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Karok Vilneram
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.08.05 03:19:00 -
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I actually like using it the way it is but I was thinking this might be kinda cool for a change and maybe more people would use it.
Lose the Nuet amount bonus and get the Curses range bonus. Better or worse?
Lose the TD bonuses and get both the range and power of the Curses nuets? better or worse?
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Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.05 03:26:00 -
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Plenty of people use it, it just takes a bit of micro-management, managing multiple types of EWAR (cap, TD, scrams, webs) AND drones puts alot of people off it... (I run out of F-keys sometimes... ;))
As for the bonuses, leave them as they are, it's much easier for the pilgrim to get in close with being cloaky, so it doesn't need a range bonus to it's neuts like the curse does.
The Ashimmu needs looking at IMHO... --
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.08.05 05:57:00 -
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Hopefully when cyno changes come in the recons will get a derived boost by being the only ones with inherent bonuses to them. Would love to see a script that cuts time at expense of massive fuel increase .. would play nicely into fuel/time bonus on recons.
Doesn't matter if you increase range on Pilgrim neuts either way, since it has but three you'll be hard pressed to argue that it will better off.
PS: TD's are godly. If you don't fear/loathe/love them then you need to get out of the Drakes and into a man's boat!
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Mr Floydy
Amarr The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.08.05 12:44:00 -
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I'd say if anything needs changing on the Pilgrim in my experience its a bit more agility!
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Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
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Posted - 2011.08.05 12:53:00 -
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The Pilgrim is already one of the best solo PVP boats out there, and almost undeniably best-in-class.
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Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.08.05 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 05/08/2011 14:09:52
Originally by: Karok Vilneram Lose the Nuet amount bonus and get the Curses range bonus. Better or worse?
Lose the TD bonuses and get both the range and power of the Curses nuets? better or worse?
Discuss
Range bonus alone kills the ship's ability to solo, and the other suggestion makes the ship really overpowered for a covert cloaking ship. IMO Recons are one of the best-designed classes in the game, each falling into a distinct role on its own and a shared role with the non-covert Recon counterpart of the same race. Making the Pilgrim more like the Curse breaks this trend and unbalances the Amarr Recons completely.
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Spartan dax
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Posted - 2011.08.05 14:47:00 -
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Pilgrim is ok:ish. Main reason for dying is mobility. That said, an Armour resistance bonus would make it epic.
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King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.08.05 20:55:00 -
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The pilgrim is fine. As said, it's already one of the best solo boats in game. It isn't the best ship in fleets but that's fine, it's not like the abaddon is known for it's solo potential.
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s0lar pulse
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Posted - 2011.08.05 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Go Diveher The Pilgrim is already one of the best solo PVP boats out there, and almost undeniably best-in-class.
I wouldn't change it.
Realy? I did not know that. One of the best!? Pilgrim has some good company then. You sure it's one of the best solo ships or just one of the best solo recons?
-proxyyyy
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Feng Schui
Minmatar Cruor Evertum Dominicus
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Posted - 2011.08.06 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Feng Schui on 06/08/2011 02:20:14 changed the role bonus of all recons for all recons to a capacitor use bonus and i'll be happy, ie:
Pilgrim: reduction for cap use on neuts / TD's Arazu: cap use reduction for warp disruptors / scrams / sensor damps Falcon: cap use reduction for ecm / hybrids rapier: cap use reduction for webs / TP's
but keep the ability to use covert cyno launchers on them ofc
edit: why use a multi-million isk ship to launch normal cyno's when you can use a frigate to do the same thing?
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.08.06 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Feng Schui edit: why use a multi-million isk ship to launch normal cyno's when you can use a frigate to do the same thing?
because thats what you have in system and need to titan bridge dudes onto some dreads
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Sphit Ker
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.08.06 14:43:00 -
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I've flown Pilgrim exclusively for a whole month yet very little kills to show for it (patrolling blue territory and harvesting intel around the perimeter systems. aka not hunting per se). Altho the opportunities were plenty, I almost never managed to showboat it's arse in range in due time.
I feel it's just too damn sllloooow. It's an high-end cruiser hull, not an Iteron V!
If it's OK to boost the Pilgrim, give it a velocity bonus while cloaked.
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Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.06 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sphit Ker I've flown Pilgrim exclusively for a whole month yet very little kills to show for it (patrolling blue territory and harvesting intel around the perimeter systems. aka not hunting per se). Altho the opportunities were plenty, I almost never managed to showboat it's arse in range in due time.
I feel it's just too damn sllloooow. It's an high-end cruiser hull, not an Iteron V!
If it's OK to boost the Pilgrim, give it a velocity bonus while cloaked.
Yes, I can agree somewhat with this. It's the element of surprise that gets you targets, but you can be trundling along all cloaky and unseen and just as you get under 10km the target warps off without even knowing you are there... Maybe give them a 150% velocity bonus while cloaked or something?
You can fit it with a LOL nano-shield buffer which improves your agility no end, but it completely gimps your EWAR (you lose 3 slots essentially)... not something I would want to solo in, but can see a use in a gang as the Neut-guy. --
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James Arget
Caldari Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.08.07 19:33:00 -
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The Pilgrim needs to be the closest to a target of all the Force Recons, but is the slowest. This really hurts its ability to engage targets, whether alone or in a gang.
I've given up on it, and use a covert/neut legion instead. With that I can choose between interdiction nullification or chassis optimization, either one giving me a degree of mobility that the Pilgrim just doesn't have.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.08.07 19:59:00 -
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tbh where the pilgrim loses more is actually in mobility.
engagement range... well could be better, but if the ship was more mobile it wouldn't suffer that much from the fact that it needs to work at ranges barely above webrange. ---
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Warlord Shat
Amarr The Illuminatii
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Posted - 2011.08.07 20:50:00 -
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All it needs is an agility increase
To bring it to par with the rest
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Zenith Intaki
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.08.07 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Karok Vilneram I actually like using it the way it is but I was thinking this might be kinda cool for a change and maybe more people would use it.
Lose the Nuet amount bonus and get the Curses range bonus. Better or worse?
Lose the TD bonuses and get both the range and power of the Curses nuets? better or worse?
Discuss
Get rid of the drones... Drones are terrible.... It sucks that recons are forced to use drones as dps...well falcon is just...lol nowadays..
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General Trajan
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.07 22:55:00 -
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since you gotta get in web range to do your thing in this ship, it'd be nice if the drone bay was bigger to use a flight of 5 heavy drones.
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