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Kazius
Caldari Kiss The Girls DUST ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.08.06 06:59:00 -
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Greetings MD, I come here as a new investment so I understand people will be cautious on investing, so I am not putting a minimum investment to allow a lot of people to invest a little money and see a positive return, which will then allow me to build a reputation around here and form a good relationship with my investors as I feel that relationships between investors and myself is key to making a successful business
Basic Required: 10,000,000,000.00 Interest Rate: 10% Collateralized: Partial if Required Start Date: 10/08/2011 (UK) 08/10/11 (US) FAQ #1: Who are you and how can I trust you. I am Kazius; Co-ceo of KI33, I am willing to share any information you require to build trust, I am open to auditÆs, I am not station trading, IÆm asking for an investment based on time. I require such a large sum of money because some things in eve require a large amount of capital to start. I have recently invested over 10 billion isk into my current business model so far. I raised this isk threw the sale of my Photon Scattering Field II BPO, I will provide details if required. #2 so why should I invest in you? IÆm asking you to invest in me because I am more than happy to share almost all information required with my investorÆs keep them up to date on current balanceÆs and volumes being moved, I do not expect people to invest without questions, I am almost always available via eve mail because I use eve gate on my phone so any questions donÆt hesitate to ask. #3 what makes you think that you can keep up with the interest rate you have set? After some in house testing, I believe I am more than capable of paying the interest, upon successful investment I will place all assets not related to this project into a 3rd party as collateral. If the business model is as successful I will increase interest rate and give the option for people to retract there investment with a decent amount of notice. #4 How much collateral? I am unsure how much the collateral will amount to in isk, I will create a list and allow investors to see the collateral and use a trusted 3rd party to hold it for the duration of the investment. It will equal 8 to 9 billion isk. #5 why not use your collateral instead of a MD investment Because I donÆt wish to go through the hassle of reattaining my assets after the isk has been made back, researching BPOÆs, repurchase faction mods and ships. I would also like to gain a positive reputation in MD for future investments.
The Plan 1)Use invested capital to purchase the required items to make the plan a success 2)Spend time with your money turning it into more money 3)To pay interest and initial investment back within 3 months allowing for reinvestment on later projects at a higher interest rate 4)Build a relationship with investors.
Risks 1)Loss of KI33 assets, we will take every precaution possible to protect your investment 2)Lack of investors. If not enough money is generated I will refund 105% of all investments made. So even if youÆre the only one to invest you still make some money. 3)The profits crash. If this starts to happen youÆre isk will be repaid in full. if you wish to talk im able to reply to evemails asap
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Levija Saplina
Supremacy Inc. Not Found.
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Posted - 2011.08.06 07:27:00 -
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And what is it you do exactly ? What is this plan you speak of ?
That would be the first thing to tell us about, so that we can evaluate if we think giving you money is a good idea or not. It's not just about "building trust" and the character, it's also about the seriousness of the venture and the feasibility of the business.
It would seem that some of your corporation's activities (if not all) are 0.0 based. What risk does that imply for your plan.
Another question, your T2 BPO got you over 20 bil Isk. Why not use all of it for your plan, why only use 10 Bil and come here looking for the other 10 Bil ? It seems a bit fishy.
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Kazius
Caldari Kiss The Girls DUST ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.08.06 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: Kazius on 06/08/2011 07:43:48 replied via eve-mail.
Raw materials is the main goal of this, the production and sale of raw materials, i have some figures you can work with to calculate te risk vs return on you investment, and i will also give a details breakdown of how all the isk is spent to investors
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Speccer
Caldari EngageAtCloseRange
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Posted - 2011.08.06 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kazius Edited by: Kazius on 06/08/2011 07:43:48 replied via eve-mail.
Raw materials is the main goal of this, the production and sale of raw materials, i have some figures you can work with to calculate te risk vs return on you investment, and i will also give a details breakdown of how all the isk is spent to investors
So people will get a detailed breakdown after they invest? If you're going to send out your plan willy nilly in eve mails, would you just post it here for transparency and convenience sake?
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Kazius
Caldari Kiss The Girls DUST ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.08.06 08:03:00 -
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Ice mining is the plan, i have a spreadsheet with all applicable numbers on it, it will become avalible via a simple evemail, any other required infomation please feel free to ask
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Speccer
Caldari EngageAtCloseRange
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Posted - 2011.08.06 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kazius Ice mining is the plan, i have a spreadsheet with all applicable numbers on it, it will become avalible via a simple evemail, any other required infomation please feel free to ask
Excuse my ignorance , on what scale will this ice mining be undertaken? 10billion seems erm unnecessary. Are you confident you can provide 10% interest?
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Kazius
Caldari Kiss The Girls DUST ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.08.06 08:08:00 -
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Excuse my ignorance , on what scale will this ice mining be undertaken? 10billion seems erm unnecessary. Are you confident you can provide 10% interest?
its not the scale that requires the investment, scale is sorted its logistics and yes im confident i could provide more than 10% return, i am willing to talk figures if you wish im currently finish off the spreadsheet so if you want a copy evemail me ingame
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Speccer
Caldari EngageAtCloseRange
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Posted - 2011.08.06 08:12:00 -
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I was asking on what scale it will be undertaken as in 100 hulks mining 24/7? Where else can the isk go in a mining operation?
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.08.06 08:16:00 -
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he just got his hands on the new XdeathX mining bot, he needs isk for macks/hulks & 43 new accounts. _________________________________________________
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Speccer
Caldari EngageAtCloseRange
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Posted - 2011.08.06 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge he just got his hands on the new XdeathX mining bot, he needs isk for macks/hulks & 43 new accounts.
It's sad that that's the most logical conclusion.
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Kazius
Caldari Kiss The Girls DUST ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.08.06 08:23:00 -
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it is not the correct conclusion, if you dont wish to invest please dont :) i have offered, if you do not wish to partake please leave, question always welcome,
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Speccer
Caldari EngageAtCloseRange
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Posted - 2011.08.06 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Speccer on 06/08/2011 08:24:43
Originally by: Kazius it is not the correct conclusion, if you dont wish to invest please dont :) i have offered, if you do not wish to partake please leave, question always welcome,
I'm asking questions. They're just not being answered.
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Kazius
Caldari Kiss The Girls DUST ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.08.06 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Speccer Edited by: Speccer on 06/08/2011 08:24:43
Originally by: Kazius it is not the correct conclusion, if you dont wish to invest please dont :) i have offered, if you do not wish to partake please leave, question always welcome,
I'm asking questions. They're just not being answered.
i belive i have answered you questions, i also agreed to submit to an audit,
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Speccer
Caldari EngageAtCloseRange
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Posted - 2011.08.06 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kazius
Originally by: Speccer Edited by: Speccer on 06/08/2011 08:24:43
Originally by: Kazius it is not the correct conclusion, if you dont wish to invest please dont :) i have offered, if you do not wish to partake please leave, question always welcome,
I'm asking questions. They're just not being answered.
i belive i have answered you questions, i also agreed to submit to an audit,
Indeed you have answered my questions through evemail.
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Levija Saplina
Supremacy Inc. Not Found.
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Posted - 2011.08.06 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Levija Saplina on 06/08/2011 09:24:04 I got my hands on his spreadsheet.
I'll be taking a look at it during the day when I have a bit of time.
Edit : Actually, never-mind, I did take a look at it since it's only 4 lines.
I would suggest preparing your investment a bit more.
You're going to want to show where the 10 billion will go, not just how much isk you can make per hour. I am assuming the 10 billion will be used to fund the purchase of various ships (rorqual, mackinaws, etc). I would make a detailed purchase list, including full fit prices. I'm assuming that your miners will not work for free, so you might want to make a breakdown of how much their salary will be, what % fee you will be taking, how will the revenues be divided so that investors can see how their money will be used, and if the 10% return on investment is justified.
Just a couple of things you can start by doing, after that I'm sure more questions will come along ^^
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.06 09:24:00 -
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I don't see why he can't just post a link to his spreadsheet in google docs and answer questions in this forum thread.
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Speccer
Caldari EngageAtCloseRange
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Posted - 2011.08.06 10:05:00 -
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Even though I doubt anyone would pledge any ISK to this investment given it's current state, after my barrage of questions Kazius has provided me with his FULL API and User ID. As such I'll be going through that and noting anything of worth to the thread.
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Kazius
Caldari Kiss The Girls DUST ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.08.06 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn I don't see why he can't just post a link to his spreadsheet in google docs and answer questions in this forum thread.
i have been doing some numbers,
mining for 2 hours a day when i work and 5 horus when i dont, with all avliable miners, i pull just shy of 5 billion isk a week i aimed high with 10 billion isk, aim high, with low expectations, i mainly require the money for logistical problems i currently am having, moving large ammounts of uncompressed ice is hard, so i want to use the isk generated here to purchase a rorq/fittings/ compression bpo's then if i get enough i will buy a JF to streamline things more so.
i am in the process of adding all of this to the spreadsheet i pass off earlier,
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Speccer
Caldari EngageAtCloseRange
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Posted - 2011.08.06 10:48:00 -
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Right well, I've gone through the information provided by his full API and I'll lay out the facts..
- He cannot currently fly a Rorqual although he is not far off. - His correspondence with the friends and corpmates suggests that the investment will not pay itself off and he has specifically asked for help paying it off if he does get the capital, with no response from the character he was talking with. - There is alot of correspondence crunching numbers for the cost of running the mining characters and annual profits relating to this investment but again, see above. - Evemails with corpmates suggest that he is legit but they are all very recent and could evidently easily be a ruse.
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Kazius
Caldari Kiss The Girls DUST ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.08.06 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Speccer Right well, I've gone through the information provided by his full API and I'll lay out the facts..
- He cannot currently fly a Rorqual although he is not far off. - His correspondence with the friends and corpmates suggests that the investment will not pay itself off and he has specifically asked for help paying it off if he does get the capital, with no response from the character he was talking with. - There is alot of correspondence crunching numbers for the cost of running the mining characters and annual profits relating to this investment but again, see above. - Evemails with corpmates suggest that he is legit but they are all very recent and could evidently easily be a ruse.
I'm not the rorq pilot, im a hulk and orca pilot :) i would like to know where you suggest that the investment will not pay its self off, so i can sort that issue asap its a very recent business model, and im glad you came back so fast with the audit :) please answer my questions as i have a concert where you obtained the infomation
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Speccer
Caldari EngageAtCloseRange
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Posted - 2011.08.06 10:57:00 -
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I'm not the rorq pilot, im a hulk and orca pilot :) i would like to know where you suggest that the investment will not pay its self off, so i can sort that issue asap its a very recent business model, and im glad you came back so fast with the audit :) please answer my questions as i have a concert where you obtained the infomation
Not so much as an audit as a background checkish thing but I was refering to your evemail with Degarion Soth
"i am in the process of placing an 10 billion isk loan request on the eve-o forums if you give me the go ahead, i will use that isk to buy pos's, a rorq, and maybe another ice miner or two,
i will require your help to repay the investment but i figure if we can get it we will be able to move things along alot quicker"
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Levija Saplina
Supremacy Inc. Not Found.
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Posted - 2011.08.06 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Speccer
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I'm not the rorq pilot, im a hulk and orca pilot :) i would like to know where you suggest that the investment will not pay its self off, so i can sort that issue asap its a very recent business model, and im glad you came back so fast with the audit :) please answer my questions as i have a concert where you obtained the infomation
Not so much as an audit as a background checkish thing but I was refering to your evemail with Degarion Soth
"i am in the process of placing an 10 billion isk loan request on the eve-o forums if you give me the go ahead, i will use that isk to buy pos's, a rorq, and maybe another ice miner or two,
i will require your help to repay the investment but i figure if we can get it we will be able to move things along alot quicker"
I would assume by that he means he will need more than one miner and is asking for help on the whole venture.
But that's just my two cents.
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Kazius
Caldari Kiss The Girls DUST ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.08.06 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Levija Saplina
Originally by: Speccer
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I'm not the rorq pilot, im a hulk and orca pilot :) i would like to know where you suggest that the investment will not pay its self off, so i can sort that issue asap its a very recent business model, and im glad you came back so fast with the audit :) please answer my questions as i have a concert where you obtained the infomation
Not so much as an audit as a background checkish thing but I was refering to your evemail with Degarion Soth
"i am in the process of placing an 10 billion isk loan request on the eve-o forums if you give me the go ahead, i will use that isk to buy pos's, a rorq, and maybe another ice miner or two,
i will require your help to repay the investment but i figure if we can get it we will be able to move things along alot quicker"
I would assume by that he means he will need more than one miner and is asking for help on the whole venture.
But that's just my two cents.
this would be a correct assumption :) he is the CEO of Ki33 and he would be helping me with the mining venture
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.06 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 06/08/2011 11:45:58 Edited by: RAW23 on 06/08/2011 11:45:44 If you have 8-9bil available in collateral I would suggest splitting the investment into two tranches, one secured and one non-secured. I will happily fill 8-9bil (depending on the collateral value) of this at 5% if I hold the collateral. That means you will then only need a 1-2bil uncollateralised loan, which should be considerably easier to get than 10bil partially collateralised. And if you pay 10% on the uncollateralised portion and 5% on the collateralised you will save quite a lot of money in interest payments.
Edit - I can also research you BPOs for them whilst I hold them.
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OllieNorth
Gallente R-K Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.06 12:58:00 -
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I still don't understand what you need 10 bil for. Also, the old "respond to forum questions in evemail" bit makes me nervous. If you want public funds, you need public disclosure. RAW23 once again seems to have a good plan. Tough to go wrong with someone researching your collateral while they are holding it.
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Kazius
Caldari Kiss The Girls DUST ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.08.06 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 06/08/2011 11:45:58 Edited by: RAW23 on 06/08/2011 11:45:44 If you have 8-9bil available in collateral I would suggest splitting the investment into two tranches, one secured and one non-secured. I will happily fill 8-9bil (depending on the collateral value) of this at 5% if I hold the collateral. That means you will then only need a 1-2bil uncollateralised loan, which should be considerably easier to get than 10bil partially collateralised. And if you pay 10% on the uncollateralised portion and 5% on the collateralised you will save quite a lot of money in interest payments.
Edit - I can also research you BPOs for them whilst I hold them.
RAW23 your offer is of the highest interest to me, i will compose a list of assets used as collateral and mail it over to you if you wish and you can decide for yourself on the total value and i will apply for an unsercured loan at a higher % on the remains, althou i would be willing to go to 12.5%-15% to gain the full ammount from yourself.
as for the not answering questions in this thread but via eve mail. i have made people aware of all details disclosed via eve mail, except the spreadsheet which i am in the process of reworking to show more detail and expand on points that people have made to allow other to see the full breakdown of costs and expenditure to show how it all pays back the proposed 10%
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.06 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kazius
RAW23 your offer is of the highest interest to me, i will compose a list of assets used as collateral and mail it over to you if you wish and you can decide for yourself on the total value and i will apply for an unsercured loan at a higher % on the remains ...
That's great. I'll go through the collateral list today and hopefully we can work something out fairly quickly.
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Kazius
Caldari Kiss The Girls DUST ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.08.06 13:53:00 -
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That's great. I'll go through the collateral list today and hopefully we can work something out fairly quickly.
i mailed it over a rough assets list, i will go over it later and confirm everything
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Degarion Soth
Minmatar Kiss The Girls DUST ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.08.06 14:44:00 -
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just to note this is a project Kazius has discussed with me and I have jointly agreed with him that this is part of an allaince effort, kazius will not be trying to run this solo thus reducing chances of failure.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.06 15:10:00 -
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I've had a look at the rough collateral list and assuming the final list is pretty close I will cover 9bil secured at 5% plus the last bil unsecured at 10% for a monthly interest bill of 550mil. All the collateral will need to be located in highsec though.
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