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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.10 08:41:00 -
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There has been two shootings in the whole of the riots, one of them was the police shooting a gangster. More people were killed by a car ramming into them last night so it looks to me like guns are not as simple to get get as some here would think.
I was going to take a trip to manchester to visit a few museums but I dont think I want my car getting turned into a roman candle
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.10 11:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Kijo Rikki
Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 10/08/2011 02:11:38
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lol, And?
Just pointing out that gun ownership makes it easier for the bad guys to get guns and simultaneously points out a fallacy that guns somehow prevent crime...nothing like having your own gun stolen from you to point that out.
It doesn't actually, look at Canada and their gun laws and the amount of weaponry getting into the wrong hands.
The only problem with US gun laws is the fact that gun shows are very unregulated. If those loopholes were closed you'd see less guns reaching those who shouldn't have one.
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.08.10 12:51:00 -
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Morning, Barakkus,
I was about to rebut on the link I posted, where 600k were stolen from households and only 70k were reported missing or stolen from reputable dealers. Then I realized that was 70k on roughly 10% audited.
In any case, on that same link I wound up on 'Trace the Guns', an interactive map that shows a states gun laws, the amount of crime guns imported and exported through that state and the time to crime stats. Rather interesting, though I wouldn't know entirely what to make of it.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2011.08.10 13:31:00 -
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Interesting how CNN makes no mention of the 3 dead in the riots so far, is it wild guessing it's because they're asian and most likely muslim?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.10 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones
Just so you Euros know...not every American is as ignorant and violent as Bart Starr.
UK has lower crime rates.
UK has lower incarceration rates.
UK has lower rate of gun ownership.
But go ahead and tell a group of people living across an ocean how they should live their lives. You are an ignorant, untraveled, uneducated individual. May the gods have mercy on your soul.
We already educated you people on how you can't tell us to live ours. The year was 1776.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
IPCC is not part of the police.
But where will they be getting their information? From the deceased via seance, or the police?
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:16:00 -
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Having watched a bit of footage, and looked at pics from the riots.... Is it some kind of law in the UK that everyone own a black or grey hoodie?
Forget the color of the people thats the one thing I noticed everyone and their uncle is wearing a hoodie.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: baltec1
IPCC is not part of the police.
But where will they be getting their information? From the deceased via seance, or the police?
You know when someone commits a crime and the police needs to find evidence to see who did what to who to prove who did the crime? Yea its kinda like that only the IPCC is ivestigating the police rather than a criminal.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Necran on 10/08/2011 15:43:32
Originally by: baltec1
You know when someone commits a crime and the police needs to find evidence to see who did what to who to prove who did the crime? Yea its kinda like that only the IPCC is ivestigating the police rather than a criminal.
In theory it should work that way. I'm not as optimistic it will, but i do hope you're right.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 10/08/2011 15:45:52
Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: baltec1
You know when someone commits a crime and the police needs to find evidence to see who did what to who to prove who did the crime? Yea its kinda like that only the IPCC is ivestigating the police rather than a criminal.
I'm not as optimistic, but i do hope you're right.
They nailed a copper who ****d some women up here a while ago. The IPCC is rather good at getting to the bottom of what happened.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 10/08/2011 15:50:25
Originally by: Kijo Rikki
Morning, Barakkus,
I was about to rebut on the link I posted, where 600k were stolen from households and only 70k were reported missing or stolen from reputable dealers. Then I realized that was 70k on roughly 10% audited.
In any case, on that same link I wound up on 'Trace the Guns', an interactive map that shows a states gun laws, the amount of crime guns imported and exported through that state and the time to crime stats. Rather interesting, though I wouldn't know entirely what to make of it.
Lots of guns in the hands of criminals actually come from the government
"Fast and Furious" was intended to be a false flag operation against the 2nd Amendment. Their mistake was to make noise about guns being purchased in the US and snuck into Mexico, BEFORE actually facilitating that themselves. The BATFE is caught red-handed on this one. Even the gun stores tried to warn the BATFE and were told to sell the guns anyway.
But that's what was "walked" over the border. Here's a collection of links involving 30000 guns that the US government "facilitated" into the hands of drug cartels. Cartel guns have a tendency to end up BACK in the US too, and the usual blood dance from the media ensues when some politically incorrect gun (all black, detachable magazine, etc) is found at a crime scene.
Now as for the "gun show loophole", here's a case of a known illegal alien with a legal Texas ID buying a gun illegally and the seller ends up in prison while the alien is still in the US.
(this should be a clue as to how closing the so-called loophole will really work: with unintended consequences).
In the end, we have guns because we are freemen bearing arms - and this is older than the Constitution. Real freedom is NOT asking for permission or gaining the approval of others, or even needing an excuse. People ask me why I have a gun, I say, because I have the right to. Anyone thinking otherwise is welcome to turn democracy into a weapon against liberty and vote in disarmament, and thus make welcome the opportunity to carry out the instructions in the preamble of the Declaration of Independence (the one about "throwing off" bad government).
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel
Having watched a bit of footage, and looked at pics from the riots.... Is it some kind of law in the UK that everyone own a black or grey hoodie?
Forget the color of the people thats the one thing I noticed everyone and their uncle is wearing a hoodie.
It's the country of Robin Hood, how can you be a robbing hood without said hood?
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Necran on 10/08/2011 16:03:23
Originally by: baltec1
They nailed a copper who ****d some women up here a while ago. The IPCC is rather good at getting to the bottom of what happened.
With **** cases you've got DNA evidence and a living victim who can identify features of a persons body not normally seen. But in a situation like this all you've got are witnesses, if there even are witnesses aside from police, and they first have to decide to testify against the police, something which could make life difficult for them down the road, and after that it's a matter of them being believed. "Just look at them, they're clearly poor, and black, too! I suggest their biased testimony be stricken from the record, your honour. We can only trust the word of our noble officers who've humbly given their lives to selfless service of the populace, and should not allow them to be defamed like this by common criminals."
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:29:00 -
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Hey I just realized something.
What was going on in Britain that was making big news BEFORE these riots?
I said already that there is always a ready supply of knuckleheads ready to riot for any reason, any time. But why now?
What was making the headlines in Britain before this stuff started?
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:32:00 -
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I honestly feel safer because Herzog is here with his gun posts.
It's an exellent distraction from the facts about what is going on.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari
Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Hey I just realized something.
What was going on in Britain that was making big news BEFORE these riots?
I said already that there is always a ready supply of knuckleheads ready to riot for any reason, any time. But why now?
What was making the headlines in Britain before this stuff started?
FTSE dropping, economy going down the pan etc..
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Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:39:00 -
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Here's a thing that happened over 100 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Outrage
Where several (almost entirely) unarmed citizens helped chase down 2 armed robbers.
Handgun ownership without a similar sense of duty wouldn't change the current situation in London much.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:49:00 -
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More questions:
- what would have happened if anyone, instead of atacking private property, attempted to burn down parliament? Where the police "standing down and observing" there?
- What would the police do to you if you went running up to these "youths" and attempted to unmask them?
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
I honestly feel safer because Herzog is here with his gun posts.
It's an exellent distraction from the facts about what is going on.
Shh, we're ignoring him for good reason.
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.08.10 17:01:00 -
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.10 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
In the end, we have guns because we are freemen bearing arms - and this is older than the Constitution. Real freedom is NOT asking for permission or gaining the approval of others, or even needing an excuse. People ask me why I have a gun, I say, because I have the right to. Anyone thinking otherwise is welcome to turn democracy into a weapon against liberty and vote in disarmament, and thus make welcome the opportunity to carry out the instructions in the preamble of the Declaration of Independence (the one about "throwing off" bad government).
There is so much stuff I find deplorable about attitudes that tend to manifest on the American right but I could forgive them almost anything for their genuine attachment to this ethos.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.10 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Necran on 10/08/2011 17:04:37
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Hey I just realized something.
What was going on in Britain that was making big news BEFORE these riots?
I said already that there is always a ready supply of knuckleheads ready to riot for any reason, any time. But why now?
What was making the headlines in Britain before this stuff started?
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
More questions:
- what would have happened if anyone, instead of atacking private property, attempted to burn down parliament? Where the police "standing down and observing" there?
- What would the police do to you if you went running up to these "youths" and attempted to unmask them?
I think you're suggesting agent provocateurs? It's certainly possible, with police being caught red handed doing it before. I personally don't think so in this case, though. Economic instability is nothing new, and it still makes top news next to the riots. If they were planning on distracting people they're a little late, and doing it wrong.
I think TPTB in Britain were completely blindsided by this.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.10 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
I honestly feel safer because Herzog is here with his gun posts.
It's an exellent distraction from the facts about what is going on.
Shh, we're ignoring him for good reason.
Hey I can see that!
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.08.10 17:45:00 -
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I still feel mankind, as a whole, should suffer some sort of cataclysm (meteors coming crashing into us, somebody shooting nukes, bananaphones being released, etc..) so that it could get a culling.
and I do mean a nasty one, back to 1/10th of what we are now.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.10 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
I still feel mankind, as a whole, should suffer some sort of cataclysm (meteors coming crashing into us, somebody shooting nukes, bananaphones being released, etc..) so that it could get a culling.
and I do mean a nasty one, back to 1/10th of what we are now.
It's just the greedy psychopathic corporate bastards who need a culling. Your average person just wants to live a comfortable life among friends and family. The Earth can sustain many more people as long as corporate greed isn't raping and polluting the planet.
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core
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Posted - 2011.08.10 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
I still feel mankind, as a whole, should suffer some sort of cataclysm (meteors coming crashing into us, somebody shooting nukes, bananaphones being released, etc..) so that it could get a culling.
and I do mean a nasty one, back to 1/10th of what we are now.
I'm sure your friends and family appreciate you wishing it'd be a good thing if they died.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.10 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Grimpak
I still feel mankind, as a whole, should suffer some sort of cataclysm (meteors coming crashing into us, somebody shooting nukes, bananaphones being released, etc..) so that it could get a culling.
and I do mean a nasty one, back to 1/10th of what we are now.
It's just the greedy psychopathic corporate bastards who need a culling. Your average person just wants to live a comfortable life among friends and family. The Earth can sustain many more people as long as corporate greed isn't raping and polluting the planet.
Might as well just end us all now
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.10 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Hey I just realized something.
What was going on in Britain that was making big news BEFORE these riots?
I said already that there is always a ready supply of knuckleheads ready to riot for any reason, any time. But why now?
What was making the headlines in Britain before this stuff started?
Oh. my. god. They are rioting over Amy Whinehouse?????? 'The man' killed her as well???
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.10 18:56:00 -
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I wouldn't doubt that police forces, especially in corrupt cities are capable of really rotten stuff. Like threatening to 'blow peoples brains out' simply for having a concealed permit.
In the battle between rioters and police, I will take the side of the police. However I have a healthy suspicion of them as well, especially in countries like the UK where they are doing their best to regulate every aspect of life. They even have 'KNIFE' control in england. (no knives over a certain length unless you are a chef) for chrissakes.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.10 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr
Oh. my. god. They are rioting over Amy Whinehouse?????? 'The man' killed her as well???
Depends. Is it possible to roll one up in paper and smoke him? Or perhaps she tried to directly inject him into a vein.
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