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Versuvius Marii
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Posted - 2011.08.09 05:19:00 -
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I run my missions in Amarr space with a Nightmare. It's great fun, and I love how it puts out so much DPS even Guristas and Gallente melt pretty quickly. Not as quick as Sansha or Blood mind, but still pretty impressive. Just warp in to a mission, load up Imp Navy Multifreq, and begin eating rats without moving unless there are gates. It's a play style I've gotten very used to and am very comfortable with.
I am more or less max'd out on training to improve the Nightmare; just Large Beam Spec 5 and it's all done. And rather predictably, I find it's a bit crap against Angels. So here's the thing. I want a second ship, one that I can use against those Cartel guys, and maybe take against some of the kin/therm tanking rats.
Which would be better; Machariel or Vargur, or something else? I'm not at all keen on using anything Caldari as I don't want to have to use missiles when I've got over 10mil SP in gunnery. I am swinging towards an arty Vargur as I can keep the way I play and transfer a lot of skills over, needing mostly the Marauder skill and T2 large arties to bring that up to speed. But I'm aware that for Angels, the Mach with AC's might be a better option given that Angel rats close right in on top of you and screw with your tracking(important if you're sporting a set of 1400's).
A Sleipnir has been considered too, but I feel it may be underpowered compared to a Nightmare's raw DPS and ease of application of said DPS so probably won't stress too much over that one... but as I say, I'm open to suggestions :)
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luvmehard
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.09 06:39:00 -
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Since you are accustomed to standing still, get a Vargur and fit Autocannons.
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Domyn
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Posted - 2011.08.09 07:18:00 -
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If you want to go up against angels, autocannons are a must, and wether you use the vargur or the machariel is mostly just a matter of personal preference.
However if you also look to put some artillery on once in a while, you will have to go with the mach since the vargur lacks powergrid for 1400s
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2011.08.09 10:16:00 -
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I would use a mach.
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Versuvius Marii
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Posted - 2011.08.09 18:34:00 -
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It's looking like an AC Vargur then, it'll certainly save me some iskies compared to a Mach. Not a major concern, the isk, but there doesn't seem to be much point in wasting the stuff on a close-to-1bil ship when a Vargur does the same job by the sounds of it, and comes in a bit cheaper.
Cheers all :)
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Substantia Nigra
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Posted - 2011.08.11 00:18:00 -
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Machariel slices thru angels lvl4s like a hot knife thru butter ... even with T1 800mm A/Cs. She doesn't tank some of them with the impunity that my rattlesnake or tengu does, but when you're one-shotting cruisers it doesn't take long to gank the enemy down to a more moderate level of incoming DPS.
I don't fly the vargur but expect it's going to be similar ... but nowhere near as sexy looking. |
Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.11 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: luvmehard Since you are accustomed to standing still, get a Vargur and fit Autocannons.
This!
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
Versuvius Marii
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Posted - 2011.08.12 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Substantia Nigra Machariel slices thru angels lvl4s like a hot knife thru butter ... even with T1 800mm A/Cs. She doesn't tank some of them with the impunity that my rattlesnake or tengu does, but when you're one-shotting cruisers it doesn't take long to gank the enemy down to a more moderate level of incoming DPS.
I don't fly the vargur but expect it's going to be similar ... but nowhere near as sexy looking.
Ha, gank tank ftw!
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Ildryn
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Posted - 2011.08.12 22:53:00 -
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I solo AE4 in a Machariel and get it done about 10 minutes faster. That is including the bonus room.
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McRoll
Minmatar Heatseekers
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Posted - 2011.08.13 14:40:00 -
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Go for the Vargur, too many people are claiming Mach is better without having flown both. Feels always good to earn some extra isks while missioning, especially since trit bars seem to rise in price again.
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Ildryn
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Posted - 2011.08.13 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ildryn on 13/08/2011 19:01:43
Originally by: McRoll Go for the Vargur, too many people are claiming Mach is better without having flown both. Feels always good to earn some extra isks while missioning, especially since trit bars seem to rise in price again.
I have flown both. In fact i flew the Vargur first. Vargur with 4 800mm t2 = 946dps 2698alpha 5 hammerheads tracking is .07 Machariel with 7 800mm t2 = 1020dps 2951alpha 5 hammerheads tracking is .067
That is eft and both using RF EMP and 3 Gyros. Machariel has smaller sig radius and better scan res. You can use it on all missions just like the Vargur however the Machariel is faster, better Sensor strength, and better fall off for hitting those targets past 70k with high damage ammo.
So too many people are claiming the Vargur is better without trying both. Edit: Right McRoll?
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