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Tekota
The Freighter Factory
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:35:00 -
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Palm - face interaction...
Ok, being nice, and assuming naivety is at play rather than scam. An assumption being stretched to the limit it has to be said.
Who are you, seriously? You have to give something here as this is the first ever post you've made with this char. You have not a single public contract accepted or offered. And I can't find a single entry on kill boards. So with absolutely *no* prior info you are really going to struggle to find people willing to hand over 3 billion isk.
You're not willing to divulge your "hauler alt", what are you willing to divulge? Are you willing to divulge your skills via (eg) Eveboard that we can see you have skills in manufacturing and trading that you claim? Are you willing to divulge via the customisable API your wallet history such that we can see you have been trading and manufacturing as you claim?
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Tekota
The Freighter Factory
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Hagen Would people be suprised if i picked this up?
Just curious
I'd suspect you know something I do not (which is eminently possible). If you do not, and if you were to fill this as described by the OP without any further info then yes, quelle suprise. Your money though :o)
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Tekota
The Freighter Factory
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Posted - 2011.09.07 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Intakani Genntelle Edited by: Intakani Genntelle on 07/09/2011 17:30:19
^lol go back to 4chan... No one has actually criticized my business plan. They said they didn't trust me.
I've got 1B of the 3B needed now.
See I'm going to miss this on the new forums. The oops wrong character accidentally exposed one of the alts post. Especially ironic when one previously claims that they won't reveal them because to do so would risk the investment - so presumably this means by your own definition to invest would be more risky now?
And you didn't actually say what your business plan was. Though now you've exposed an alt with at least some contract history we can guess that it might be manufacturing Noctis'. From blueprint copies.
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Tekota
The Freighter Factory
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Posted - 2011.09.07 19:17:00 -
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I'm feeling a little bit guilty that on the off-chance (long odds they may be) that you're not a scammer you might be feeling a tad confused and sore.
So I'll try to make this post constructive such that some good might come of this.
The reason people, myself included, are very dismissive of this offering is not necessarily that people think you are a scammer (though they may, and you may be) but that it's impossible to distinguish between your offering and that of a scammer. When you refuse to offer any information that could begin to distinguish yourself from a scammer, when such information is easy and safe to divulge, it further reinforces the opinion that an investment is not safe.
Example: A scammer will not want to divulge any of their alts because (a) they might have links to scams from the past, and (b) to do so would rule "clean" alts out from commiting another scam in the future. So to avoid giving this information out they say "to do so would risk your investment" - just as you did. In reality there are very few occasions where this is the case, there are some for sure, but you have to show a good reason why at the very least. You've already accidentally outed one of your alts - has this brought terror to your operation? I very much doubt it.
Example 2: A scammer will not want to reveal their wallet history via an API check so an auditor or basic fact checker or even prospective investor can see proof that they have been trading / manufacturing as they claim because to do so would either (a) reveal them to be lying or (b) require considerable work in setting up a "false" history of trading and manufacturing to show prospective investors. You have not offered such a check and have walked right by and ignored any questions to do so.
Example 3: A scammer will not want to reveal their skill sheet via an API check or EveBoard.com or whatever so an investor can see that they do indeed have the necessary skills in trading / manufacturing they claim as to do so would require setting time out to train those skills in advance of a scam attempt. Again, you have not offered this easily presentable proof and have ignored questions as to your willingness to do so.
As a result, whether you're a scammer or not, we have nothing to differentiate you from one. It would be so easy to at least make some headway here and begin to show signs that you are at least who you say you are, that you have the skills to do what you say you're doing, and that you have been doing what you say you've been doing.
The second reason I personally wouldn't want to see this offering fill as it stands is that, even if you are genuine and pay back your investors, it shows to scammers out there that no effort is needed to get hold of THREE BILLION isk. All they need do is roll a clean alt, copy/paste, collect 3 billion. If that becomes viable then the boards would be awash with such offerings (and many will say, with some justification, that they already are).
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Tekota
The Freighter Factory
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Posted - 2011.09.07 19:27:00 -
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Meh oh well, there's me trying to be all constructive and helpful and while I'm typing all that up you reply with that rubbish.
Sod it then...
SCAM
(i'm going to miss that on the new forums too)
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