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Dirtball
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Posted - 2005.02.28 15:14:00 -
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I miss flying a scorp with 4x425's, in fact I almost bought one again the other day until I found out it didn't have the range bonus anymore, so I got a typhoon instead and it sits in my hangar cause I can't think of a decent setup.
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.02.28 15:44:00 -
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Great Idea. Signed
"The object of war is not to die for your corp, but to make the other b@##@#d die for his" |
Serret
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Posted - 2005.02.28 17:46:00 -
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Sorry, but why bother?
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Jonathan Davis
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Posted - 2005.03.01 23:13:00 -
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BUMP
This a great idea. Devs read this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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GsDaddy
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Posted - 2005.03.01 23:35:00 -
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Not to rain on your party, but there are basically two kinds of scorp pilots in the game: the ones who will get in your face and own you with missiles, torpedoes, and whatever else they have fitted, and the ones who will sit at 175 km with their railguns and 7 multispec jammers and run out of cap.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2005.03.02 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dirtball I miss flying a scorp with 4x425's, in fact I almost bought one again the other day until I found out it didn't have the range bonus anymore, so I got a typhoon instead and it sits in my hangar cause I can't think of a decent setup.
4 720mm IIs, 4 Siege
1 Lif AB, 3 eutectics
2 Large Accomo., 3 hardners, 2 cap relays
14 Heavies
OR - my fav -
4 720mm IIs, 4 Siege,
1 Lif AB, 1 Sensor Booster 2, 2 Tracking Comp IIs
4 Gyro IIs, 3 Ballistics
14 heavy drones -------------------- The Nest
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Stuart85
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Posted - 2005.03.04 12:54:00 -
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Fantastic idea, Caldari need a heavy Gunboat. Signed!
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Captain Dragotahl
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Posted - 2005.03.05 05:54:00 -
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ok as I have made a post about this before I am gonna go ahead and say a definate YES, caldari pilots need a railgun platform bs, but PLEASE dont change the scorpion. I mean come on, lets look at caldari ships for a second. Its all family relationships. Griffin is to blackbird as blackbird is scorpion. Kestrel is to Caracal and Caracal is to Raven. And Merlin is to Moa as Moa is to _______?????? Dont change the Scorpion to make it the big brother of moa. It's already big brother to BB. How about CCP look at the fact that their are only two tiers of bs's and decide to add a third to fix it. A set of tier three bs's should have been added LONG before we got battlecruiser or destroyers, much less tech2 ships. finish giving us tech1 ships before you start on tech2 please.
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.03.05 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Dragotahl ok as I have made a post about this before I am gonna go ahead and say a definate YES, caldari pilots need a railgun platform bs, but PLEASE dont change the scorpion. I mean come on, lets look at caldari ships for a second. Its all family relationships. Griffin is to blackbird as blackbird is scorpion. Kestrel is to Caracal and Caracal is to Raven. And Merlin is to Moa as Moa is to _______?????? Dont change the Scorpion to make it the big brother of moa. It's already big brother to BB. How about CCP look at the fact that their are only two tiers of bs's and decide to add a third to fix it. A set of tier three bs's should have been added LONG before we got battlecruiser or destroyers, much less tech2 ships. finish giving us tech1 ships before you start on tech2 please.
The Scorpion gets no damage bonuses whatsoever. The missile velocity bonus is more or less eye candy, as PvP doesn't really require missiles to travel fast; if they're fired at a target far enough away that velocity bonuses might be handy, the target almost always warps off and they hit nothing anyway.
If the Scorp gets a range bonus it still wouldn't be a ground-breaking damage dealer (and rightly so), but it'll get more DOT and a new role as a sniper to compete with Tachyon Apocs and Howitzer Tempests.
Granted, I didn't say compete and win as both ships previously mentioned have more tricks up their sleeves and slots to fit extra guns.
It's had the bonus once before with no one complaining about it. With upcoming missile and EW changes it needs a way out of the hole it'll probably be dug into. Making it an extreme-range, shield tanked sniper platform with so-so damage is an excellent way for it to retain its popularity.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2005.03.05 12:06:00 -
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Signed.
I'd love to see the Scorpion be viable again as a rail platform. It'd mean I could actually use my large railgun specialization for something on a Caldari ship :P
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Aequitas Veritas
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Posted - 2005.03.05 13:09:00 -
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Well, lets wait and see what the missile changes give the scorpion - as in how good missiles will be at long range after the changes. I agree that long range ECM and missiles at the current state isnt working at all, but I don't think we need to change it unitll then.
Also, caldari is the only race in which then will require you to train and spesialize in TWO different weaponstypes to use the battleships - which is a bad idea - dont gimme the, but caldari takes so short time to train up in, well, things might changed with missile changes and new missile skills, so lets wait and see.
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prsr
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Posted - 2005.03.05 13:27:00 -
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This thread is a little too soon. Wait until a week or two after the new EW and missile changes are implemented and try it again.
For now I don't see any reason why Caldari should have BS with rails as primary weapons and accompanying bonus. Rails are the primary weapon for Gallente and they have the megathron which is supposed to be the ultimate railgun BS (which needs work but let's not go there). The Scorp has a ridiculous amount of med slots and has already earned it's rightful place as an indispensible ship in both small and large fleet engagements.
Caldari are missile spammers with some railguns for added flavour... why change? Every race has a different primary weapon and trying to get CCP to change that now that there might be some percieved negative changes to missiles just sounds childish to me. Accept it and move on please. I know the Tempest pilots did when their primary weapon was nerfed for ages.
Yes, I fly both mega and scorp btw
-- prsr
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2005.03.05 16:49:00 -
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signed, just change bonus from "10% to missile velocity" to "10% to large hybrid optimal" and give it 5h gun slot and nothing else.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.03.05 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Xtro 2
Originally by: Joshua Calvert Give it 5 turret slots, enough grid to fit 'em, and give it tracking/range bonuses for hybrids.
Current bonuses suck.
id reduce the launcher slots as well, making the highslot setup more akin to a dominix if rail bonus's are to be considered, this could be a better trade weapons wise after/if the proposed EW changes kick in.
Making it akin to the Dominix is a simple matter: just increase turret hardpoints and reduce missile. Don't touch powergrid ^^ On second thought, maybe noone'd like that. --
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marioman
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Posted - 2005.03.05 20:15:00 -
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I'd like to see this as well since i recently aquired a scorp, 2 425s and 4 siege kinda suck...lol wanted to use 4 425s and 2 siege (aka big moa) but theres really no point since the missles get a bonus
as for stepping on the megas territory the gallente are notorious for BLASTER boats no railboats, caldari always have favoured rails, gallente the blasters (albeit whether u use them like that is up to u) and caldari have plenty of rails boats just everything is under a BS, we need a good BS railboat imo. You have the ferox (which needs a slight grid boost imo for the rails since every1 just uses 5 heavies lol) which should be 5 250s 2 heavy launchers, the Moa with 4 250s and 2 heavies, and the eagle, the harpy, merlin is more of a balance, and then u have our overall total gunboat with the Cormorant (which might i add also needs a grid boost, cant fit 7 150mm IIs even with a MAPC :\).
So YES!!! I like rails! make scorp a railboat!
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.03.05 21:02:00 -
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prsr use your blasters and dont touch our railguns . Mega is not a railgun platform and never meant to be one.
I also think to keep those pesky gallente away from our guns, CCP should decrease pg and increase cpu requirements on rails (and prolly do other way around with blasters) ____ When flying by Concord Customs Commander's Dominix I distinctly heard him saying "... world domination..." |
Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.03.06 04:00:00 -
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Only thing that should change is the weapon bonus. Don't modify the Scorp in any other way, as it needs nothing else. People flew them with the range bonus before and loved them, just let it relive that old glory. Any other changes would seriously overpower it.
As for the rest of the arguments, I dunno. The Megathron is capable of more DOT with the same weapons and rightly so -- it costs more and is the top Gallente battleship. People use blasters on them to take full advantage of the damage bonus -- that's their choice, but not the only option 'Thron pilots should be subjected to.
This change would be simple and nothing but a rollback of the ship's bonus. Nothing else, despite the vast avenue of possibilities it'd open up. ----------- Fighting for the ideals of freespace, posthuman ethics, and rock & roll. |
Sorja
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Posted - 2005.03.06 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sorja on 06/03/2005 04:13:34
Originally by: prsr I don't see any reason why Caldari should have BS with rails
Because missiles don't hit. Ravens and scorpions are used as... destroyers! in current fleets. They are blasting frigs coming inside NOS range. If this ability is removed from Caldari BSs, what will be left? EW? Maybe, it's not even sure, but not everyone likes being forced into EW. On the other side, as a Caldari pilot, I would really enjoy being able to deal any form of damage in fleet battles. Not like yesterday when during a 15 minutes fleet battle I could land one and only one torpedoes volley. All ennemies had warped out before my missiles could hit them. And tackling in fleets with the current lag system, is... well, difficult.
So leave the Raven as it is, it's the best cash machine in the game, and earns me all the ISK I need from lvl 4 missions to replace my (numerous) lost ships, but give Caldari an option! The Scorpion is the ship of choice, it has to be a gun ship.
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.03.06 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: GsDaddy Not to rain on your party, but there are basically two kinds of scorp pilots in the game: the ones who will get in your face and own you with missiles, torpedoes, and whatever else they have fitted, and the ones who will sit at 175 km with their railguns and 7 multispec jammers and run out of cap.
Missed this one.
About getting in a target's face with torp spam: Who said it wouldn't be able to do that if the velocity bonus got changed? People fit launchers on a Ferox with no drawback, and Typhoons with only Nos & Siege Launchers for offense are still very dangerous. ----------- Fighting for the ideals of freespace, posthuman ethics, and rock & roll. |
xOm3gAx
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Posted - 2005.03.09 20:59:00 -
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Signed....
scorp = gunboat raven = missile boat
would be nice =) ----------------- *Decloaks and starts blasting your sig* Applesauce Biotch
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.03.10 12:30:00 -
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Problem: Railguns already hit further than artillery and tachyons, with a range bonus they would be supreme long range kings and thus making ships like the Tempest lose to them.
With tracking computers and such in mids, the thing could probably hit to 100km with antimatter. So yes it WOULD outdamage a tempest at those ranges.
So it needs to have to fit 350's, as its a tier one ship too.
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KingsGambit
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Posted - 2005.03.10 12:33:00 -
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Nooo! Wait until *after* large missiles are nerfed, if they ever will be. As long as the scorp can fit 4 siege launchers which can kill frigs and the rest with equal ease, leave it as it is!! Then if and when torps/cruise *ever* get changed, then do what you like, we'll all move on to the next FOTM.
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Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2005.03.10 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 10/03/2005 12:33:52 then dont increase its powergrid
but, look, even with such massive ranges, it can only fit 4 railguns
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.03.10 12:35:00 -
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why the hell not, signed. ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante |
JoCool
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Posted - 2005.03.10 13:01:00 -
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Signed. Bring back the Railscorp, give it a 10% range on hybrids and remove the missile speed bonus.
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Alyth
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Posted - 2005.03.10 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: prsr This thread is a little too soon. Wait until a week or two after the new EW and missile changes are implemented and try it again.
For now I don't see any reason why Caldari should have BS with rails as primary weapons and accompanying bonus. Rails are the primary weapon for Gallente and they have the megathron which is supposed to be the ultimate railgun BS (which needs work but let's not go there). The Scorp has a ridiculous amount of med slots and has already earned it's rightful place as an indispensible ship in both small and large fleet engagements.
Caldari are missile spammers with some railguns for added flavour... why change? Every race has a different primary weapon and trying to get CCP to change that now that there might be some percieved negative changes to missiles just sounds childish to me. Accept it and move on please. I know the Tempest pilots did when their primary weapon was nerfed for ages.
Yes, I fly both mega and scorp btw
-- prsr
I agree....wait and see what the changes bring before assuming the worst about a ships role. Then again the idea of Caldari being long range but fragile combatants stops with the Moa. Then they turn into missile spamming space fortresses. Even my Ferox, which is supposedly a rail platform, has 5 launchers and no rails (2x Heavy pulse in the turret slots) simply because it can't physically support its role as a rail platform without some serious help. Its grid is simply too small and supports the shield tank/launcher setup much better which is where the Scorp is falling down too. Even 1500 extra grid would make a huge difference.
pssst.....Blasters are the primary weapons for Gallente ships....check the Navy ships and Serpentis fighters ;)
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:09:00 -
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Too soon?
Too late you mean. The scorpion has only 6 highs. What good are 8 mids when you can't deal damage?
And, please, leave us alone with the Dominix, which is VERY fine ship, can mine, can use drones and can do all sorts of things while the Scorp is an awfully specialized ship.
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Alyth
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:49:00 -
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Yep....wait and see. You never know, with T2 missiles and readjusted EW the Scorp may become more deadly than the Raven with the right kit.
Should that kit be exclusively missile orientated though? I don't think so personally.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.03.10 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 10/03/2005 18:07:30 It wouldn't be balanced. Scorp has too much CPU.
Imagine this:
6x 425mm Rail 2
4x Sensor Booster 2 4x Tracking Computer 2
4x RCU 2/PDU 2/Damage Mods
Every 0.4 would have a Scorp Pirate sitting 350km off a gate or station insta-popping people.
You'd have to lower the CPU and that could potentially hurt the Scorp for it's other use (EW).
Nice idea for fun but you can probably forget about it. Asking for an ub3r ship is silly.
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Buddrow
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Posted - 2005.03.10 22:30:00 -
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ill give that a hell yea mate ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
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