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VKhaun Vex
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Posted - 2011.09.02 06:09:00 -
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Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 02/09/2011 06:14:36 Another ******ed anti-police thread based on nothing.
WATCH YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED VIDEO
This guy is not in jail, and the prosecution has no case. The guy is going to end up winning a law suit. No system is perfect because no system is made up of perfect people. The cops did something stupid. Their friends are trying to cover. It's not going to fly. When he's in jail THEN you can make a thread throwing around ideas like constitutional or freedom of the press. Until then this is no different from any other court case.
I say the person who made this thread is a moron. He hasn't had his say back yet or a trial so I must be correct. Thats how this works right?
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VKhaun Vex
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Posted - 2011.09.03 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 03/09/2011 06:16:32
Originally by: Blacksquirrel Someone please enlighten me why this is a good thing or something to be ignored?
You're writing in a second half of what everyone says. I don't know what your problem is but it's really annoying that you spin everything like this.
No one said it was a positive thing that it happened, they were arguing against you blowing it out of proportion toward the negative.
Originally by: Blacksquirrel No the key word here is arrested...
This is called backpedalling. You started a thread with keywords about spending the better part of a cetury in jail, and you knew it was trivial and he wouldn't be. Now you're talking about being convicted and you know that THAT is trivial because he won't be it. Even says in your own ****ing vid they have no case.
You think anyone is fooled by **** like this?
Next you'll be talking about whatever the next step down is like it's the end of all freedom and they are stamping your occupation as a barcode on your ass when you're born. When you run out of things to take into hyperbole the thread will die and you'll calm down until you find another article to start over with again.
It's ridiculous sensationalism. It's not helping anyone.
There's a real discussion that could be had about what to do with the situation of an officer being wrong when arresting someone and how to balance error rate with abuse, and you are just getting in the way with this bull**** 'enlighten me about how it's a good thing' derail attempt in your own thread!
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VKhaun Vex
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Posted - 2011.09.03 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Funny how pointing out a preposterous arrest and the charges made can be considered blowing something out of proportion.
Did he not get arrested? Are the charges against him punishable by the terms detailed?
Thanks for repeating his mistake and doubling my example.
My work in this thread is done. I'm not going in circles like last time, I have a clear example of my point posted twice back to back and I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.
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VKhaun Vex
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Posted - 2011.09.04 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 04/09/2011 03:23:52
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
He could be convicted because well he did break the law...(which is video taping or recording police is a felony)
We've articulated our points just fine and I'm not interested in beating a dead horse, but this is a pretty bold snippet.
Are you using the logic, that because he was wrongfully arrested by a cop and charged with eavesdropping in a case they haven't won and aren't likely to win to send him to jail for 75 years... that this makes it 'illegal' in your mind?
Or is there an actual law you can cite that makes it illegal to videotape or record police?
You do realize if it were illegal they would not need to try and charge him with something abstract like eavesdropping, right? They would just charge him with the actual offense of breaking that law... Though of course you might mean it's illegal somewhere else...
I'd love to know where there's a law directly against this and not some other pending court case you're assuming will result in tyranny and the end of all freedom.
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VKhaun Vex
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Posted - 2011.09.04 04:08:00 -
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Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 04/09/2011 04:12:53
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia That the man can get arrested under our laws for this is what's absurd and outrageous.
The problem isn't that the arrest was illegal. It's that the arrest was legal.
1) This has nothing to do with what you quoted. Please edit out my comment asking about a specific statement made by someone else.
2) We haven't established that he can be arrested for it or not yet. It's entirely possible the police officer did something he's NOT allowed to do, not the defendant who recorded him. That's the point of the system. If he's not convicted you move on to things like wrongful arrest and suing for damages.
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Posted - 2011.09.05 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel
Originally by: VKhaun Vex Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 04/09/2011 03:23:52
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
He could be convicted because well he did break the law...(which is video taping or recording police is a felony)
We've articulated our points just fine and I'm not interested in beating a dead horse, but this is a pretty bold snippet.
Are you using the logic, that because he was wrongfully arrested by a cop and charged with eavesdropping in a case they haven't won and aren't likely to win to send him to jail for 75 years... that this makes it 'illegal' in your mind?
Or is there an actual law you can cite that makes it illegal to videotape or record police?
You do realize if it were illegal they would not need to try and charge him with something abstract like eavesdropping, right? They would just charge him with the actual offense of breaking that law... Though of course you might mean it's illegal somewhere else...
I'd love to know where there's a law directly against this and not some other pending court case you're assuming will result in tyranny and the end of all freedom.
You do know the eavesdropping law now includes videotaping/recording police without their consent...right? They haven't thought up some abstract legal plot because they couldn't get him for something else. (He hasnt done anything else.) He was arrested for videotaping police...which is ILLEGAL. It just falls under the "eavesdropping" law which they ratified a few months ago. Like they stated in the video he has 5 counts of illegally recording police without their consent...Which btw was done in a public place.
You have circumvented the entire point of your own post's video.
It is not illegal to video tape the police, and he is not charged with that.
He was wrongfully arrested by cops for video taping them, and they didn't do the right thing. Now it's a court case where they are trying to spin it as EAVESDROPPING (which is what they have charged him with rather than let him go.).
The OUTCOME OF THE CASE decides if it's legal, or illegal, and your own video says THE POLICE HAVE NO CASE.
If you want to make assumptions and take them this far that's really sad, but normal for the internet. It's mostly just strange to me that you assume the reverse of what's most likely going to happen according to your own sources.
Why do you think he'll be sent to prison for 77 years and it will become functionally illegal to video tape the police? What do you think they're going to say to a jury of other citizens that they'd make that decision?
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Posted - 2011.09.05 09:23:00 -
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Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 05/09/2011 09:24:39
Oops, double post while editing. That's what I get for posting and working at the same time...
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Posted - 2011.09.08 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
The letter of a law kills. The spirit of a law saves.
Nice. I'm going to use that.
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