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Kogh Ayon
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Posted - 2011.09.01 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 01/09/2011 22:31:09 I just get the idea that they have no way to make use of the tax system.
So how do they collect tax from members to keep their corps running? If they purchase the alloy at a low price, the members may just sell the alloy in market, and some alts will place buy orders to compete with the corp, then hault them out with a carrier or JF.
How does people in drone region solve this?
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2011.09.01 22:39:00 -
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Same way any IRL gov't does: at the point of a gun.
Pay or GTFO.
Bill is due on the X of Sept. At X+2 you get booted from corp/alliance (if they're generous). Any assets in station or POS are locked down.
He who breaks the law shall be punished back to the House of Pain. -- Sayer of the Law |
Fansi Bits
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Posted - 2011.09.01 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: KaarBaak
Same way any IRL gov't does: at the point of a gun.
grow up
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.09.01 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Fansi Bits
Originally by: KaarBaak
Same way any IRL gov't does: at the point of a gun.
grow up
he's got a point, if you dont pay your taxes, you'll end up in jail - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - EVE: TESTING GROUNDS FOR WoD & DUST SINCE 2011 |
Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.09.01 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Fansi Bits
Originally by: KaarBaak
Same way any IRL gov't does: at the point of a gun.
grow up
You're the one who seems a little naive. Try not paying your taxes and see how long it takes for the authorities to knock on your door, guns drawn.
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Kogh Ayon
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Posted - 2011.09.01 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 01/09/2011 22:51:38 Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 01/09/2011 22:51:24
Originally by: KaarBaak
Same way any IRL gov't does: at the point of a gun.
Pay or GTFO.
Bill is due on the X of Sept. At X+2 you get booted from corp/alliance (if they're generous). Any assets in station or POS are locked down.
Then how can they determine the income and charge for the tax? If they chage people al at the same rate, for example everyone must deposit 50M in the the corp wallet? It would be unfair to casual players
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kogh Ayon Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 01/09/2011 22:51:38 Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 01/09/2011 22:51:24
Originally by: KaarBaak
Same way any IRL gov't does: at the point of a gun.
Pay or GTFO.
Bill is due on the X of Sept. At X+2 you get booted from corp/alliance (if they're generous). Any assets in station or POS are locked down.
Then how can they determine the income and charge for the tax? If they chage people al at the same rate, for example everyone must deposit 50M in the the corp wallet? It would be unfair to casual players
Then casual players can find a new alliance.
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Fansi Bits
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
You're the one who seems a little naive. Try not paying your taxes and see how long it takes for the authorities to knock on your door, guns drawn.
a very very long time you bloody ****ing jackass. yes you can go to jail for tax evasion, but you can also go to jail for fraud. guess what.. they're both essentially the same crime.
paying your ****ing taxes is part of being in society - those taxes pay for the maintenance of society. the roads that you drive to work on, that bring your food from other parts of the country (or world), for the police that keep me from kneecapping you and taking your **** because you're a ****ing ******. your taxes pay for the people who's job it is to make sure that companies aren't feeding us food covered in bacteria, or using carcinogens to wash you fruit, etc. those same tax dollars that paid for the research that created the internet, so you could be told to read Ayn Rand by your "rugged individualist" "libertarian" friends
if you want to trot out the "Taxes are robbery" schtick you can cram it directly up your ass until such a time as you find the most remote part of the canadian wilderness (there is no wilderness remote enough in the US for this) and go live off of the ****ing land.
difficulty: you cannot take anything with you that benefited from tax dollars, since taxes are robbery. make means your ass is going in naked without so much as a knife.
snap to it, you hypocritical little ****. stop taking advantage of the benefits of civilization if you don't want to help maintain it.
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Denidil
Gallente Rape Pillage and Burn
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Denidil on 01/09/2011 23:16:15 I pay more taxes each year than the bottom 20% of americans (individual) make. so.. yeah.. go cry somewhere else.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:17:00 -
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wow Fansi Bits sure is angry
he must work at IRS
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Fansi Bits
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron wow Fansi Bits sure is angry
he must work at IRS
no, i'm just tired of jackasses.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Fansi Bits
Originally by: Bane Necran
You're the one who seems a little naive. Try not paying your taxes and see how long it takes for the authorities to knock on your door, guns drawn.
a very very long time you bloody ****ing jackass. yes you can go to jail for tax evasion, but you can also go to jail for fraud. guess what.. they're both essentially the same crime.
paying your ****ing taxes is part of being in society - those taxes pay for the maintenance of society. the roads that you drive to work on, that bring your food from other parts of the country (or world), for the police that keep me from kneecapping you and taking your **** because you're a ****ing ******. your taxes pay for the people who's job it is to make sure that companies aren't feeding us food covered in bacteria, or using carcinogens to wash you fruit, etc. those same tax dollars that paid for the research that created the internet, so you could be told to read Ayn Rand by your "rugged individualist" "libertarian" friends
if you want to trot out the "Taxes are robbery" schtick you can cram it directly up your ass until such a time as you find the most remote part of the canadian wilderness (there is no wilderness remote enough in the US for this) and go live off of the ****ing land.
difficulty: you cannot take anything with you that benefited from tax dollars, since taxes are robbery. make means your ass is going in naked without so much as a knife.
snap to it, you hypocritical little ****. stop taking advantage of the benefits of civilization if you don't want to help maintain it.
Calm down there, Beavis. Nobody mentioned the use of tax money...simply asked how they are collected. People pay taxes under threat of police action against them.
NOBODY pays taxes voluntarily.
Whatever fraud, waste and abuse goes on with the money after it's collected is for someone else to sort out. But if you genuinely believe that 100% of it goes to "help" the members of the community, then you certainly are living a bit of a naive existence.
He who breaks the law shall be punished back to the House of Pain. -- Sayer of the Law |
Fansi Bits
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Fansi Bits on 01/09/2011 23:21:18
Originally by: KaarBaak
Originally by: Fansi Bits
Originally by: Bane Necran
You're the one who seems a little naive. Try not paying your taxes and see how long it takes for the authorities to knock on your door, guns drawn.
a very very long time you bloody ****ing jackass. yes you can go to jail for tax evasion, but you can also go to jail for fraud. guess what.. they're both essentially the same crime.
paying your ****ing taxes is part of being in society - those taxes pay for the maintenance of society. the roads that you drive to work on, that bring your food from other parts of the country (or world), for the police that keep me from kneecapping you and taking your **** because you're a ****ing ******. your taxes pay for the people who's job it is to make sure that companies aren't feeding us food covered in bacteria, or using carcinogens to wash you fruit, etc. those same tax dollars that paid for the research that created the internet, so you could be told to read Ayn Rand by your "rugged individualist" "libertarian" friends
if you want to trot out the "Taxes are robbery" schtick you can cram it directly up your ass until such a time as you find the most remote part of the canadian wilderness (there is no wilderness remote enough in the US for this) and go live off of the ****ing land.
difficulty: you cannot take anything with you that benefited from tax dollars, since taxes are robbery. make means your ass is going in naked without so much as a knife.
snap to it, you hypocritical little ****. stop taking advantage of the benefits of civilization if you don't want to help maintain it.
Calm down there, Beavis. Nobody mentioned the use of tax money...simply asked how they are collected. People pay taxes under threat of police action against them.
NOBODY pays taxes voluntarily.
Whatever fraud, waste and abuse goes on with the money after it's collected is for someone else to sort out. But if you genuinely believe that 100% of it goes to "help" the members of the community, then you certainly are living a bit of a naive existence.
no i don't believe it is all used effectively. but that doesn't make the "Taxes are theft" schtick any less idiotic. Taxes are your contribution to the maintenance of society, society which you are benefiting from by being part of it. There is an easy way of legally not being responsible for them. get the **** out of society. i already told you how.
PS: i think most people who get convicted of tax evasion just have to pay their taxes, and a penalty. most don't go to jail.
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Ludmilla Derik
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:21:00 -
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Easy done with refining Tax at the Station
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Mallak Azaria
Three 6 MaFiA KRYSIS.
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fansi Bits
Originally by: Ephemeron wow Fansi Bits sure is angry
he must work at IRS
no, i'm just tired of jackasses.
Hemad.
================================================== I love and hate 0.0 these days and feel CCP is taking a big **** on my chest every time i see super carriers. ~Tipsy McStagger |
KaarBaak
Minmatar Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: KaarBaak on 01/09/2011 23:30:48
Originally by: Fansi Bits
no i don't believe it is all used effectively. but that doesn't make the "Taxes are theft" schtick any less idiotic. Taxes are your contribution to the maintenance of society, society which you are benefiting from by being part of it. There is an easy way of legally not being responsible for them. get the **** out of society. i already told you how.
PS: i think most people who get convicted of tax evasion just have to pay their taxes, and a penalty. most don't go to jail.
(1) Never said it was "theft." Simply stating the fact that the government will send men with guns to your house to seize your property and take you to jail to await trial if you do not pay taxes. And was answering the OPs question about how corps in the drone regions collect taxes in the same way.
(2) You would think incorrectly. If you do not/cannot pay the taxes and penalties...you go to jail.
(3) I appreciate your agreeing with me on the "pay or GTFO" aspect of it, though.
He who breaks the law shall be punished back to the House of Pain. -- Sayer of the Law |
Denidil
Gallente Rape Pillage and Burn
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ludmilla Derik Easy done with refining Tax at the Station
good point.
thread.. back on track
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron wow Fansi Bits sure is angry
he must work at IRS
He's probably a parasite living off the government teet.
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Fansi Bits
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Ephemeron wow Fansi Bits sure is angry
he must work at IRS
He's probably a parasite living off the government teet.
couldn't be more wrong. my household - (wife and I) fall into the top 16% of incomes according to the table on wikipedia
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 01/09/2011 23:49:02
Originally by: Fansi Bits
Originally by: KaarBaak
Same way any IRL gov't does: at the point of a gun.
grow up
lol thats how they do it in Red Alliance, a alliance by us "forgot" to pay their sov an in came the bulldozers to the tune of 50 systems
Originally by: Kogh Ayon
Then how can they determine the income and charge for the tax? If they chage people al at the same rate, for example everyone must deposit 50M in the the corp wallet? It would be unfair to casual players
lol? Nice troll
Then again, you can make 50m in an hour in 0.0 plus "casual" and 0.0 dont tend to go together
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Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Chopper Rollins on 01/09/2011 23:51:55 HA HA OH WOW
I met a lawyer who owed two million dollars in taxes. That's personally, not his business. He doesn't mean to ever pay them. He quoted an ancient Greek philosopher who said that when a man thinks that his contribution to society is limited to his purse, that society is on the way down and out. And anyone who blurts: 'I pay more in taxes than poorer people earn..' Well dUh. You're a PEASANT who doesn't understand that the really rich avoid paying in tax in one year more than you will earn in ten years. You rediculous, idiotic little wart. Console yourself with being mean to OTHER poor people.
Edit: sorry about off topic blast, but the '1+1= Derp' stuff is reaching critical levels on the boards lately.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 01/09/2011 23:52:44
Originally by: Fansi Bits for the police that keep me from kneecapping you and taking your **** because you're a ****ing ******.
internet badass ftl. If you got within arm's reach youd likely **** yourself lol PLEASE dont demean yourself further by trying to prove how hard you are lol
btw why is it herder for ppl in the drone regions than other ppl?
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Denidil
Gallente Rape Pillage and Burn
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 01/09/2011 23:49:02
Originally by: Fansi Bits
Originally by: KaarBaak
Same way any IRL gov't does: at the point of a gun.
grow up
lol thats how they do it in Red Alliance, a alliance by us "forgot" to pay their sov an in came the bulldozers to the tune of 50 systems
and eve is not real life i think is the person's point
Originally by: Chopper Rollins Edited by: Chopper Rollins on 01/09/2011 23:51:55 HA HA OH WOW
I met a lawyer who owed two million dollars in taxes. That's personally, not his business. He doesn't mean to ever pay them. He quoted an ancient Greek philosopher who said that when a man thinks that his contribution to society is limited to his purse, that society is on the way down and out. And anyone who blurts: 'I pay more in taxes than poorer people earn..' Well dUh. You're a PEASANT who doesn't understand that the really rich avoid paying in tax in one year more than you will earn in ten years. You rediculous, idiotic little wart. Console yourself with being mean to OTHER poor people.
Edit: sorry about off topic blast, but the '1+1= Derp' stuff is reaching critical levels on the boards lately.
don't assume you know what I'm thinking. i think it is ridiculous how little most americans make, and how much tax evasion the 1%ers get away with.
those with the most stand to loose the most when a society collapses.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: KaarBaak
NOBODY pays taxes voluntarily.
Well, it tuns out the smart people who govern society thought of that already. That's why there's a law to enforce it. Thanks for the suggestion, but we've already got that angle covered.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.09.02 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 02/09/2011 00:12:09
Originally by: Fansi Bits
Originally by: Bane Necran
You're the one who seems a little naive. Try not paying your taxes and see how long it takes for the authorities to knock on your door, guns drawn.
a very very long time you bloody ****ing jackass. yes you can go to jail for tax evasion, but you can also go to jail for fraud. guess what.. they're both essentially the same crime.
paying your ****ing taxes is part of being in society - those taxes pay for the maintenance of society. the roads that you drive to work on, that bring your food from other parts of the country (or world), for the police that keep me from kneecapping you and taking your **** because you're a ****ing ******. your taxes pay for the people who's job it is to make sure that companies aren't feeding us food covered in bacteria, or using carcinogens to wash you fruit, etc. those same tax dollars that paid for the research that created the internet, so you could be told to read Ayn Rand by your "rugged individualist" "libertarian" friends
if you want to trot out the "Taxes are robbery" schtick you can cram it directly up your ass until such a time as you find the most remote part of the canadian wilderness (there is no wilderness remote enough in the US for this) and go live off of the ****ing land.
difficulty: you cannot take anything with you that benefited from tax dollars, since taxes are robbery. make means your ass is going in naked without so much as a knife.
snap to it, you hypocritical little ****. stop taking advantage of the benefits of civilization if you don't want to help maintain it.
I can have so much fun with your statist bullshiat it would epicly hijack this thread.
So for now, I will just leave you to and think of you while the rest of the world revolts against your ideals and does what it wants anyway. I'll imagine you slamming your fists on your keyboard as your blacked little soul watches the rest of the world witn their freedom back.
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De'andra
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Posted - 2011.09.02 00:23:00 -
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It's a little bit different depending on where you live.
Some corps deal with 'corp dues' on a monthly basis for their tax revenue. I will tell you though, I paid less in 'dues' than I actually payed in taxes living in bounty space. Other's collect their taxes through revenue made from refining alloys at corp/alliance owned stations. These models deal with taxes for corp members though, not renter corps/alliances. I've never been in one of those so I honestly couldn't say.
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.09.02 00:25:00 -
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but whys drone regions dfferent from the rest of 0.0?
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.09.02 00:29:00 -
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There are no russians in game, its just one huge elaborate bot run by one person..
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Fansi Bits
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Posted - 2011.09.02 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I can have so much fun with your statist bullshiat it would epicly hijack this thread.
So for now, I will just leave you to and think of you while the rest of the world revolts against your ideals and does what it wants anyway. I'll imagine you slamming your fists on your keyboard as your blacked little soul watches the rest of the world witn their freedom back.
that's funny, you think randite anti-society ****tards like you are something other than a vanishingly small group of sociopaths.
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Puppet Mas'ter
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Posted - 2011.09.02 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Fansi Bits
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I can have so much fun with your statist bullshiat it would epicly hijack this thread.
So for now, I will just leave you to and think of you while the rest of the world revolts against your ideals and does what it wants anyway. I'll imagine you slamming your fists on your keyboard as your blacked little soul watches the rest of the world witn their freedom back.
that's funny, you think randite anti-society ****tards like you are something other than a vanishingly small group of sociopaths.
you all seem kinda large to me O.o
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