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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.10 13:36:00 -
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Meissa, you know where to solve the mining problem, and it's not in the wormholes.
Wormholes = active miners
Besides, if you even think you're safe mining at a site in a wormhole you are wrong. Are you sure no one mapped the wormhole before you logged in thus you wont see probes on scan ?
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.10 14:09:00 -
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If it's more desirable to mine in WH, why mine in 0.0?
If you sort out the first part of my post you have fixed this question.
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.10 14:30:00 -
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Meissa, could we see the numbers on the individuall minerals coming from wormholes and the ones coming from various null sec regions so we can compare them ?
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:32:00 -
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I'd go to null if there would be this one thing implemented:
>You are about to leave empire space, be adviced that doing so you will not be able to return here on your own choice. We will only provide medical care for your clones but will not aid in the transportation of goods coming from those boundless lands beyond our limits. May you strike riches and fame, fly safe and good luck<
Personally that is.
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 02:14:00 -
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Greed is good isnt it ? |
Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 02:35:00 -
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Clearly there is to much interaction between empire and null sec.
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 03:29:00 -
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If you love them ( sarcasticly ), why change them ?
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 08:51:00 -
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A while ago a request was made on the forums aimed at CCP to implement bounties on a particular type of npc. Prior, during and after this request no bounties were added. How exactly, if you have an over abundance of minerals, do you make any isk from npc's without bounties ?
What will you do with the ore you mine in null ? Hand over a fixed % to the station owner for use of the refinery, or would you compress the ores and make use of your local bridge and move it to empire to make full pay ?
@meissa.
If the availabillity of the resources in empire breaks the local industry in null, then why dont you cut off the accessabillity instead of going on a crusade to remove something from an area that is also available, and accessable in null sec.
People should go to null sec to carve their own empires, not to hang on a lifeline from their roots to keep them afloat.
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 09:18:00 -
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So the problem isnt really the minerals ( large or small ) delivered to high sec through wormholes, but the inabillity to sustain a valid industry in null. ?
So, change null sec then. Buff it sufficiently to make it viable to have an industry. >But< once that is settled in, cut the ties with empire.
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Toshimo Kamiya
Originally by: Hroya So the problem isnt really the minerals ( large or small ) delivered to high sec through wormholes, but the inabillity to sustain a valid industry in null. ?
It is entirely possible, and likely, that both things are a problem.
There are many possibillities we could look at that could be concidered contributing to the problem. Some discussed at lenght, others barely meantioned or avoided all together.
But what does appear to be verified contributer to the problem is the inabillity to even try and setup a proper independant industry in your null sec empires.
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Hroya So the problem isnt really the minerals ( large or small ) delivered to high sec through wormholes, but the inabillity to sustain a valid industry in null. ?
So, change null sec then. Buff it sufficiently to make it viable to have an industry. >But< once that is settled in, cut the ties with empire.
This will produce some very interesting effects in hi-sec. Most of which would, in the long term, be very positive, I think.
But there will be a hell of a lot of hi-sec mice complaining that someone moved their cheese if this happens.
Yes, i am aware of the massive effect it would have on both empire and null.
Personally i think empire should be a low level playfield, protected by your npc police. I would love it if no goods at all could enter or leave empire space, seperating both npc protected space from player controlled space. Only way to ship things in or out would have to be wormholes.
It would be a riot of huge proportion but then again, you want the goodies ? Go get them or pay through the nose on the limited supply market.
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 09:46:00 -
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It may not be your objective but i sure wouldnt mind seeing the ties cut.
And, if ever, that should happen i'ld be on the first boat heading out to null and help out in the industry there.
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 11:15:00 -
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Lets not derail the topic with unpleasant mockery back and forth. If there is an issue in the game, lets try to focus on it and come up with ways to solve it. First off, identify what exactly the problem is. Then aid in solving the problem.
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 14:29:00 -
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I think it's allready clear that wormholes in their current state are NOT the actuall problem. It's just a subject to lash out on because to adress the reall problem would take balls and an uproar to solve.
The question is, when would they have said balls to solve a simple problem ?
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 15:13:00 -
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If you want ABC ores in null sec then they are in the correct location allready. Last time i checked the left top corner of the screen inside a wormhole it reads 0.0
I am quite convinced the issue isnt wormholes and their abc ore. What is the issue ? Control ? You wont get people to move to your vast empires out there because of ores only being available there, so who do you want them for out there ?
If your empires out there have an issue then solve it there. What's stopping you from going into those wormholes and claim those ores for yourself ? effort ? Inconvinient logistics ?
You're not adressing the reall issue and neihter will this topic hand you a sollution unless you're willing to take some bold actions. Takes balls to make them, are you up for it ? |
Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Hroya If you want ABC ores in null sec then they are in the correct location allready. Last time i checked the left top corner of the screen inside a wormhole it reads 0.0
My apologies, but you're slightly mistaken. It's -1.0
You're right, mistake but i reckon the point was obvious aswell.
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Originally by: Aedeal Like I said, you wanna move a bunch of indie guys out to nullsec, target the HS people. Severely nerf HS station production/research capacity and buff outpost capacity. I'm talking 2x job timers, 1.5x material costs, 1/3-1/4 the slots, no copying/invention. If ANYONE has it too easy, it's the people 4 off Jita manufacturing everything.
Obviously, yes. But the moment WHs sound more profitable/safer/easier than 0.0 it's hard to tell them "go to 0.0", they'll reply "well, if I want to move out of HS I'll head to WHs instead".
I'm really curious what people would think of such an idea as you suggest however.
The reason people went to wormhole space is not because of the profit from mining, nor is it the "convinience" in obtaining the minerals. It's because people arent interrested in your average null sec political schemes. The mining only provides a limited sustainabillity to any needed production you have to do in there to keep it all running.
Really, you persist on argueing a moot point trying to evade the actuall issue. You want industry in your empires out there ? Then set forth and fix it, it's not THAT hard.
It doesnt requere a change of wormholes, that's just a convinient decoy. What of the earlier asked reasons is it ?
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 23:44:00 -
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Actually Meissa, go ahead and remove abc from wormholes. Go ahead and make life in empire unpleasant for industrialists.
Do whatever you guys want to get people to null but guess what ? They aint going.
8 years now have you let null sec grow into this abomination you have today, where bots have taken over and their influence can not be undone. Where the individuall effort of an industrialist has zero to no vallue with your ties to empire as thick as the atlantic ocean.
Go ahead, stomp in other peoples corner of the sandbox in a futile attempt to have control over your puss infected child out there. The elitist attitude of null sec has only itself to blame and ccp for keeping the content stale, monotomous scripted, so easy to bot.
Any half arsed corrections you will try to implement to correct this will have zero to no effect other then maybe drive people away.
"Epic fights" ? Sssure, blobs walhalla and slideshows is definatly end game.
For an industrialist null sec is not interresting, period. |
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