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StonedAGAIN
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Posted - 2011.08.15 20:54:00 -
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Is it just me or is anyone else experiencing the lack of faction loot from missions like the blockade before the last patch every now and then you would get some very nice faction loot from a rat called the contractor but since that patch I would do at least 1 blockade a day sometimes more and have never once received a drop which I think is pretty fail to be honest even worlds collide the drops are crap now. I am just wondering why CCP would remove such a beneficial part to missions or is it just a bug they don't want to tell you about. If petitioned you know you will get the same very arrogant answer in a very sarcastic way "working as intended". So has anyone else experienced this and know the answer why they are so crap now?
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Wedding Peach
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Posted - 2011.08.15 21:12:00 -
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I think the question is....why should mission runners be handed faction loot for running missions instead of given LP to buy them.
Leave the getting of faction loot to the explorers. -------------------------------------------------- I am the Love Angel, Wedding Peach, and I am very displeased by your lack of love! |
StonedAGAIN
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Posted - 2011.08.15 21:18:00 -
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na its a different type of loot all together explorers get plex loot missions get navy faction loot its a nice little bonus and something to look forward to to take away the tediousness of missioning
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.15 21:22:00 -
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I ran your post through Google Translate and got this:
Is it just me or is anyone else experiencing the lack of faction loot from missions like the blockade?
Before the last patch, every now and then, you would get some very nice faction loot from a rat called the Contractor, but since that patch I would do at least one blockade a day, sometimes more, and have never once received a drop, which I think is pretty fail to be honest. Even in Worlds Collide, the drops are crap now.
I am just wondering why CCP would remove such a beneficial part to missions or is it just a bug they don't want to tell you about? If petitioned, you know you will get the same very arrogant answer in a very sarcastic way: "working as intended". So has anyone else experienced this and know the answer to why they are so crap now?
----- CCP's NeX Pricing Tiers Affordable: One PLEX Mid: 3-4 PLEX Deluxe: Only for "flamboyantly rich capsuleers" Exceptional: ?? |
StonedAGAIN
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Posted - 2011.08.15 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 15/08/2011 21:29:13 lol well it is better presented i give google translate that. but it still doesn't answer my question. and I had hoped if people were experiencing the same problem they would also post here in the hope that ccp might actually read this and see that there is more than myself not happy about the situation...
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Peter Stinkfinger
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Posted - 2011.08.15 21:36:00 -
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not once have i found a faction item in the Blockade... Did not know they dropped.
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Skinae
Hello Kitty Hug Patrol
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Posted - 2011.08.15 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Wedding Peach I think the question is....why should mission runners be handed faction loot for running missions instead of given LP to buy them.
Leave the getting of faction loot to the explorers.
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StonedAGAIN
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Posted - 2011.08.15 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 15/08/2011 22:04:02 lol so explorers get plex loot thats worth over a bil in some cases and you think missioners shouldn't get the odd navy faction drop thats worth 70-80m why?
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Valor D'eglise
Gallente Red Cross Of Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.15 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Peter Stinkfinger not once have i found a faction item in the Blockade... Did not know they dropped.
This.
Also: to get a valuable drop in plexes takes a whole lot of time because it's chance based. I do a lot of exploration and have been in quite a few sites but it would have been much more beneficial for my wallet to just run missions for the time invested. Best drop was worth 190M every other item I found is to be considered "worthless" (a few M with several pages of contracts with that item). I do exploration to spice up my schedule. Just running missions over and over again gets boring.
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mxzf
Minmatar Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.08.15 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: StonedAGAIN Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 15/08/2011 22:04:02 lol so explorers get plex loot thats worth over a bil in some cases and you think missioners shouldn't get the odd navy faction drop thats worth 70-80m why?
Because that's the only way explorers get anything, is through the random drops. Why should missioners get big drops when they get ISK constantly from running missions and getting bounties when the only thing explorers have to look forward to is the very uncommon good drop. Also, for an explorer to get anything over 200-300M or so, you have to spend many hours exploring in lowsec while the carebears running missions are sitting safe in highsec with guarenteed income (while the explorer is in lowsec risking their ship for "maybe something very nice").
It's risk and effort vs rewards. If you want to sit and run lvl 4s all day, you will make consistent income and shouldn't be getting faction stuff. If someone is putting the massive amount of effort to go exploring, much less in lowsec to get anything worth a lot, they do deserve to get drops that might be as much as 1B. Especially because for every 1B drop, there are 5 150-200M drops.
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StonedAGAIN
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Posted - 2011.08.15 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 15/08/2011 22:27:35 Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 15/08/2011 22:26:24 but you dont get isk constantly from mission all goods cost isk and you dont always cover the costs you need to b able to afford something decent with lp you end up having to spend some of ur own isk to b able to afford something good which = less profit you got to remember most missions navy faction so you dont get bounties you get 3-4m for completing a mission not that much when even if you do a plex you still get isk from bounties. the odd bit of faction loot every now and then helps to afford something better and not being able to go into certain space ie caldari amarr because of doing missions the little faction loot drops balance it out and makes it worth while
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mxzf
Minmatar Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.08.15 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: StonedAGAIN Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 15/08/2011 22:27:35 Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 15/08/2011 22:26:24 but you dont get isk constantly from mission all goods cost isk and you dont always cover the costs you need to b able to afford something decent with lp you end up having to spend some of ur own isk to b able to afford something good which = less profit you got to remember most missions navy faction so you dont get bounties you get 3-4m for completing a mission not that much when even if you do a plex you still get isk from bounties. the odd bit of faction loot every now and then helps to afford something better and not being able to go into certain space ie caldari amarr because of doing missions the little faction loot drops balance it out and makes it worth while
If you feel that the ISK is so far skewed towards exploring, then go exploring. I guarantee you that you'll quickly grow frustrated with it and go back to your nice stable missioning income. And, yes, missions do give quite stable income. You see that "Reward" listed for missions? The missions that you can do constantly, without having to spend an hour looking for a mission to do. That's steady income.
Also, you don't have to nuke your standings to opposing factions, not unless you're being stupid about it.
In short, don't complain about exploring unless you've tried it, what rewards it gives are quite hard earned.
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StonedAGAIN
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Posted - 2011.08.15 22:45:00 -
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Oh man I have done exploring I gave it up, as again all the drops have been squashed to nothing exact same as the odd bit of faction loot you got from missions. Plexes used to be good. What I found with plexes for instance the maze if I solo'd it I didnt get any plex loot but if i did it with 2-3 people we would always get something. See you have taken this into a total different way than I had expected, when I was exploring doing plexes I could still make 30-70m per plex I did. Thats a hole lot more than you get from doin the missions. yes you get lp but lp also cost isk to use there has to b a balance on both sides for it to work. And on the side of not messing up your standing if you want to do storylines for implants or whatever you have to take a hit to standing you cant do it any other way.....
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Wedding Peach
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Posted - 2011.08.15 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: StonedAGAIN Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 15/08/2011 22:52:04 Oh man I have done exploring I gave it up, as again all the drops have been squashed to nothing exact same as the odd bit of faction loot you got from missions. Plexes used to be good. What I found with plexes for instance the maze if I solo'd it I didnt get any plex loot but if i did it with 2-3 people we would always get something. See you have taken this into a total different way than I had expected, when I was exploring doing plexes I could still make 30-70m per plex I did. Thats a hole lot more than you get from doin the missions. yes you get lp but lp also cost isk to use there has to b a balance on both sides for it to work. And on the side of not messing up your standing. if you want to do storylines for implants or whatever you have to take a hit to standing you cant do it any other way..... The other thing that really annoyed me about plexing was the amount of escalations I got that always led to nothin...
Sounds like a case of 'Exploration is Broken' and 'Dangerous Exploration should be rewarded 100% of the time'
There are days and weeks I go without getting anything good from exploration. Why do I still explore?
Its much more interesting than doing stale missions with no threat. I can be my own master in exploration. Get my own loot. Make my own business.
I don't know how much I make but I estimate that I make well over 3 billion a month. -------------------------------------------------- I am the Love Angel, Wedding Peach, and I am very displeased by your lack of love! |
StonedAGAIN
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Posted - 2011.08.15 23:09:00 -
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no not 100% of the time but at least 1 in every 10 or something you do. I used to do way more than 10 n would get zero other than the bounties. go try some missions in 0.0 and tell me there is no risk....
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Wedding Peach
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Posted - 2011.08.15 23:11:00 -
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I did yesterday, actually, for the lulz.
It was boring in Empire Sec. It's still boring in Sansha Sec. -------------------------------------------------- I am the Love Angel, Wedding Peach, and I am very displeased by your lack of love! |
StonedAGAIN
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Posted - 2011.08.15 23:13:00 -
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I totally agree but got to make isk somehow that little surprise of a faction nuet or something helps to make it a bit more exciting cause you never know if you are gonna get something or not but as of late you can pretty much guarentee you are gonna get nothing
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Wedding Peach
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Posted - 2011.08.15 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: StonedAGAIN I totally agree but got to make isk somehow that little surprise of a faction nuet or something helps to make it a bit more exciting cause you never know if you are gonna get something or not but as of late you can pretty much guarentee you are gonna get nothing
I did a Mul-Zatah Monastery Plex about 30 minutes ago.
It dropped a C-Type Medium Armor Rep worth 160m.
I've done maybe 12 Crimson Hand Supply Depots. Of those 12, 4 of them dropped A-Type EANMs. -------------------------------------------------- I am the Love Angel, Wedding Peach, and I am very displeased by your lack of love! |
StonedAGAIN
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Posted - 2011.08.15 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 15/08/2011 23:24:55 Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 15/08/2011 23:23:08 yeah very nice but but to topic at hand why is it such a big issue if 0.0 missioners get the odd bit of navy faction loot thats worth 70-80m to help along with the costs of being able to buy something for the same kind of value with lp? Seems only people that want to post are the negative ones who seem to think missioning in 0.0 is superior which is totally false.
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Orlacc
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Posted - 2011.08.15 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Wedding Peach
Originally by: StonedAGAIN Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 15/08/2011 22:52:04
Sounds like a case of 'Exploration is Broken' and 'Dangerous Exploration should be rewarded 100% of the time'
There are days and weeks I go without getting anything good from exploration. Why do I still explore?
Its much more interesting than doing stale missions with no threat. I can be my own master in exploration. Get my own loot. Make my own business.
I don't know how much I make but I estimate that I make well over 3 billion a month.
I agree with this post...
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StonedAGAIN
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Posted - 2011.08.15 23:50:00 -
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problem with that tho its wrong... there is risk involved with 0.0 missioning...
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Taedrin
Gallente Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.08.16 01:22:00 -
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I've been running missions for about 5 years now, and i have only gotten faction loot from World's Collide three times. I have never gotten faction loot from The Blockade.
So I'm thinking what you are noticing is well within the bounds of statistical probability. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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StonedAGAIN
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Posted - 2011.08.16 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 16/08/2011 01:54:26 Am thinking you didnt know what to look for like many people to fully appreciate the benefits the contractor is what you are looking for but you wont get it now since that last patch that is fairly certain!!! my guess you have killed him many times over without even realising... Also every worlds collide has an overseer if you didnt bother to check the wreck my guess you missed that to...
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Linda Shadowborn
Gallente Dark Steel Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.16 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: StonedAGAIN Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 16/08/2011 02:00:47 Am thinking you didnt know what to look for like many people to fully appreciate the benefits the contractor is what you are looking for but you wont get it now since that last patch that is fairly certain!!! my guess you have killed him many times over without even realising... Also every worlds collide has an overseer not that you will get something everytime but on occasions but if you didnt bother to check the wreck my guess you missed that to...
i have ALWAYs salvaged that mission and i been running missions since.. gowd.. a long time ago :) never got any faction loot.
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StonedAGAIN
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Posted - 2011.08.16 02:49:00 -
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both sides?
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Lady Aja
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Posted - 2011.08.16 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: StonedAGAIN Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 15/08/2011 22:04:02 lol so explorers get plex loot thats worth over a bil in some cases and you think missioners shouldn't get the odd navy faction drop thats worth 70-80m why?
StonedAGAIN I am a high sec mission runner and I personally think you need to buy a ****ing clue. hi sec missions are far to profitable as it is. if you want faction drops go hunt down commander/officwer spawns in low sec/0.0.
IMO all high sec missions SHOULD be anti faction ( coz we all know that pirates dont belong in hi sec ), if you want bounties and or sec goto low sec or 0.0.
NUFF SAID!
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.16 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja
Originally by: StonedAGAIN Edited by: StonedAGAIN on 15/08/2011 22:04:02 lol so explorers get plex loot thats worth over a bil in some cases and you think missioners shouldn't get the odd navy faction drop thats worth 70-80m why?
StonedAGAIN I am a high sec mission runner and I personally think you need to buy a ****ing clue. hi sec missions are far to profitable as it is. if you want faction drops go hunt down commander/officwer spawns in low sec/0.0.
IMO all high sec missions SHOULD be anti faction ( coz we all know that pirates dont belong in hi sec ), if you want bounties and or sec goto low sec or 0.0.
NUFF SAID!
Ya like high sec missions dont get nerfted every single expantion as is.
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
StonedAGAIN
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Posted - 2011.08.16 06:29:00 -
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OMG people please read what is written before replying... I AM TALKING ABOUT 0.0 MISSIONS NOT HISEC!!!! What I said was 0.0 missions destroy your standing to be aloud to access hisec so why souldnt the rewards be better!!!!
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xXThunder StruckXx
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Posted - 2011.08.16 07:42:00 -
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Had blockade Lvl 4 last weekend. ( Hi sec Amarr space). Got a True Sansha BS in the final spawn, I forget the bounty, but he dropped Large true sansha pulse laser and true sansha LAR !!
Only the 3rd time I have seen faction spawn in this mission. Previous times were in gallente space.
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StonedAGAIN
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Posted - 2011.08.16 07:48:00 -
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Thank you so in hisec it isn't bugged. still wonder if anyone has had it in the 0.0 version since that last patch then. but it is good to know that someone has actually had it in one version of it.
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