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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.10 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai The reason mining sucks even with ABC ores
àcan be condensed into two words: Drone Regions.
Quote: Add to the fact that so long as you align and spam directional there really is no risk.
àsame as in all nullsec.
So why WHs would be any particular problem is quite odd. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.10 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 10/08/2011 12:00:50
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai WHs(we are talking c1-c2)are different to 0.0 due to the ease of entrance/exit points in WHs. Where you can mine then immediately jump back to high sec with very little risk(dependant on the WH ofc). Where as with 0.0 its a little more complex due to choke points as well as cost of upgrades, defense, and logistics.
àon the other hand, 0.0 still has a crapton of logistical niceties that can't be used in WHs, such as jump bridges, cynos, hell even titan bridging if you really really want that stuff moved. Nullsec can provide a constant and huge flow.
WHs (especially lower-class ones) have massive restrictions on what can be moved in and out of them ù limitations that also ensure that you can't create a fixed transport route ù and you'll quickly run into limits on how much you can store in that w-space system for future transport out of it. The flow can either be constant or huge (somewhatà until the grav sites decide not to spawn in your system any more), but you really have to struggle to have both happen at once.
Sure, you can find a wormhole, jump your Hulk in and go nuts and then warp outà but at that point, with the time it takes to do all that, you have about as much impact on the high-end mineral economy as an L3 mission-runner (and yes, the risks in doing it with that level of support are quite high as well, but again: the risk arguments falls on its face since it's the same as pretty much all other nullsec). At this point, the flow is neither constant nor huge. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.10 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel * WH space does not need intel channels, it's unconnected to other space.
More accurately, W-space can't have intel channels because its connection to other space is fluid.
Quote: * shifting exits prevent hostiles from finding you easily, thereby providing you with *MORE* security.
Shifting exists only prevents any one specific hostile to find you easily; it doesn't make it harder for a hostile, in the general sense, to find you.
Quote: * harder logistics, not really, if you get a WH with a static highsec exit, the distance to trade hub is substantially less than in most of 0.0.
A static highsec exit is very low-mass, and will easily deposit you an unspecified (but still large) amount of jump away from the hub, and you can't have a pick-up waiting at a pre-determined location to pick everything up.
Quote: * refineries are a problem, but Orca compression makes that problem go away.
Orcas can't compress. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.10 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ya Huei Has anyone ever run into bots mining in w-space ? Seems to me its pretty obvious which area is more dangerous.
That has more to do with the impractical nature of constantly having to scan down your mining sites, though ù it becomes a no-go even before security becomes an issue. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.10 14:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 10/08/2011 14:27:29
Originally by: Ya Huei Constantly ? I don't know what wormhole u live in but typically I'd say we get one grav site per week or so.
Constantly as in "if you don't scan it out, you're not getting any ore", as opposed to 0.0 where it's just rclick→warp to belt.
A botting program has to be able to solve that before the security of a system even becomes an issue in deciding to deploy the bots there or not. |
Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.10 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ya Huei Granted, yes a real player will have to provide the bookmarks
àand that kind of defeats the purpose. Beyond that, there's the unpredictable availability of the sites, so there's no telling when it will run out and you have to get a handle on-line to scan out a new site (if one is even available) or move the whole operation to a different system.
I can't really see botters wanting to bother with all of that manual labour even before the problems with having voluntary local and the risks this causes for the bots. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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