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Firebolt145
The Hatchery
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Posted - 2011.08.21 07:25:00 -
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Edited by: Firebolt145 on 21/08/2011 07:31:38 At the end of the next post is a quick movie of me blitzing the level 4 mission Pirate Invasion in a Machariel. It is in real time. A bit of ROUGH maths here (oh god don't be pedantic please):
Time taken for the mission: about 7 minutes. LP gained from mission: about 5k. At 2k isk/LP, that is 10m isk in 7 minutes. That is almost 100m isk in an hour, with mission rewards and bounties.
Now that I have caught your attention this movie has one main purpose: an eye opener to the world of blitzing missions.
The most efficient way of making money from missions is called blitzing. You do not full clear the mission and kill every rat; instead, you get in there, kill only the ships that you absolutely have to, and leave instantly to turn it in. If you fly this way, most of the money that comes from missions does NOT come from loot/salvage/bounties, but from the LP.
Not all missions can be blitzed. When I missioning, I continuously reject missions that are unblitzable, waiting for missions such as the Minmatar version of Worlds Collide, Blockade, Recon, Pirate Invasion that can be completed quickly within minutes for a high LP reward. I am able to reject multiple missions in a row because of Faction standings. You get a lot of Faction standings by completing storyline missions, and this falls down extremely slowly when rejecting missions. As long as you keep your Faction standings above 5.0 (rather easy to do) and your individual agent standings above -2.0 (don't reject a gazillion in a row), your agent will keep talking to you and you can keep rejecting, only waiting for fast blitzable missions.
Before you have faction standings, you will not be able to reject as many missions continuously. To build it up, keep doing all your missions normally and do the storyline missions that you get every now and then.
Because most of the money comes from the LP, you need to do some research before you start missioning for just any random corp. You need to find a corp with a high isk/LP rate, then find the agent in the lowest possible sec space (still hisec of course). This will require some research for you - finding a good isk/hr rate requires looking up various items in the reward store and comparing how much you can sell them for to their LP cost. For those of you unwilling to spend too much time, a good corp to mission for Republic Fleet, with the agent Vir Honn in Emolgranlan (0.5), and converting your LP for ammo and selling it. However there are other corps out there with much higher rewards, it's up to you to find them!
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Firebolt145
The Hatchery
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Posted - 2011.08.21 07:27:00 -
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Edited by: Firebolt145 on 21/08/2011 07:30:50 This video has me doing this in a Machariel, which is a rather expensive ship for many people. However, you do not NEED an expensive ship to do this. The Drake is one of the best blitzing ships out there and only costs about 50-60m fully fit before insurance. Here is an excellent drake fit:
Highs: 7x Heavy Missile Launcher II
Mids: 2x Large Shield Extender II 1x Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive 2x Invulnerability Field II 1x Specific Active Hardener (Photon Scattering Field II, Heat Dissipation Field II, Ballistic Deflection Field II, Explosion Dampening Field II - depending on the mission)
Lows: 2x Ballistic Control Unit II 2x Shield Power Relay II
Rigs: 3x Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Drones: 5x Warrior II
Many people will say the Drake is not a good level 4 ship and it does not have the necessary DPS. This is irrelevent if you fly the way I do in this video. The strength of the drake comes from its high mobility. In this mission for example, you would pull off a similar maneuver to the one I did in your drake and then burn further away, thus reducing all the damage from the rest of the rats while you pick off the targets from range.
I strongly recommend getting all your support skills (capacitor, shield, navigation and missile skills) to III or even IV before you start attempting this in a Drake, as you will need those skills to make up for your slight lack in DPS. Obviously having full T2 is also recommended.
When you first try this in your Drake you may not reach the numbers I have come up with.
WARNING: Do NOT try this without researching more about each mission and knowing what to expect. I strongly recommend www.eve-survival.org and reading up on every mission the first couple times you do it as they generally give good blitzing advice.
Good luck. You may contact me in EVE if you need help.
PS Shoutout to Syratus for all the help!
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hGaK2WNdtE
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Mister Agreeable
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Posted - 2011.08.21 08:28:00 -
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At 2k isk/lp? That price was a year ago, gl getting over 1k now (unless you mission in 0.0 or deal in *very* low volumes)
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Gloria Mill
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Posted - 2011.08.21 08:29:00 -
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I think you got the faction standings and personal agent standing mixed.
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Firebolt145
The Hatchery
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Posted - 2011.08.21 08:33:00 -
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Edited by: Firebolt145 on 21/08/2011 08:34:10
Originally by: Mister Agreeable At 2k isk/lp? That price was a year ago, gl getting over 1k now (unless you mission in 0.0 or deal in *very* low volumes)
I get 2k isk/LP right now, all the time, as much volume as I can make, in hisec. I have corpmates that mission in nullsec for a LOT more isk/LP, but this thread isn't about that.
I don't think I have faction and agent standings mixed up. Faction standings take FOREVER to go down, and as long as they are above 5.0, you can keep talking to agent.
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Chimera Ur
Nibado Inc
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Posted - 2011.08.21 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Firebolt145
I get 2k isk/LP right now, all the time, as much volume as I can make, in hisec. I have corpmates that mission in nullsec for a LOT more isk/LP, but this thread isn't about that. .
What do you buy and sell then if you get 2k/LP? . |
Zerel Hotori
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Posted - 2011.08.21 14:02:00 -
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I am trying to figure out if the OP is trolling, or just stupid. I'm guessing the latter, but you never know.
Is it worth pointing out the flaws in this idiocy (lol 1 mission every 7 minutes) or just point and laugh ?
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Herpes Sweatrash
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Posted - 2011.08.21 14:16:00 -
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This is why CCP need to make it so that if you mission in high sec you can only buy trash items from the LP stores which give at most 1k isk per LP (ie no more 5run bpcs available unless you earn lp in low sec).
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.21 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: stoicfaux on 21/08/2011 14:28:02
Originally by: Zerel Hotori I am trying to figure out if the OP is trolling, or just stupid. I'm guessing the latter, but you never know.
Is it worth pointing out the flaws in this idiocy (lol 1 mission every 7 minutes) or just point and laugh ?
Bad news, the only person to point and laugh at is yourself.
When you decline a mission more than once every four hours, three things happen:
a) your faction standings take an almost insignificant hit, b) your corporation standings take a sizable hit c) your agent standings take a sizable hit
Your level 4 agent will talk to you if your agent, corporation, or faction standings are above 5.0 *and* if your corporation standings don't drop to -2.0 or less.
With high faction standings and because of the minimal faction hit for declining a mission, this means it is possible to cherry pick just the quick blitzable missions as long as your corporation standings don't drop below -2.0.
For example, declining Smash the Supplier cost me: * -0.0112% faction hit * -3.06% corporation hit * -6.12% agent hit
Completing the Patient Zero storyline mission netted me: * 9.0% faction increase
In overly simplistic terms, 9.0% / .0112% = ~800 declined missions. That means I could decline hundreds of missions and make up for the faction standings hit with a single storyline mission.
Thus it is pretty easy to decline a lot of missions in order to only blitz missions that can be quickly completed.
However, if everyone is blitzing for LP, then you run into issues with tag prices, more competition on LP items, lower LP payouts per mission (mission payouts are dynamically adjusted,) and a general trend towards lower lp/isk conversion rates.
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Firebolt145
The Hatchery
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Posted - 2011.08.21 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Firebolt145 on 21/08/2011 17:10:42
Originally by: Chimera Ur
Originally by: Firebolt145
I get 2k isk/LP right now, all the time, as much volume as I can make, in hisec. I have corpmates that mission in nullsec for a LOT more isk/LP, but this thread isn't about that. .
What do you buy and sell then if you get 2k/LP?
I hope you can understand if I don't simply give out my figures. If I were to publicly give them out, people would come, flood the market, prices would drop, etc.
Markets fluctuate all the time. There will be times when there aren't any items worth over 1.5k/LP, there are times when they will hit highs of 10k/LP. There are currently two items to my knowledge that give 10k isk/LP but have other drawbacks, including but not limited to lowsec/rare tags/slow selling items.
I strongly suggest doing your own research.
Originally by: Zerel Hotori I am trying to figure out if the OP is trolling, or just stupid. I'm guessing the latter, but you never know.
Is it worth pointing out the flaws in this idiocy (lol 1 mission every 7 minutes) or just point and laugh ?
The video I have in my second post has me doing Pirate Invasion in 7 minutes, including undocking, warping, taking gate, warping back and turning it back in and requesting a new mission. And Pirate Invasion is hardly the best isk/time mission out there. Examples of other higher isk/time missions include Recon 1 and Pot and Kettle.
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Firebolt145
The Hatchery
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Posted - 2011.08.21 17:21:00 -
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Stoic although I wrote the original guide/video, I don't have the time to maintain/improve it much and there are LOTS missing from this guide. I have one person already helping me format it and modify it on the EVE Uni Wiki. Would you mind if I used your post to detail how exactly Faction Standings work in my guide? Credits given, of course.
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Lessoroz
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Posted - 2011.08.21 18:23:00 -
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Your video shows you have the editing skills of a 7 year old.
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Cambarus
Malicious Destruction War Against the Manifest
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Posted - 2011.08.21 20:14:00 -
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Or you could join an incursioin corp and make that much in raw payouts, before you even factor in LP |
Sannah Ur
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Posted - 2011.08.21 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Firebolt145
I strongly suggest doing your own research.
Then what's the point of your post? The speed at which you run the missions is nothing special. Everyone knows that you need to take the LP/isk ratio into account when running for max isk/hour. However, my 'research' shows that it's hard to get over 1000 isk/LP and yet you claim you can consistently get double that. That's the only 'special' part, but you choose to keep that part to yourself.
So then what's the point of your post? Bragging?
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Firebolt145
The Hatchery
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Posted - 2011.08.21 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Firebolt145 on 21/08/2011 21:06:57 Edited by: Firebolt145 on 21/08/2011 21:06:00
Originally by: Sannah Ur Everyone knows that you need to take the LP/isk ratio into account when running for max isk/hour.
So then what's the point of your post? Bragging?
No, they don't. It may seem obvious but no one actually realises how important it is.
This guide is intended for people that are doing level 4's sub-optimally. IE, people that choose to full-clear entire pockets then loot/salvage, people that require entire fleets to do a level 4 yet still spend hours to clear it. I want to open their eyes to a new way of missioning.
I am not going to spoonfeed you, only give direction. I have quoted values of 2k isk/LP. I can quote more if we want to go to more extreme measurements. It is up to you to find them.
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.21 21:32:00 -
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Firebolt145 your both right and wrong in the isk/h ratio over the long haul.
1.) The time it takes to move to market and sale. 2.) If a blue print the time it takes to build or find someone to build for you if you yourself or alt cant build. 3.) The time to do the needed research or the time to keep a hook up with someone/somegroup of someone's that do's the research and keeps on top of whats hot and whats not. 4.) The time needed to move hole missioning kit from station to station as you move from corp to corp for the what's hot.
When you factor all that in the isk/h ratio is just not that hot anymore.
Sorry if you disagree but thats just how I feel about it. I am not blind. I just have one eye covered
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
Firebolt145
The Hatchery
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Posted - 2011.08.21 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Firebolt145 on 21/08/2011 21:36:30
Originally by: Rip Minner Firebolt145 your both right and wrong in the isk/h ratio over the long haul.
1.) The time it takes to move to market and sale. 2.) If a blue print the time it takes to build or find someone to build for you if you yourself or alt cant build. 3.) The time to do the needed research or the time to keep a hook up with someone/somegroup of someone's that do's the research and keeps on top of whats hot and whats not. 4.) The time needed to move hole missioning kit from station to station as you move from corp to corp for the what's hot.
When you factor all that in the isk/h ratio is just not that hot anymore.
Sorry if you disagree but thats just how I feel about it. I am not blind. I just have one eye covered
1 and 2 and 3 are all similar. Fortunately there are people out there who are willing to deal with all of this for you. You mission for the LP, they give you the raw/tags/whatever and bother with the manufacturing and selling in return for a small cut. You can still get good isk/LP with this (I know I do, even though it's obvious the guy I'm selling to is ripping me off with the amount of isk he makes...)
As for 4, I have moved once in the last 6 months. It does not take long to autopilot your mach and a hauler from point A to point B.
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Business holding Group
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Posted - 2011.08.21 21:41:00 -
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Unless you lose your Machariel!
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Deniard Deninard
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Posted - 2011.08.21 21:50:00 -
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It is exceptionally easy to get 2k+ isk/lp, even dumping to buy orders, if you know what you're doing. Investing a few minutes into the various conversions offered by different corps is the most profitable few minutes you'll ever invest in eve. I'll give you a hint though, it's not making navy ravens. The best 0 effort (get what you need off the market, dump LP goods to sell orders, always high volume) conversion I've seen is about 2.7. The absolute best conversion I've seen is about 20k. That's 20k isk per LP so approximately 2b isk per hour but it takes a week of passive buy orders to get the stuff you need so you can't just chain the missions and make infinite isk. Still, you only have to do about a mission a day to make that 2b isk.
Anyway, anyone not following firebolt's guide here is doing it wrong. Blitzing is the best kept secret in missioning, lp conversions are nowhere near as difficult as most people think they are. Just make a spreadsheet.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.21 22:26:00 -
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Forzean/Moose Burger started a few epic threadnaughts about blitzing and isk/hour. Here's one.
Frozean/Moose Burger would get around the time sink of buying tags and moving items to market via remote sell/buy orders and using Red Frog Freight.
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Scarlett Dream
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Posted - 2011.08.22 00:47:00 -
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I for one call this all *******s. Use your LP wisely and get raven navy issue as well as cn bcus and cn invulns, which you can use for yourself as well. This blitzing sucks since you miss out on both bounties and salvage items, which are a great chunk of the money.
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.22 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Scarlett Dream I for one call this all *******s. Use your LP wisely and get raven navy issue as well as cn bcus and cn invulns, which you can use for yourself as well. This blitzing sucks since you miss out on both bounties and salvage items, which are a great chunk of the money.
I am not nay saying what your saying but I will point out that blizzing is on par = killing all rats and collecting all loot/salvage is.
But it would not be compete very long with it in high sec if all high sec mission runners started cherry picking and blizzing the blizzed mission rewards would start bottoming out. There are a number of missions with alot lower mission rewards now as more and more people are blizzing.
How ever that is the balancing act that CCP put in there so that it changes as the player base changes what there doing.
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
Chimera Ur
Nibado Inc
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Posted - 2011.08.22 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rip Minner
I am not nay saying what your saying but I will point out that blizzing is on par = killing all rats and collecting all loot/salvage is.
For a lot of missions you have to kill all the rats anyway because the gate won't unlock unless you do. Check some random missions on eve-survival, most are like that. When I have to kill all those I might as well just have my second account salvage and loot them.
Too bad no one wants to share how to actually get 2k isk/lp. Then these topics might be worth something. . |
Gary Bell
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Posted - 2011.08.22 13:04:00 -
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LOL this guy is funny... orrr better ides you can run lvl fives in low sec and make a million lp in 20 mins.... trooll
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.22 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Chimera Ur
Too bad no one wants to share how to actually get 2k isk/lp. Then these topics might be worth something.
lp store information + spreadsheet + market research (aka tag prices and values of items on contract) = 2,000+ isk/lp conversion rate.
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Spengman
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Posted - 2011.08.22 15:30:00 -
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Wow, that Machariel seems slow at killing battleships
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tofucake prime
The Hatchery
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Posted - 2011.08.22 23:59:00 -
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Confirming the following: 1. 2k isk/lp is pretty easy and there are many different corps and items you can get this rate for 2. Firebolt sucks massively at editing (he managed to turn 2 4gb clips into 1 70gb clip) 3. Firebolt is getting ripped off by his LP purchaser and still makes more money than people full clearing for salvage and bounties 4. Our corp has a pretty nice setup because our CEO is a giant bear. The logistics network and tag supplies are good enough to make conversion of LP nearly instant, and everyone profits. 5. There are plenty of missions which you can complete in just 4 minutes, including undocking and warping and warping and docking. 6. lol full clearing. **** money
And a good example (which doesn't really matter anymore) about 2k isk/lp at high turnover was RF ammo a few months ago.
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Sarfux
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Posted - 2011.08.23 00:32:00 -
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lol scrubs still grinding to make ISK in eve?
Just sell chars or buy plex..
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Missy Sasha
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Posted - 2011.08.23 01:37:00 -
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Theoretically I could just skip the mission part and just buy/sell tags and make even higher income, and just adjust orders once a week. And once a week to move stuff around. Sounds great!
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tofucake prime
The Hatchery
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Posted - 2011.08.24 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sarfux lol scrubs still grinding to make ISK in eve?
Just sell chars or buy plex..
I'd rather not pay to play a free game.
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