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Tracey Emin
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:31:00 -
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Amazing the amount of "eve is a pvp game you play in a group" posts.
List of pvp and group stuff ---------------------------------- Null/low sec roams and idiot gatecamping
Hisec being an idiot ganking/griefing
Red vs Blue (actually make that solo)
Faction war (actually can play solo)
Incursions
List of things PVE and solo ----------------------------- Missions
Ratting
Exploring
COSMOS
Research
Mining
Production
Ninja Salvage
Trading
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It's a PVE game dammit, so give the soloer a break!
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:44:00 -
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Your bias is showing. --Vel
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:47:00 -
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to OP: you are THE FAMOUS MAN now!
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Velicitia
Gallente Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tracey Emin Amazing the amount of "eve is a pvp game you play in a group" posts.
List of pvp and group stuff ---------------------------------- Null/low sec roams and idiot gatecamping
Hisec being an idiot ganking/griefing
Red vs Blue (actually make that solo)
Faction war (actually can play solo)
Incursions
List of things PVE and solo ----------------------------- Missions can lead to PVP though... see ninja salvage/looting
Ratting eh, this one's touchy... though if I get to it first ... I'm impacting you
Exploring PVP
COSMOS see "Missioning"
Research PVP -- I can make stuff better than you
Mining PVP -- it's my ore dammit!
Production PVP -- see research
Ninja Salvage PVP -- you should've been faster
Trading there's a reason it's called "Market PVP"
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It's a PVE game dammit, so give the soloer a break!
my responses in bold... "PvP" is simply "Player v. Player"; yes, most people think that means "combat" ... which is true for most PVE-centric MMOs (see WOW).
EVE is the framework that we (the players) use in order to have a fun game. Without player interaction (PVP), there is nothing "fun" to do.
our sandbox needs PVP to be anything beyond an empty sandbox...
see post #14 in this thread for a more long-winded explanation... =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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Kilrayn
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tracey Emin
It's a PVE game dammit, so give the soloer a break!
No, it's a sandbox. If you choose to play in the sandbox as if it were a pve solo game, then that's how YOU play in the sandbox. Your view doesn't change what the sandbox is, only your perception of it.
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Takamori Maruyama
Amarr Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:58:00 -
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Tracey Emin
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Posted - 2011.08.25 15:21:00 -
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I got nothing against PVP but way too many players think it's the only way, and my only "problem" with eve is the big imbalance when playing solo.
I'm actually really looking forward to DUST, PS3 next to the PC adds a totally new dimension in gameplay.
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Dradius Calvantia
BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.08.25 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tracey Emin Amazing the amount of "eve is a pvp game you play in a group" posts.
List of pvp and group stuff ---------------------------------- Null/low sec roams and idiot gatecamping
Hisec being an idiot ganking/griefing
Red vs Blue (actually make that solo)
Faction war (actually can play solo)
Incursions
List of things PVE and solo ----------------------------- Missions
Ratting
Exploring
COSMOS
Research
Mining
Production
Ninja Salvage
Trading
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It's a PVE game dammit, so give the soloer a break!
Fail to see your point, every last thing you listed is PVP. If you can not see that, your an idiot.
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Vak'ran
TUIG Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.25 15:44:00 -
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ITT: List of ingame activities seperated in obvious and slightly less obvious PVP aspects.
PVP is not PK
PVP is central to EVE PK is possible in most aspects of EVE (though in a few cases nobody would bother, mostly)
Working as intended, your list does not show anything to the contrary.
Actually its rather biased (beyond the obviously biased choice of words) as you decide to flesh out the indirect PVP section while only mentioning the bare mininum of PVP combat.
Also, soloing is very possible in EVE, as long as you do not expect returns and risk aversion on par with interactive play - you know, the kind the game is designed to instill?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.25 16:15:00 -
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I realized Eve was a Carebear game when I joined a nullsec corp and saw what "PvP" involved. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.08.25 16:18:00 -
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Secure 3rd party service | in-game 'Holy Veldspar' Now /w voice |
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.08.25 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolus on 25/08/2011 16:29:21
Originally by: Tracey Emin Amazing the amount of "eve is a pvp game you play in a group" posts.
List of pvp and group stuff ---------------------------------- Null/low sec roams and idiot gatecamping
Hisec being an idiot ganking/griefing
Red vs Blue (actually make that solo)
Faction war (actually can play solo)
Incursions
List of things PVE and solo ----------------------------- Missions
Ratting
Exploring
COSMOS
Research
Mining
Production
Ninja Salvage
Trading
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It's a PVE game dammit, so give the soloer a break!
Player Versus Player does not mean combat.
It means you are competing in an environment against other players. There are few true ISK faucets in the game and CCP tightly controls them with an iron fist, but there are many player markets where ISK is exchanged in competition with your peers.
When you pop a battleship in a mission and receive a bounty, then you take that money and purchase a T2 drone to replace one that you lost, guess who you bought that drone from? Another player. Guess what, they competed against every other trader in the station you bought that drone from, in order to win your money and turn a profit. And you, competed against them by (assuming) roughly selecting the lowest cost drone for sale that you saw by skimming over the market listings.
You just competed against hundreds of other players.
Now, if you mean, which I think you do, that there are a lot of people clamoring that the only point in EVE is to destroy each others ships, well... let's think about it.
You know what mudflation is right? And the vast majority of activities you can partake in within the game environment involve ships, correct? So, if fewer and fewer of those ships are being lost, what happens to the value of those ships in the long term when demand tanks because so few people have a reason to replace those ships or buy more of them since they are not losing them? Then just follow the paper trail... through the entire game.
Now I am not saying you are wrong, I am just saying, you are taking a very limited view of the game out of context, and applying it as a generalization about the fact that there are facets of the game that obviously do not directly rely on player ship destruction insofar as you cannot participate in those activities without it (in realtime), what I am saying is, you are a pot calling the kettle black.
The people that say the only thing that matters in the game is ship destruction are right for the wrong reasons and you saying that there are activities in the game that do not directly require ship destruction is right in a limited context or with explicit tunnel vision but wrong in general.
So... yea,
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.08.25 16:26:00 -
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I really hate either-or absolute thinking
You want both... the more players the better.. one doesn't need to hurt the other.. etc
I do take some exception to you stand that commerce is "care bear" in the way you imply.
The open market is a competitive game between players. Whether or not you want to call it pvp is a matter of word choice, but lets call it more like playing poker than playing solitare.
The vibrant player economy is far more complex and active than I've seen in almost any game. (no players aret 100% of the economy) . That the economy is driven by the blowin up each other's stuff part of the game helps make that competitive economy interesting. The economy player run economy really makes the pvp sense of loss from work re-equipping work. Without the sense of loss you just have a console game and the stuff that makes individual kills worth keeping track of and able to break the will of compeitiors in the multiday campaign sense all comes down to that sense of loss.
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Dradius Calvantia
BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.08.25 16:44:00 -
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OP is the peon in an RTS clamming the game is about chopping wood and wondering why in the world anyone would come and kill him with a sword.
IOW, he fails to see the forest for the trees =P (see what I did there?)
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.08.25 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dradius Calvantia OP is the peon in an RTS clamming the game is about chopping wood and wondering why in the world anyone would come and kill him with a sword.
IOW, he fails to see the forest for the trees =P (see what I did there?)
ROFL, I like this. I miss the old Warcraft II days, those were great times in the gaming industry.
"Whatchoo want?" "I'm working!" "Quit touching me!" "Aroo?"
You can still find some of these old easter eggs redone for the modern day in World Of Warcraft, like the peons in TBC and the booterang quests. Too much fun, makes me miss the happy go lucky nature of the game since quitting again six months ago. Certainly do not miss the average player that subscribes to the game anymore though, /shudder.
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Takamori Maruyama
Amarr Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.25 16:50:00 -
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Player vs Player don't mean always one getting killed, you can get PvP in the market , fighting over prices and products :P. PvP means competition by real persons.
So EVE is a PvP game. And I have dream when EvE will have at least 200k active subscribers
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Ramalamadindong
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Posted - 2011.08.25 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tracey Emin Amazing the amount of "eve is a pvp game you play in a group" posts.
List of pvp and group stuff ---------------------------------- Null/low sec roams and idiot gatecamping can also be done solo
Hisec being an idiot ganking/griefing can also be done solo
Red vs Blue (actually make that solo)
Faction war (actually can play solo)
Incursions
List of things PVE and solo ----------------------------- Boring Missions can also be done in groups
Boring Ratting can also be done in groups
Boring Exploring can also be done in groups
Boring COSMOS can also be done in groups
Boring Research
Boring Boring Mining can also be done in groups
Boring Production
Ninja Salvage can also be done in groups
Boring Trading
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It's a PVE game dammit, so give the soloer a break!
FYP
Eve is a PvP game that you play in groups. People who choose to play solo don't deserve to be given 'a break'.
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.08.25 17:02:00 -
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if pvp meant anytime ur competing with another player u know every MMO is almost 100% pvp.. look at wow has a market ( though **** poor compared to eve) in raids u compete for the best loot actual PVP is competition he best farming spots can be taken and u can try and steal them :D guilds compete with each other in some ways factions compete in some ways
so yea, technically PVP is any time people are in competition but when people say PVP its player vs player combat. what OP fails to mention though is that everything in PVE depends on PVP to be a mineral sink.... WOW has expansions that make every previous item worthless, EVE has people mass losing ships. so a new PVP or a revamped PVP *cough* faction warefare*ahem* Eve online next expansion details |
Shepard Book
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Posted - 2011.08.25 17:18:00 -
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The Killboards say you are wrong
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VaMei
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Posted - 2011.08.25 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tracey Emin
List of things PVE and solo ----------------------------- Missions Ratting Exploring COSMOS Research Mining Production Ninja Salvage Trading
Each of those things that you call PvE becomes a PvP thing as soon as 2 people compete for the same resources or customers. Although our competition doesn't have to end up in a shooting match, buying the best tools at the best price, getting there 1st, doing it best, getting the sale, and earning the most profit is still PvP. Even hi-sec mining involves getting the choice rocks before the other guy, filling the best buy orders before someone else gets them, and once in a while thinning the competition.
You may choose not to compete in the PvP aspect of these activities, but that doesn't mean it's not there, or that you are not providing competition to someone that does see it as PvP.
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Tracey Emin
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Posted - 2011.08.25 18:51:00 -
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Yep, I was thinking one thing and posting something else with this thread.
I was thinking, I enjoy playing solo, there is a lot to do solo, but it's tough playing solo!
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Velicitia
Gallente Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.08.25 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mendolus
Originally by: Dradius Calvantia OP is the peon in an RTS clamming the game is about chopping wood and wondering why in the world anyone would come and kill him with a sword.
IOW, he fails to see the forest for the trees =P (see what I did there?)
ROFL, I like this. I miss the old Warcraft II days, those were great times in the gaming industry.
"Whatchoo want?" "I'm working!" "Quit touching me!" "Aroo?"
You can still find some of these old easter eggs redone for the modern day in World Of Warcraft, like the peons in TBC and the booterang quests. Too much fun, makes me miss the happy go lucky nature of the game since quitting again six months ago. Certainly do not miss the average player that subscribes to the game anymore though, /shudder.
Join the army, they said... See the world, they said... I'd rather be sailing... =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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Mutnin
Amarr Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.08.25 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 25/08/2011 19:44:26
Judging by the lack of people whom actually go out to PVP as a primary focus in the game, well yes I'd agree it's largely a care bear game. Joining various PVP corps/alliances on alts has only confirmed this fact.
I can't count the number of times I've seen people get recruited to various so called PVP corps/alliances and show up in low sec or null with their Navy Issue Ravens thinking it's gonna end well.
Not to mention it never fails that while an alliance might have one thousand members or a corp a few hundred it's always less than 5% of that number that are ever active in gangs or out PVPing. The rest are always too busy care bearing.
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Alexzia Sevic
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Posted - 2011.08.25 20:36:00 -
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Why do you play MMOs solo?
This game is designed to be experience with others.
Any why does every that does like to solo think that EVE, a multiplayer game, should be tailored around them?
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Ira Theos
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Posted - 2011.08.25 21:02:00 -
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You are all wrong.
This is what Eve is about now !
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.08.25 21:11:00 -
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0/10 try harder -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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