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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.08.19 19:20:00 -
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On an alt I finally get into 0.0, checking it out, an I get into a alliance, our corp gets its own system, and my friend is mining in a hulk that gets popped in out system by 4 guys that run in and have fun.
My question: do alliances normally protect their "pets" as it used to be called? Or is it normal as my friend tells me for your home system to be open to anyone that cares to come in? He keeps telling me our standing orders are to run to the POS and wait for them to leave. Theres a benefit to boing in an alliance here than Im not seeing? Other than they let you have access to 0.0? Apparently alliance members in this one are shoot on sight if you go into any other alliance members' system too. Is this like a ****ty alliance or are they all like this an I should just go back to highsec
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Ceelah
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Posted - 2011.08.19 19:38:00 -
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Go back to hisec.
Also....
Chances are pretty good the established alliance corps are hunting the newer member corps with their alts.
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.08.19 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 19:48:18
My question: do alliances normally protect their "pets" as it used to be called? No
Or is it normal as my friend tells me for your home system to be open to anyone that cares to come in? Not really, generally you have some people wondering around killing anybody that comes near and warning people to get clear if that can't be done. Also fun to join those groups from time to time. No intel channel ?
He keeps telling me our standing orders are to run to the POS and wait for them to leave. Theres a benefit to boing in an alliance here than Im not seeing? Other than they let you have access to 0.0? Yes you run to the POS because for every kill they get it gives them a reason to come back. The benefit is cash.
Apparently alliance members in this one are shoot on sight if you go into any other alliance members' system too. Is this like a ****ty alliance or are they all like this an I should just go back to highsec Yes if they shoot there own alliance members. Sound like your alliance has no idea how to live in 0.0. Find a better one as you are not going to be happy there.
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Reeno Coleman
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Posted - 2011.08.19 19:53:00 -
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Depending on the activity on your alliance, you may benefit from protection in your system. Depends on how near it is to your core system and market hubs. But be sure, if you got alliance members hunting your intruders, they do it for the killmails, not to protect you.
Just sayin'... don't expect anything. Usually this raiding parties are gone way to quickly for a defence fleet to form.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.08.19 19:53:00 -
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funny how whenever CCP wants to change things to get ppl in 0.0 everyone is screaming you should be there anyways, nut when I actually ask questions about it, the general consensus is "go back to highsec"
Im not trolling with this, Im trying to align my thoughts of what I thought 0.0 was and what it actually IS so I might stay there and enjoy my time there ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.08.19 20:01:00 -
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If anyone ever wondered why renters are third-class citizens, this right here is why.
Fix Lag! |
Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.08.19 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Fix Lag If anyone ever wondered why renters are third-class citizens, this right here is why.
If anyone ever wondered why there arent more ppl in 0.0 theres why Im TRYING to get INTO 0.0 an yeah this is what Im getting. ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.08.19 20:02:00 -
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There are a lot of good alliances out there and then there are well.
A whole ton that are complete garbage. A huge part of how your 0.0 experience goes is dependent on who you fly with.
And sadly the most important part of any alliance is the corporation you are in. If your corporation doesn't look out for its own don't even think about going to 0.0 If your corporation is dependent on others for logistics or protection don't even think of going to 0.0
In short don't count or expect anything from anyone but your corporation. If you can't handle it internally it can and will go badly.
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CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 20:10:00 -
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If you are genuine then you are doing right to ask questions. The problem is most of the people on these forums are unhelpful ******s.
First: You need to establish clear terms with your alliance gods to see what you are getting for your money, and what you are obligated to provide. It could be a simple, here is some space, pay us monthly or GTFO, or it could be a bit more involved where they may respond to your calls for aid provided your corp go on fleet ops twice a week.
Second: Make sure all your corp are up to speed on how to stay alive. This means expecting everyone to up their game in terms of alertness. I don't want to sound elitist or anything but the best thing you can do to survive well as pets is to be as smart as possible. Learn to scan, be aware that you ARE vulnerable. Going afk mining in a hulk is not ok. POS up or log if you need to pee and there is no one about.
Get everyone familiar with any fleet fits you may be required to have and be sure the entiore corp is fleet ready for any given moment. This is not a get-round-to-it-later grey area.... get everyone signed up on comms, in the right intel channels, signed up to any forums they should be and be goddamn ready for anything. This can be a bit of 'effort' at first but with discipline it will become routine. 0.0 IS very safe, but you need to be sharp and be able to respond to situations as they arise.
I hope that doesnt sound arrogant but really, ignore the idiots here and get yourself in good shape. Whoever you are renting off will assume you are scrubs but if you can prove otherwise you could find your pet status upgrading to something better in good time.
GOOD LUCK OUT THERE :)
If you have a really tough time dealing with stuff you can mail me and I will see if I can redirect you to some good resources (I'm way too tired right now).
Getting out of high sec is the best thing you can do for yourself, but be sure to have a thick skin because the elitist pricks will challenge your patience greatly!
If you mail 'Klezmer' in game I will see what I can do for you.
If you are trolling (I dont see how, perfectly reasonable questions) then I will find you in space and poop on your spaceships. ~~~ Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
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Not-Apsalar
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Posted - 2011.08.19 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira On an alt I finally get into 0.0, checking it out, an I get into a alliance, our corp gets its own system, and my friend is mining in a hulk that gets popped in out system by 4 guys that run in and have fun.
My question: do alliances normally protect their "pets" as it used to be called? Or is it normal as my friend tells me for your home system to be open to anyone that cares to come in? He keeps telling me our standing orders are to run to the POS and wait for them to leave. Theres a benefit to boing in an alliance here than Im not seeing? Other than they let you have access to 0.0? Apparently alliance members in this one are shoot on sight if you go into any other alliance members' system too. Is this like a ****ty alliance or are they all like this an I should just go back to highsec
Generally works like this: -Corp is part of alliance, renter or otherwise. -Alliance has an intel channel with blues in the area -Monitor intel channel for incoming enemies, post if you see any, run away if they're in the next system headed your way -Small groups and soloers generally don't provoke response/defense fleets, but some people will camp gates/setup traps near where they were last located to try and get a kill.. intel channel will usually reflect this -Intel in this scenario is reactionary in nature. A lot of times the first person to get caught was also the first person to know.
Ultimately, you should have a safe spot/pos/station and a bookmark to warp to them. When you're mining/ratting something, try to stay aligned to that bookmark as much as possible. Monitor local. New hostile/neutrals in local? You should at least be aligned with your finger on the warp, or flying with cover
As far as ratting/mining in other corps systems, it depends on the alliance. Some share resources, some don't. It costs a lot to upgrade and maintain/defend systems, so corps might not want to share as they don't get to tax what you make in their system. It's not a measurement of how crappy the alliance is, but there are alliances that don't have that practice. It's up to you whether you want to seek one out.
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CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 20:18:00 -
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UPDATE: If you whine or come across as a scrub or a victim on the forums be prepared to be cut down in quick fashion. ~~~ Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
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Judge Ment
BOOM BOOM POW
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Posted - 2011.08.19 20:39:00 -
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best thing ever, I bet your friend has a ALT. and your number one on the killboard for solo kill :)
Welcome to EVE ------------------------------------- We judge others by actions We judge ourselves by intentions. |
nubile slave
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Posted - 2011.08.19 20:44:00 -
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0.0 is what the players make it to some extent. If you go in not knowing who your dealing with, having no previous experience, I'm not sure what else you'd expect....
If you go to 0.0, you'd better know who your flying with, and no, generally pets are not defended, but they make fine bait.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.08.19 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Judge Ment best thing ever, I bet your friend has a ALT. and your number one on the killboard for solo kill :)
Welcome to EVE
sadly no, he hates the combat system in this game and anything to have to do with it. Id LOVE it if he DID lol that would be fun. No, he mines. and ONLY mines ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.19 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: Judge Ment best thing ever, I bet your friend has a ALT. and your number one on the killboard for solo kill :)
Welcome to EVE
sadly no, he hates the combat system in this game and anything to have to do with it. Id LOVE it if he DID lol that would be fun. No, he mines. and ONLY mines
So he says
But seriously, you need to find out from your alliance heads what exactly you should do in certain circumstances and also find out what is required in certain situations. If none of this information is readily available you may want to look for a new corp/alliance.
Slade
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Sewer Urchin
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:16:00 -
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Another option is NPC 0.0 I'm not a fan of big alliances myself, but I like null sec. My very small corp bases out of NPC null, we do whatever we want, don't have to worry about politics, cta's for hours of inanimate object bashing(worse than mining tbh), ect.
I don't know how well you could mine in npc null but it sounds like you can't really mine where you're at either.
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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sewer Urchin Another option is NPC 0.0 I'm not a fan of big alliances myself, but I like null sec. My very small corp bases out of NPC null, we do whatever we want, don't have to worry about politics, cta's for hours of inanimate object bashing(worse than mining tbh), ect.
I don't know how well you could mine in npc null but it sounds like you can't really mine where you're at either.
NPC null is much more active than big alliance null. If he's getting cut up in renter space its more than likely they will be chewed in NPC space.
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
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Wu Tarot
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:24:00 -
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yeah id expect an area where the only missions are (as bad as mission hubs are in highsec for ppl trying to steal/kill you) and add )0.0 would = death lol
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Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:30:00 -
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If you go to 0.0 to make money, you will die. If you go to 0.0 to make other people die, you will make money.
Once you understand this you will be much more successful.
Fix Lag! |
jujumagumboo
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:34:00 -
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Congratulations on leaving behind the children in highsec and trying to make a go of it in nullsec. Keep in mind, however, that you can't play the same way in 0.0 that you do in Empire space. You have to pay attention to Local and your alliance intel channels and warp to a POS or a safespot when evil dudes enter the system. Also, don't expect your landlords to do anything to protect a Hulk mining belts...they would never form up fast enough to do anything even if they cared to try and save you.
Most nullsec alliances operate on a NBSI system (Not Blue, Shoot It) which means if you aren't blue to the people coming into the system you are fair game for them to shoot you.
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