. Even if it just rumoured you will be blue balled more often than not. More likely scenario however is that you stared at each other on a gate, and being the lowly curs that you evidently are you adamantly refused to take GCC and then hurried to forums whining about it when the other party also refused. Na what they had wasn't that bad, it was just we were all at zero on a gate with 10 freaking bubbles around it. We had 5 BC's max & a Vagabond for DPS and our Rook was useless for that fight because it was rainbow fit. I think when these guys came by we were down to 4 BC's at that time 3 of which were Arti canes that didn't have a lot of tank. Meaning trying to fight 18 T1 cruises even with their ****ty Osprey logistics was a bit much when we were all at 0 of the gate. Had we had 5 ore 6 Drakes then it would of been a different story, because we likely could of taken on those numbers and had a close fight, but Arti Cane just don't have the for tank kind of fight up close they need to be at range. These guys just want to come here and cry, because we didn't fight them. I suspect they will have a very disappointing life in EVE if they feel the need to come cry on a forum every time they get blue balled.
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.08.01 20:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis That was a lot of :words: to say "we're cowards and we ran from ruptures." I always love when the hero troll alts come out of the wood work. It's when you know someone is mad.
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.08.02 00:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Securitas Protector Edited by: Securitas Protector on 01/08/2011 23:18:59 I don't see many tears from us. You started a entire topic and posted on at least 2 forums about not getting 1 specific fight from us, while exaggerating the fleet comps by 2 times to make it appear as we had over whelming force and ran in fear. Sounds a lot like crying to me, I just decided to correct your numbers after seeing you post same whine on 2 different forums. Also it wasn't a the4 gang, it was a mixed corp gang so dunno why you singling them out. TBH I thought it was pretty stupid to be sitting at zero on the gate but I wasn't FCing it. I only went along because I thought we were gonna roam not camp some gate.
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.08.02 03:09:00 - [10] Edited by: Mutnin on 02/08/2011 03:16:24 Originally by: Julie Beta Originally by: Mutnin Hence the reason I've been joining some of the militia gangs as of late, to at least get some action. LOL Good lord that explains so much. Elite PVPer right here. Make sure to stay in character while you're at it. Totaly carebear & hell I even fly Drakes. This is what is wrong with EVE-0 forums.. too many morons that play tuff guys behind faceless alts. Yet are always proski, when no one can see their KB's. Looks like W&T has gone the same way of C&P, nothing but but useless troll alts posting ****.

Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.08.02 21:39:00 - [11] Edited by: Mutnin on 02/08/2011 21:43:14 Originally by: Securitas Protector Edited by: Securitas Protector on 02/08/2011 20:28:12 Calling someone out is hardly the same as slandering them hth. :) We actually went looking for a rematch last night, but nobody was there so we had to butcher TEST instead. :( You must understand, that gang is the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. Getting no fights after 5 days of roaming is pretty harsh. :( Plenty of ganks, but no satifsying fights. It's like gorging yourself on appetizers but never getting the main course. You called them out for no reason, it was a mix corp gang and there was only 2 members of the4 in that gang, neither of which were the FC so no real reason to focus on them. Not finding fights is something you should get used to because it's pretty common. If it were common then there wouldn't be anything special about them when they do happen. Granted in FW at least between Caldari & Gallente we probably get more than our fair share of GF's. Last night when your gang came through I was in Vlillirer, I watched you guys come into local and leave in less than 2 or 3 mins. You guys were off to Als and then into null and gone again. You were on the radar but left so fast we didn't bother getting anything together. If you are looking for fights, then it's not typically something you will get instantly, unless you just happen to catch a random gang. You need to hang around Black Rise long enough for us to get something together and respond. Have a little patience and wait around a bit and we can typically respond. (sometimes we just don't have enough active guys so it might not happen) In FW we are a lot of smaller mixed corps and the Militia is just like a "rough" alliance that no one controls. Meaning the groups that work with each other do so in intel channels but we typically don't have standing response fleets waiting around idly. We form up when we see a target or people are just bored and want to try to pick a fight. Last night there was a small frig & destroyer gang out roaming when you guys came through but you were gone so fast they would have never had a chance to go re-ship or even catch you. This is some examples of GF's we tend to get, so by no means are we "scared" to engage your T1 cruiser gangs, just don't expect "instant action" because you happen to have a gang formed because we might not have one at the time. Few battle reports from the last month or so..(these are just fights i was in myself or on an alt.. there are lots more so yea we fight a lot)BR's are not links to keep CCP from editing them..so copy & paste.. http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10239695 vs BDeal http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10078288 vs Gal Militia http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=10176305 vs White Noise/Gal Sometimes we out number them, http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10009800 Sometimes we suicide into their home system and die horribly http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9985505 Sometimes we even die horribly and don't even kill a damn thing for our efforts. http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10283816 Just keep in mind we tend to fly a lot of BC's & BS with mixed T2 cruisers. We typically don't fly a lot of T1 cruiser gangs (even though I love Ruptures & Vexors). This means most guys don't have them laying around or ready for a fast response gang, so likely any response will be with a BC gang. (just fyi) Now just be chill and don't get emo if you don't happen to get a fight, the GF's are there but sometimes they just don't work out.

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