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Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 08:47:00 -
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The general consensus is that vanity items are useless. But what if that changed & they did something?
Goggles to improve your targeting range- after all you see better with them polarised lenses.
Boots that improve your hull or armour
Jackets that aid your ability to overheat?
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.25 08:48:00 -
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oy.. this one is going to get ugly
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Digital Messiah
Gallente Oregami Ultd
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Posted - 2011.08.25 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Pteranodon The general consensus is that vanity items are useless. But what if that changed & they did something?
Goggles to improve your targeting range- after all you see better with them polarised lenses.
Boots that improve your hull or armour
Jackets that aid your ability to overheat?
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
Your ability to contradict yourself astounds me 4/10.
Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Messiah
Originally by: Pteranodon The general consensus is that vanity items are useless. But what if that changed & they did something?
Goggles to improve your targeting range- after all you see better with them polarised lenses.
Boots that improve your hull or armour
Jackets that aid your ability to overheat?
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
Your ability to contradict yourself astounds me 4/10.
Your ability to troll is also astonishing. The point of the thread is valid so crawl back under your stack of monocles.
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.25 08:55:00 -
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Alright before this turns into another flame war, lets educate and discuss instead.
Answer this question.
Do you think someone who has more money than you and is willing to spend it should have an advantage in the game?
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Belidos Goveko
Caldari The Scattering
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Posted - 2011.08.25 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pteranodon
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
Erm, maybe because at the first hint of having a micro-transaction store most of the player went ape **** and threatened to cancel their subs if CCP ever introduced NEX store items that effected gameplay and created a "pay to win" situation.
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Ehdward
Caldari Nex Exercitus Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.08.25 08:57:00 -
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But then they wouldn't be vanity items anymore...
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Kunming
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire
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Posted - 2011.08.25 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Pteranodon
Originally by: Digital Messiah
Originally by: Pteranodon The general consensus is that vanity items are useless. But what if that changed & they did something?
Goggles to improve your targeting range- after all you see better with them polarised lenses.
Boots that improve your hull or armour
Jackets that aid your ability to overheat?
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
Your ability to contradict yourself astounds me 4/10.
Your ability to troll is also astonishing. The point of the thread is valid so crawl back under your stack of monocles.
LOL, you are the obvious troll here. If you wanna kill EVE its easier to just unplug the server you know.
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Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Belidos Goveko
Originally by: Pteranodon
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
Erm, maybe because at the first hint of having a micro-transaction store most of the player went ape **** and threatened to cancel their subs if CCP ever introduced NEX store items that effected gameplay and created a "pay to win" situation.
This arguement is again invalid & irrational. There is no difference between plugging in a set of slaves & plugging a set of monacles & boots. I agree that the items should be destroyed if podded but I see very little difference in buying a plex, converting to AUR & then buying the "vanity item". It is EXACTLY the same as using real money to buy a plex, convering it to ISK then buying your slave set.
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Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ehdward But then they wouldn't be vanity items anymore...
It is a vanity item because it has a LOOK & functionality. Designer sun glasses in real life perform the same function, mostly, as a cheaper pair but they have enhanced looks & ownership panache.
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:20:00 -
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Could you explain to me lore/storyline how the boots you wear will effect your ships HP? Or how a jacket will help combat heat issues on your ships modules? Not like its relevant, but how does clothes that you don't even wear while controlling the ship actually effect the ship?
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The Offerer
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: The Offerer on 25/08/2011 09:21:21
Originally by: Pteranodon The general consensus is that vanity items are useless. But what if that changed & they did something?
Goggles to improve your targeting range- after all you see better with them polarised lenses.
Boots that improve your hull or armour
Jackets that aid your ability to overheat?
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
Because we don't want performance boosting items in the game to be sold for cash. Have you missed all discussion/rage/protests/riots/flaming about it a couple of months ago? |
Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: The Offerer Edited by: The Offerer on 25/08/2011 09:21:21
Originally by: Pteranodon The general consensus is that vanity items are useless. But what if that changed & they did something?
Goggles to improve your targeting range- after all you see better with them polarised lenses.
Boots that improve your hull or armour
Jackets that aid your ability to overheat?
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
Because we don't want performance boosting items in the game to be sold for cash. Have you missed all discussion/rage/protests/riots/flaming about it a couple of months ago?
As I said earlier in this post. This arguement is irrational. How can you state this when you already have items like enhanced implants which you can buy through a real cash conversion process?- please explain the difference because I just don't see it.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:27:00 -
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Yes!
Fancy boots should make my 200 meter battleship fly faster in space! - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
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Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ciar Meara Yes!
Fancy boots should make my 200 meter battleship fly faster in space!
Your not thinking very much are you?
How can an implant in your head alter your signature radius or ability to tank? but it does.
So your boots could do something as it is proven that items that enhance ones appearence can affect how they react in real life & thus could be emulated in game.
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Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Thornat Alright before this turns into another flame war, lets educate and discuss instead.
Answer this question.
Do you think someone who has more money than you and is willing to spend it should have an advantage in the game?
I will answer this question. I see many members of my corp grind all day to pay for there in game subscription each month. I also see corp members log on for a few hours each week & buy there game time with real money. The preception must be that these people are richer & thus can play the game differently and are advantaged.
This has always been the way in Eve, differences of game play style & different ways to pay for your sub.
Once again your arguement holds no substance because your commenting on an aspect of the game that always has been there and always will be.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 25/08/2011 09:47:56
Originally by: Pteranodon
How can an implant in your head alter your signature radius or ability to tank? but it does.
So your boots could do something as it is proven that items that enhance ones appearence can affect how they react in real life & thus could be emulated in game.
Pods make a link with your brain/nervous system and the ship itself using the power of the brain to make a ship more effective then a ship with a normal crew. Basicly connecting the brain to the ship as a body to the brain.
Adding implants in your brain makes it so that your brainpower increases, essentially augmenting your capacities. Some implants can, in conjunction with your brain take over certain operations like armortanking and process the information needed for those routines, subroutines, algorithmes more effeciently then your brain alone could.
Fancy Boots on the other hand... are boots. I don't see why you have to make snyde comments though. I agreed with you 100% and even linked to an image that can serve as a basis for the 100% speed increase "Hermes - Godly messenger" Amarr only speed boots! - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pteranodon
Originally by: Belidos Goveko
Originally by: Pteranodon
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
Erm, maybe because at the first hint of having a micro-transaction store most of the player went ape **** and threatened to cancel their subs if CCP ever introduced NEX store items that effected gameplay and created a "pay to win" situation.
This arguement is again invalid & irrational. There is no difference between plugging in a set of slaves & plugging a set of monacles & boots. I agree that the items should be destroyed if podded but I see very little difference in buying a plex, converting to AUR & then buying the "vanity item". It is EXACTLY the same as using real money to buy a plex, convering it to ISK then buying your slave set.
Your mistaken, their is a big difference and the whole thing hinges on that fact.
Here is the process.
You buy a PLEX with real cash. You go into the game and sell a PLEX (TO ANOTHER PLAYER) who than gains 30 days of game time. You than go buy a Slave Implant with ISK (WHICH IS SOLD BY ANOTHER PLAYER). An implant gained through gameplay, an implant a player sells and gains ISK for and uses that ISK to continue to fuel the economy.
Buying stuff off the Vanity store is different because you cut the community and the game out of the equation entirely.
You go to the Vanity Store, Buy a Slave implant with real cash and implant it into your character. You gain an advantage, but the community gained nothing but an elitist player with an advantage because he had more money than you.
The point of the PLEX to Cash transaction is that its still part of the in game economy if it is used in any other way except buying it for cash and using it, which in itself already happens in every MMO in the world as their is no difference in that transaction and simply paying a monthly fee.
The PLEX today is infused into the economy and as such it creates trades and oppertunity for everyone in the game community. In essence your Cash, becomes someone elses ISK, which supports any number of players as the ISK is spent on the market.
Its still an issue in my opinion. I'm not crazy about any system in which players can gain anything with CASH in game other than the right to play and personally I think it was a bad decesion to introduce sanctioned CASH for ISK into the game, but as all MMO's experiance a third party market for in game assets, at least this way their is some semblance of order and control over Cash to ISK transaction, rather than the highly criminal aspect of the third party market.
But there is a difference between what your proposing and what already exists.
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Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ciar Meara Edited by: Ciar Meara on 25/08/2011 09:47:56
Originally by: Pteranodon
How can an implant in your head alter your signature radius or ability to tank? but it does.
So your boots could do something as it is proven that items that enhance ones appearence can affect how they react in real life & thus could be emulated in game.
Pods make a link with your brain/nervous system and the ship itself using the power of the brain to make a ship more effective then a ship with a normal crew. Basicly connecting the brain to the ship as a body to the brain.
Adding implants in your brain makes it so that your brainpower increases, essentially augmenting your capacities. Some implants can, in conjunction with your brain take over certain operations like armortanking and process the information needed for those routines, subroutines, algorithmes more effeciently then your brain alone could.
Fancy Boots on the other hand... are boots. I don't see why you have to make snyde comments though. I agreed with you 100% and even linked to an image that can serve as a basis for the 100% speed increase "Hermes - Godly messenger" Amarr only speed boots!
Try kicking a brick wall with your bare toes- then do it with your boots on. See which hurts more. There you go, the boots give your feet armour.
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Pteranodon
Originally by: Thornat Alright before this turns into another flame war, lets educate and discuss instead.
Answer this question.
Do you think someone who has more money than you and is willing to spend it should have an advantage in the game?
I will answer this question. I see many members of my corp grind all day to pay for there in game subscription each month. I also see corp members log on for a few hours each week & buy there game time with real money. The preception must be that these people are richer & thus can play the game differently and are advantaged.
This has always been the way in Eve, differences of game play style & different ways to pay for your sub.
Once again your arguement holds no substance because your commenting on an aspect of the game that always has been there and always will be.
Your mixing apples and oranges. And again missing the point here. There is a difference between an in game item that is created in game, bought and sold in game and fuels the economy in game to an item simply purchased for cash.
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Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Thornat
Originally by: Pteranodon
Originally by: Belidos Goveko
Originally by: Pteranodon
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
Erm, maybe because at the first hint of having a micro-transaction store most of the player went ape **** and threatened to cancel their subs if CCP ever introduced NEX store items that effected gameplay and created a "pay to win" situation.
This arguement is again invalid & irrational. There is no difference between plugging in a set of slaves & plugging a set of monacles & boots. I agree that the items should be destroyed if podded but I see very little difference in buying a plex, converting to AUR & then buying the "vanity item". It is EXACTLY the same as using real money to buy a plex, convering it to ISK then buying your slave set.
Your mistaken, their is a big difference and the whole thing hinges on that fact.
Here is the process.
You buy a PLEX with real cash. You go into the game and sell a PLEX (TO ANOTHER PLAYER) who than gains 30 days of game time. You than go buy a Slave Implant with ISK (WHICH IS SOLD BY ANOTHER PLAYER). An implant gained through gameplay, an implant a player sells and gains ISK for and uses that ISK to continue to fuel the economy.
Buying stuff off the Vanity store is different because you cut the community and the game out of the equation entirely.
You go to the Vanity Store, Buy a Slave implant with real cash and implant it into your character. You gain an advantage, but the community gained nothing but an elitist player with an advantage because he had more money than you.
The point of the PLEX to Cash transaction is that its still part of the in game economy if it is used in any other way except buying it for cash and using it, which in itself already happens in every MMO in the world as their is no difference in that transaction and simply paying a monthly fee.
The PLEX today is infused into the economy and as such it creates trades and oppertunity for everyone in the game community. In essence your Cash, becomes someone elses ISK, which supports any number of players as the ISK is spent on the market.
Its still an issue in my opinion. I'm not crazy about any system in which players can gain anything with CASH in game other than the right to play and personally I think it was a bad decesion to introduce sanctioned CASH for ISK into the game, but as all MMO's experiance a third party market for in game assets, at least this way their is some semblance of order and control over Cash to ISK transaction, rather than the highly criminal aspect of the third party market.
But there is a difference between what your proposing and what already exists.
I see your point but my equation was Realmoney=Plex=AUR=Item so what IS the difference?
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Leah Solo
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Pteranodon
Originally by: Thornat Alright before this turns into another flame war, lets educate and discuss instead.
Answer this question.
Do you think someone who has more money than you and is willing to spend it should have an advantage in the game?
I will answer this question. I see many members of my corp grind all day to pay for there in game subscription each month. I also see corp members log on for a few hours each week & buy there game time with real money. The preception must be that these people are richer & thus can play the game differently and are advantaged.
This has always been the way in Eve, differences of game play style & different ways to pay for your sub.
Once again your arguement holds no substance because your commenting on an aspect of the game that always has been there and always will be.
Are you cutting class to troll on the interwebz again?
You know, slacking can get you into lot of trouble with your parents, and your elementary school teacher.
Though young lad, you could've read some lore before posting..but then again EVE can be sometimes hard to comprehend, for a 13 year old.
Here..have a cookie, and run along now little fellow!
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Kaomond
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kaomond on 25/08/2011 09:57:47
Originally by: Pteranodon
Originally by: Belidos Goveko
Originally by: Pteranodon
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
Erm, maybe because at the first hint of having a micro-transaction store most of the player went ape **** and threatened to cancel their subs if CCP ever introduced NEX store items that effected gameplay and created a "pay to win" situation.
This arguement is again invalid & irrational. There is no difference between plugging in a set of slaves & plugging a set of monacles & boots. I agree that the items should be destroyed if podded but I see very little difference in buying a plex, converting to AUR & then buying the "vanity item". It is EXACTLY the same as using real money to buy a plex, convering it to ISK then buying your slave set.
Regardless of whether the initial argument is irrational or invalid, it is the opinion and stance of what appears to be a majority of the user base, if the whole user base were to stand up and quit because there was green in the game then CCP would have to remove the green or lose their players. Likewise here people have made it clear that they do not want items in the nex store that effect the game, if ccp wish to keep those customers then they have to comply.
Rationality, validity or even intelligence and common sense do not enter the equasion, it is all about satisfying the customers and keeping the money rolling in.
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Pak Narhoo
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Pteranodon
Originally by: Ciar Meara Yes!
Fancy boots should make my 200 meter battleship fly faster in space!
Your not thinking very much are you?
No you don't. Stop proving that.
1 - You are naked, nude, without any clothes, in your pod. Ergo no cloths.
2 - In your pod you are connected through all sorts of wires with the rest of your ship.
3 - An implant as the word already describes is implanted (duh) in your head. Therefore its in you and with you connected through the tubes and wires trough your pod's interface with the rest of your ship.
4 - An implant because it is implanted in your head cannot be removed without destroying it.
5 - A dumb overpriced vanity monocle can be removed and insult to injury cannot be destroyed if you wear it.
6 - Vanity items are made out of thin air. No minerals where mined, no player made it, no blueprints where used, no nothing. You insert money and *poof* stupid M(ega)T(ransaction) vanity items appear out of thin air.
Now on the other hand if I buy a GTC with cash, trade it for isk and with the isk I buy a battleship, somewhere, someone mined the minerals to build that ship. Someone coughed up a BPO or BPC to build said ship. It does not stupidly appear out of thin magic air.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 25/08/2011 09:59:07
Originally by: Pteranodon
Try kicking a brick wall with your bare toes- then do it with your boots on. See which hurts more. There you go, the boots give your feet armour.
I agree, but my fancy boots "Hermes - Godly messenger" would only give speed increases though. For armour you'd have to buy the "thor-Armour of faith" boots of armour!
These are all excellent suggestions, I hope CCP is datamining this thread to the extreme! (I can also work as freelance consultant) - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
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Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Thornat
Originally by: Pteranodon
Originally by: Thornat Alright before this turns into another flame war, lets educate and discuss instead.
Answer this question.
Do you think someone who has more money than you and is willing to spend it should have an advantage in the game?
I will answer this question. I see many members of my corp grind all day to pay for there in game subscription each month. I also see corp members log on for a few hours each week & buy there game time with real money. The preception must be that these people are richer & thus can play the game differently and are advantaged.
This has always been the way in Eve, differences of game play style & different ways to pay for your sub.
Once again your arguement holds no substance because your commenting on an aspect of the game that always has been there and always will be.
Your mixing apples and oranges. And again missing the point here. There is a difference between an in game item that is created in game, bought and sold in game and fuels the economy in game to an item simply purchased for cash.
I have real money. I buy a plex & convert it to AUR. I then buy my vanity item. The benefits of plex to the economy is still maintained so I repeat the observation what's different?
The only route to get to the NEX should IMO be the conversion of Plex to AUR & not direct money transactions. That should keep everybody happy
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Cynoska McNamara
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Posted - 2011.08.25 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Cynoska McNamara on 25/08/2011 10:27:28 Edited by: Cynoska McNamara on 25/08/2011 10:27:08
Originally by: Pteranodon I have real money. I buy a plex & convert it to AUR. I then buy my vanity item. The benefits of plex to the economy is still maintained so I repeat the observation what's different?
it is impossible to argue with those who are not able to read. The benefits of plex to the EVE economy is not maintained.. EVE ECONOMY... NOT CCP ECONOMY!!! When you buy a PLEX from CCP Store you don't pay to a player. Read and study the previous posts and try to understand how the economy works.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
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Posted - 2011.08.25 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx on 25/08/2011 10:34:36 hey OP
do you not remember the demontrations, the people that cancelled subs, how the community was in uproar, did you miss all of that ?
so what part of vanity only are you not getting ?
if you want to play dress up ya doll knock yourself out, spend thousands doing it for all i care, but to make NEX store items non vanity and this is what you are really saying now isn't it.
NO !
Goggles to improve your targeting range- after all you see better with them polarised lenses.
you are in space, in a pod, you are not using your eyes, you are using sensors on your ship.
Boots that improve your hull or armour
boots are good for walking, i suggest you use yours, the door is that way >>>>
Jackets that aid your ability to overheat?
are you not aware of how you fly your ship at all, again you are in a pod, naked ! ffs read up about the storyline behind the game.
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
they didn't miss anything, they knew from the reaction of the community that selling game breaking items (non vanity) was a NO NO !
you don't have a monocle yet because you still saving for it.
terrible post, terrible suggestions. you'd do you self better to go read up about the game you play than to make random ****e suggestions.
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The Offerer
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.25 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: The Offerer on 25/08/2011 10:55:03
Originally by: Pteranodon I see your point but my equation was Realmoney=Plex=AUR=Item so what IS the difference?
He explained it pretty well as I was searching for my previous answers to this exact same question. It really comes down to this graph: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/MTGraph01.jpg
You see, in a game where players run the economy and create content and game developer only provides the shell, you can't have a system that will support direct MT transactions for anything related to the game, except vanity items. Players create content in multiple ways: by forming corporations, declaring wars, defending assets, attacking assets, trading, doing industry, interacting and making communities. All player activities are connected, as shown on the graph. When you eliminate the need to obtain a certain item by in-game means, you have effectively eliminated the need for certain player actions in the game. And since all player actions are connected and depend on each other, you've broken the game. Not to mention that if you remove demand for any in-game activity, the game will lose those subscribers affected by it and many others that depend on the content that those players provided. That is a start of a chain reaction of abandoning the game, because without player created content, the game is just an empty shell no matter how shiny it looks.
edit: And yeah...
Gameplay >>> Item is NOT Thin Air >>> Item
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.25 11:07:00 -
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What he said ^^.
You can't be cutting us "elitists" out of the loop. How would we stay elite? . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.25 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Thornat on 25/08/2011 11:24:44 Edited by: Thornat on 25/08/2011 11:24:12 No matter how you swing it, the introduction of an ITEM into the game that is purchased through a cash transaction that grants a player a benefit, that does not originate from in the game is different than buying an ITEM out of the game with cash that grants no advantage that wasn't created in game (like a PLEX or Fancy clothes for your avatar). Another words buying a PLEX or clothes doesn't grant you an advantage over other players, while a slave implant does.
The reason is simple, if it originates in game it is subject to the in game economics and mechanics. Slave implants aren't easy to aquire, the price varies, their availability varies. People trade in slaves etc.. By originating outside of the game that person has an advantage that he didn't earn through gameplay eliminating other players from the equation. Worse yet is if a player for example decides to buy 30 slaves through the AUR and than sells them back into the game now he disrupts the natural order of the game. People who earn plexes through gameplay, buy them through game play, trade them etc...
The point here is that it would negatively effect the economy and mechanics, slaves for example might become worthless items in game just by one player deciding **** it I'll spend 1000 dollars and buy 50 of the ****ers and give them to all my corp mates.
With Eve you have to think about both the long term and large scale effects. What happens to the Eve economy if suddenly high end items are introduced into the game by the thousands without the player economy being involved in their aquisition and creation?
EDIT: Just wanted to add, that even if their was a way to make it work where everyone is involved, their is a general consensus that this type of transaction is simply unwanted and when you consider that the mere suggest, that maybe sometime in the distant future this might come undconsideration caused a game wide **** storm and protest should be enough to convince everyone that even if their was a way to logically justify it, it should never happen. Simply put if the community rejects it and you put it in, you are working directly against your customer base, the very definition of bad business.
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Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
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Posted - 2011.08.25 11:26:00 -
[32]
Guys that's just another marketing tryout to see if storm passed by and they can introduce bonused items in their MT store.
Well idiots from marketing, you saw the storm but didn't realized it's just a light wind in sunny day. You flyboys go ahead and introduce your beloved bonused items in your NoX MT store. And file a jobless petition right away. Since your company won't have any money to employ you in matter of days not even weeks. About 50% of player base just sitting there in their spaceships waiting for you to go ahead with something like this. You gonna loose all of them in first day and rest of people you going to lose in a few days to come since nobody will have fun flying in half empty universe. And what a lovely reviews you going to get from all types of sites which will ensure no new players influx sufficient to sustain even Jita.
Go ahead idiots, kill the game. It will be epic in history of gaming industry. Epic failure and monument of stupidity.
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Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 11:39:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Pteranodon on 25/08/2011 11:39:20
Originally by: xxxTRUSTxxx Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx on 25/08/2011 10:34:36 hey OP
do you not remember the demontrations, the people that cancelled subs, how the community was in uproar, did you miss all of that ?
so what part of vanity only are you not getting ?
if you want to play dress up ya doll knock yourself out, spend thousands doing it for all i care, but to make NEX store items non vanity and this is what you are really saying now isn't it.
NO !
Goggles to improve your targeting range- after all you see better with them polarised lenses.
you are in space, in a pod, you are not using your eyes, you are using sensors on your ship.
Boots that improve your hull or armour
boots are good for walking, i suggest you use yours, the door is that way >>>>
Jackets that aid your ability to overheat?
are you not aware of how you fly your ship at all, again you are in a pod, naked ! ffs read up about the storyline behind the game.
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
they didn't miss anything, they knew from the reaction of the community that selling game breaking items (non vanity) was a NO NO !
you don't have a monocle yet because you still saving for it.
terrible post, terrible suggestions. you'd do you self better to go read up about the game you play than to make random ****e suggestions.
If I examine your post it seems that the only person who has a valid opinion in this game is yours.
As for the comment about not being able to afford vanity items I would buy then if I saw added value. This was the whole purpose of the post. It was not to debate the merits of MT items being good, bad or game breaking.
As for still saving up for them- when was the last time you lost an officer fitted Nyx- went out & bought a new one & still can afford to buy another if that got lost?
I don't need to justify my experience or opinions on this game aspect to you or anybody. I only state what I see & try & understand the nuances.
You would do better to educate than ridicule & that makes the game better for everybody.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.25 11:46:00 -
[34]
Ze goggles zey do nothing!
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Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 11:47:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Ze goggles zey do nothing!
Yes they do- they make you look a tW*t
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Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
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Posted - 2011.08.25 11:49:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Pteranodon If I examine your post it seems that the only person who has a valid opinion in this game is yours.
As for the comment about not being able to afford vanity items I would buy then if I saw added value. This was the whole purpose of the post. It was not to debate the merits of MT items being good, bad or game breaking.
As for still saving up for them- when was the last time you lost an officer fitted Nyx- went out & bought a new one & still can afford to buy another if that got lost?
I don't need to justify my experience or opinions on this game aspect to you or anybody. I only state what I see & try & understand the nuances.
You would do better to educate than ridicule & that makes the game better for everybody.
Why dont you go play WoW child? Because you lose there every time and other players take your stuff so you got to pay every time for more and hope in EVE it will be better? Btw next time pick less laughable name. Your Op and your name reflect each other.
Oh i got here a superitem for you. Just for you bonused boots only for 1000$. Give real nice boost when hit your *ss so you fly through the door with real loud bang. But i suppose you already made one loud bang.
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2011.08.25 11:51:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Pteranodon
Originally by: Belidos Goveko
Originally by: Pteranodon
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
Erm, maybe because at the first hint of having a micro-transaction store most of the player went ape **** and threatened to cancel their subs if CCP ever introduced NEX store items that effected gameplay and created a "pay to win" situation.
This arguement is again invalid & irrational. There is no difference between plugging in a set of slaves & plugging a set of monacles & boots. I agree that the items should be destroyed if podded but I see very little difference in buying a plex, converting to AUR & then buying the "vanity item". It is EXACTLY the same as using real money to buy a plex, convering it to ISK then buying your slave set.
I can buy a slave set through isk generated by ratting/trading/whatever but I cannot buy a pair of hello Kitty Space Googles without the purchase of a plex. In purchasing a plex somebody has had to pay money for it. At least try to think when your posting.
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HoWaa
Gallente Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2011.08.25 11:58:00 -
[38]
This is a very good idea... i would never get hit by a sniper bs from this range... oh goggles damn - 123 |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.25 12:00:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Pteranodon
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Ze goggles zey do nothing!
Yes they do- they make you look a tW*t
For the people that can't do it via posting on the forums. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Aaron Aardvark
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.08.25 12:02:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Pteranodon The general consensus is that vanity items are useless. But what if that changed & they did something?
Hi troll, Incase you have been living in a box or completely new to Eve you would know that the last time people thought CCP might add MT items that give an advantage there was outrage. About 1200 players shot a statue in Jita. Do you want 1200 players shooting you?
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Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 12:10:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Aaron Aardvark
Originally by: Pteranodon The general consensus is that vanity items are useless. But what if that changed & they did something?
Hi troll, Incase you have been living in a box or completely new to Eve you would know that the last time people thought CCP might add MT items that give an advantage there was outrage. About 1200 players shot a statue in Jita. Do you want 1200 players shooting you?
Well that would be 1200 people like you, most were just lemmings jumping over the cliff.........
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Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 12:15:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Originally by: Pteranodon If I examine your post it seems that the only person who has a valid opinion in this game is yours.
As for the comment about not being able to afford vanity items I would buy then if I saw added value. This was the whole purpose of the post. It was not to debate the merits of MT items being good, bad or game breaking.
As for still saving up for them- when was the last time you lost an officer fitted Nyx- went out & bought a new one & still can afford to buy another if that got lost?
I don't need to justify my experience or opinions on this game aspect to you or anybody. I only state what I see & try & understand the nuances.
You would do better to educate than ridicule & that makes the game better for everybody.
Why dont you go play WoW child? Because you lose there every time and other players take your stuff so you got to pay every time for more and hope in EVE it will be better? Btw next time pick less laughable name. Your Op and your name reflect each other.
Oh i got here a superitem for you. Just for you bonused boots only for 1000$. Give real nice boost when hit your *ss so you fly through the door with real loud bang. But i suppose you already made one loud bang.
Well. It is not my fault I'm rich in game & your a failure. I bet you pinch your dad's credit card to fund your menial eve existence.
As for my name at least I ain't got probing in it- I wonder what you probe.
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WeirdNoise
Caldari tagueuletoi
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:08:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Thornat
Do you think someone who has more money than you and is willing to spend it should have an advantage in the game?
That's not even the point. The point is, what effect does P2W have on online games? What does the History of the MMO market teach us ?
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:12:00 -
[44]
Originally by: WeirdNoise
Originally by: Thornat
Do you think someone who has more money than you and is willing to spend it should have an advantage in the game?
That's not even the point. The point is, what effect does P2W have on online games? What does the History of the MMO market teach us ?
I get what your saying here but the thing is, that if you answer that question "Yes", your no longer playing games for the right reason and become irrelevant. Its as simple as that for me. No real gamer would ever shell out real money to buy their way into a game, the whole point of playing games is to play and achieve things in the game.
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WeirdNoise
Caldari tagueuletoi
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:22:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Kaomond
Regardless of whether the initial argument is irrational or invalid, it is the opinion and stance of what appears to be a majority of the user base, if the whole user base were to stand up and quit because there was green in the game then CCP would have to remove the green or lose their players. Likewise here people have made it clear that they do not want items in the nex store that effect the game, if ccp wish to keep those customers then they have to comply.
Rationality, validity or even intelligence and common sense do not enter the equasion, it is all about satisfying the customers and keeping the money rolling in.
Once a cheater, always a cheater; once an addict, always an addict; once a botter, always a botter. Once a company becomes a P2W-P.O.S., it will always be a P2W-P.O.S.
You can no more revert to virtuous business practices than you can become a virgin again or have your backdoor re-sewn after you "walked" the streets.
I'm not making these metaphors purely out of a funny vibe, they do bear real correspondences and hide occult realities. Once a company has tasted to the mafia-like business-practices, it is corrupted to the bone and won't ever come back to be clean again.
CCP is falling into temptation these past months and the player base is alarmed. We have seen too many MMOs' backdoors become "enlarged".
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WeirdNoise
Caldari tagueuletoi
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:26:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Thornat
Originally by: WeirdNoise
Originally by: Thornat
Do you think someone who has more money than you and is willing to spend it should have an advantage in the game?
That's not even the point. The point is, what effect does P2W have on online games? What does the History of the MMO market teach us ?
I get what your saying here but the thing is, that if you answer that question "Yes", your no longer playing games for the right reason and become irrelevant. Its as simple as that for me. No real gamer would ever shell out real money to buy their way into a game, the whole point of playing games is to play and achieve things in the game.
I hope you didn't assume I would answer yes to that question. Not only would I answer No, but the real issue is way broader and higher than that simple question of player-ethics. Hence my post above this one.
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:27:00 -
[47]
Originally by: WeirdNoise
Originally by: Kaomond
Regardless of whether the initial argument is irrational or invalid, it is the opinion and stance of what appears to be a majority of the user base, if the whole user base were to stand up and quit because there was green in the game then CCP would have to remove the green or lose their players. Likewise here people have made it clear that they do not want items in the nex store that effect the game, if ccp wish to keep those customers then they have to comply.
Rationality, validity or even intelligence and common sense do not enter the equasion, it is all about satisfying the customers and keeping the money rolling in.
Once a cheater, always a cheater; once an addict, always an addict; once a botter, always a botter. Once a company becomes a P2W-P.O.S., it will always be a P2W-P.O.S.
You can no more revert to virtuous business practices than you can become a virgin again or have your backdoor re-sewn after you "walked" the streets.
I'm not making these metaphors purely out of a funny vibe, they do bear real correspondences and hide occult realities. Once a company has tasted to the mafia-like business-practices, it is corrupted to the bone and won't ever come back to be clean again.
CCP is falling into temptation these past months and the player base is alarmed. We have seen too many MMOs' backdoors become "enlarged".
True that!
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HoWaa
Gallente Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:38:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Pteranodon
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Originally by: Pteranodon If I examine your post it seems that the only person who has a valid opinion in this game is yours.
As for the comment about not being able to afford vanity items I would buy then if I saw added value. This was the whole purpose of the post. It was not to debate the merits of MT items being good, bad or game breaking.
As for still saving up for them- when was the last time you lost an officer fitted Nyx- went out & bought a new one & still can afford to buy another if that got lost?
I don't need to justify my experience or opinions on this game aspect to you or anybody. I only state what I see & try & understand the nuances.
You would do better to educate than ridicule & that makes the game better for everybody.
Why dont you go play WoW child? Because you lose there every time and other players take your stuff so you got to pay every time for more and hope in EVE it will be better? Btw next time pick less laughable name. Your Op and your name reflect each other.
Oh i got here a superitem for you. Just for you bonused boots only for 1000$. Give real nice boost when hit your *ss so you fly through the door with real loud bang. But i suppose you already made one loud bang.
Well. It is not my fault I'm rich in game & your a failure. I bet you pinch your dad's credit card to fund your menial eve existence.
As for my name at least I ain't got probing in it- I wonder what you probe.
i remember when i was in ur corp and you used to buy multiple plexes to sell for isk to get carriers in wormholes and then lose them while having posses with original blueprints free for everyone to take... good times. - 123 |
Pteranodon
Caldari Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:55:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Pteranodon on 25/08/2011 13:56:37
Originally by: HoWaa
Originally by: Pteranodon
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Originally by: Pteranodon If I examine your post it seems that the only person who has a valid opinion in this game is yours.
As for the comment about not being able to afford vanity items I would buy then if I saw added value. This was the whole purpose of the post. It was not to debate the merits of MT items being good, bad or game breaking.
As for still saving up for them- when was the last time you lost an officer fitted Nyx- went out & bought a new one & still can afford to buy another if that got lost?
I don't need to justify my experience or opinions on this game aspect to you or anybody. I only state what I see & try & understand the nuances.
You would do better to educate than ridicule & that makes the game better for everybody.
Why dont you go play WoW child? Because you lose there every time and other players take your stuff so you got to pay every time for more and hope in EVE it will be better? Btw next time pick less laughable name. Your Op and your name reflect each other.
Oh i got here a superitem for you. Just for you bonused boots only for 1000$. Give real nice boost when hit your *ss so you fly through the door with real loud bang. But i suppose you already made one loud bang.
Well. It is not my fault I'm rich in game & your a failure. I bet you pinch your dad's credit card to fund your menial eve existence.
As for my name at least I ain't got probing in it- I wonder what you probe.
i remember when i was in ur corp and you used to buy multiple plexes to sell for isk to get carriers in wormholes and then lose them while having posses with original blueprints free for everyone to take... good times.
It is strange how old corp colleagues turn against you.
I remember a time when I looked after everybody in corp like brothers & would do anything for anybody.
I think if you ask Romulus you would find that he built the carriers in the wormhole & nothing was purchased as well as the Moros & the Rorqual which he also built.
None of this came from real money to buy plex. It was all gained from the mining in the wormhole.
The blueprints were held by trusted directors who ran off with them when there own greed & grass greener perceptions got the better of them. Funny how Rom tracked the blueprints down & returned them to me.
I remember how I helped people like you & contrary to what you believe I still have the greatest respect from many of the old corp who I still interact with.
I walked out of Colid with me head help high with my respect intact & many of the old corp members are greatful for the experiences we had together.
So play your tissue of lies to somebody who has time for you because I don't have the time & I'm not intersted.
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Rohnann Varr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:10:00 -
[50]
Not that I want to walk on the already paper-thin ice here...
But I fail to understand the actual conflict.
Why do people get worked up about a system that grants them items for a game which virtually do nothing? If I were to fight a player in space who is wearing a monocle the only thing it tells me is, that he either paid for it with real money or scooped up an immense amount of ISK to pay for it. Secondarily it tells me that, if so, he might be a dedicated player who has more experience and maybe better equipment than me... or not. It doesn't explicitly let me know, that the player has more armor, aims better, has more raw DPS, etc, because if he does, it's because of the player himself, not because of the items in question.
Vanity items already have a distinct attribute: They are vanity items, costume parts, what ever you might want to name it.
In all honesty, we should be GRATEFUL, that the NeX store is the way it is (well, except for being inexistant in favor of actual game content, set aside). Things might have went for the worse.
People who played Battlefield Heroes might know what I mean. At first real money was exclusively used for vanity items and the promised business model was to never provide a exclusive benefit over the freeplayers. Everything that was buyable with real money was buyable with ingame money.
Then the business model changed, Uber-weapons were included, health and repair items were made cash only and lots of players went ape**** about it. I've stopped playing before that happened (and in all honesty, if I felt like it, i'd probably give it another shot).
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Tethys Atreides
The Audacity of Huge
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:36:00 -
[51]
I think it speaks very highly of CCP that they allow the mentally infirm to create threads on this forum.
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Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:47:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Pteranodon Well. It is not my fault I'm rich in game & your a failure. I bet you pinch your dad's credit card to fund your menial eve existence.
As for my name at least I ain't got probing in it- I wonder what you probe.
LoL Is that all you came up with troll? That's really all? Silly. Probing name passage? LoLz. You funny. Please please put monocle picture on. So that we all have a good laugh.
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2011.08.25 17:29:00 -
[53]
Hilmar, at least post with your main
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Rath Kelbore
Spaceship Hooligan Productions
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Posted - 2011.08.25 19:02:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Thornat Edited by: Thornat on 25/08/2011 11:24:44 Edited by: Thornat on 25/08/2011 11:24:12 No matter how you swing it, the introduction of an ITEM into the game that is purchased through a cash transaction that grants a player a benefit, that does not originate from in the game is different than buying an ITEM out of the game with cash that grants no advantage that wasn't created in game (like a PLEX or Fancy clothes for your avatar). Another words buying a PLEX or clothes doesn't grant you an advantage over other players, while a slave implant does.
The reason is simple, if it originates in game it is subject to the in game economics and mechanics. Slave implants aren't easy to aquire, the price varies, their availability varies. People trade in slaves etc.. By originating outside of the game that person has an advantage that he didn't earn through gameplay eliminating other players from the equation. Worse yet is if a player for example decides to buy 30 slaves through the AUR and than sells them back into the game now he disrupts the natural order of the game. People who earn plexes through gameplay, buy them through game play, trade them etc...
The point here is that it would negatively effect the economy and mechanics, slaves for example might become worthless items in game just by one player deciding **** it I'll spend 1000 dollars and buy 50 of the ****ers and give them to all my corp mates.
With Eve you have to think about both the long term and large scale effects. What happens to the Eve economy if suddenly high end items are introduced into the game by the thousands without the player economy being involved in their aquisition and creation?
EDIT: Just wanted to add, that even if their was a way to make it work where everyone is involved, their is a general consensus that this type of transaction is simply unwanted and when you consider that the mere suggest, that maybe sometime in the distant future this might come undconsideration caused a game wide **** storm and protest should be enough to convince everyone that even if their was a way to logically justify it, it should never happen. Simply put if the community rejects it and you put it in, you are working directly against your customer base, the very definition of bad business.
This person makes sense.
@ OP: Your original argument of plex = isk = items makes sense on the surface but as thornat has explained any items gained by doing it that way are created in game by another player that has spent time to create said item. Just wanted to reiterate that.
The vanity stuff really doesn't bother me, but "P2W" stuff isn't any fun. I think it would hurt the in game economy.
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FilterRelease
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Posted - 2011.08.25 19:13:00 -
[55]
I would consider these items if they were seeded in the game without the store involvement.
But otherwise this idea is dumb
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Bloutok
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Posted - 2011.08.25 21:32:00 -
[56]
I only read a few post.
I could not care less if we can or cannot play barbie.
I played free games for 2 years before coming to Eve and half the reason why i came to Eve was that it is NOT free to play. The other 50% is that it's a SF type of game.
To me, that means money should never buy you an advantage. I will say right away that i do not mind real money buying a 100k SP toon and, yes! I am fine living with my own contradictions.
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Trainwreck McGee
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Posted - 2011.08.25 21:44:00 -
[57]
oooo i cant wait until i can get my belt of agility!!!!
on a serious note if troll 3/10......if stupid 10/10
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raker
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Posted - 2011.08.25 21:57:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Tethys Atreides I think it speaks very highly of CCP that they allow the mentally infirm to create threads on this forum.
LMFAO :)
To the OP, vanity items are what they say, they are not for P2W
Lets not open that can of worms again, I feel most of the playerbase have made themselves very clear on that point
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Velicitia
Gallente Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.08.25 21:57:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Pteranodon The general consensus is that vanity items are useless. But what if that changed & they did something?
Goggles to improve your targeting range- after all you see better with them polarised lenses.
Boots that improve your hull or armour
Jackets that aid your ability to overheat?
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
I don't think "vanity" means what you think it means... =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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xxxTRUSTxxx
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Posted - 2011.08.25 22:57:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Pteranodon Edited by: Pteranodon on 25/08/2011 11:39:20
Originally by: xxxTRUSTxxx Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx on 25/08/2011 10:34:36 hey OP
do you not remember the demontrations, the people that cancelled subs, how the community was in uproar, did you miss all of that ?
so what part of vanity only are you not getting ?
if you want to play dress up ya doll knock yourself out, spend thousands doing it for all i care, but to make NEX store items non vanity and this is what you are really saying now isn't it.
NO !
Goggles to improve your targeting range- after all you see better with them polarised lenses.
you are in space, in a pod, you are not using your eyes, you are using sensors on your ship.
Boots that improve your hull or armour
boots are good for walking, i suggest you use yours, the door is that way >>>>
Jackets that aid your ability to overheat?
are you not aware of how you fly your ship at all, again you are in a pod, naked ! ffs read up about the storyline behind the game.
Why has CCP missed these opportunities- at least they could make vanity items worth something & no- I don't want any monocles or goggles just yet.
they didn't miss anything, they knew from the reaction of the community that selling game breaking items (non vanity) was a NO NO !
you don't have a monocle yet because you still saving for it.
terrible post, terrible suggestions. you'd do you self better to go read up about the game you play than to make random ****e suggestions.
If I examine your post it seems that the only person who has a valid opinion in this game is yours.
As for the comment about not being able to afford vanity items I would buy then if I saw added value. This was the whole purpose of the post. It was not to debate the merits of MT items being good, bad or game breaking.
As for still saving up for them- when was the last time you lost an officer fitted Nyx- went out & bought a new one & still can afford to buy another if that got lost?
I don't need to justify my experience or opinions on this game aspect to you or anybody. I only state what I see & try & understand the nuances.
You would do better to educate than ridicule & that makes the game better for everybody.
examine away all you want, it was my opinion, not one that i forced on anyone, mine and mine alone, i do not pretend to prepresent the community, i only stated how i felt, which may or may not be on a parallel with other fellow community member, but more than likely is.
you suggested ****e, i pointed it out for what it was, don't be butt hurt about it.
you want a win button for cash,, i my friend among many others,, DO NOT !
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