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Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.10.25 22:27:00 -
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A lot of the frigates can outrun warriors even with the MWD bonus.
They could not hit or track fast moving frigates, while missiles and turret could have hit them.
I'm going to have to say this clearly: You have a lot of work to be done, if you want people to even bothering flying these. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
552
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Posted - 2012.10.25 22:52:00 -
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There are lots of good uses for these ships simply for the fact that they aren't easily roflstomped by td frigates.
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Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.10.25 23:21:00 -
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1st off, crap. I just realised that Jonny Bloomington has the same forehead spikes I do. Time to change.
2nd and ON topic, I think these destroyers are being looked at all wrong. I'm thinking that in a straight up head to head bash, these suck balls. However, when used in areas of PvP where range is already known, (FW plexes and the like), these destroyers will wreck stuff in conjunction with other ships. Hell, the Amarr ship is one HELL of a fore multiplier.
Like XG says, TDs have little to no effect on these destroyers. I've been stomped by T1 frigs with TDs in my coercer before, but I know for a fact that will NEVER happen for 3 out of 4 of these new destroyers. The one it does effect can field a flight of medium drones!
TL:DR Think sideways with these new destroyers. -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. |
Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel Gank for Profit
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Posted - 2012.10.25 23:40:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote: With cap recharge rigs it can permarun two neuts and still get 9k EHP from meta 200mm plate, T2 DCU, T2 ANP*2.
Switch to an AB and it's better in that situation, but, eh, Amarr Problems (tm).
yes it can but 2 neuts are not enugh to stop a neutron mwd enyo from shooting or pulling away using its web and scram ab fit its so slow it could even be kited by an enyo in scram range
Kuehnelt wrote: One of two outcomes:
1. The Coercer is obsolete, and this ship is boring.
2. This ship is instantly obsolete, and this ship is boring.
I, for one, welcome our coming NotMalice overlords.
1. the coercer has much more range it can run its guns of cap and has more fitting space etc
2.why? I do very much think that there is a place for a more tanky destroyer tho giving it a resist bonus is probably the better idea Quote CCP Fozzie: ... The days of balance and forget are over.
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Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.10.26 00:06:00 -
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Crazy KSK wrote: 1. the coercer has much more range it can run its guns of cap and has more fitting space etc
2.why? I do very much think that there is a place for a more tanky destroyer tho giving it a resist bonus is probably the better idea
A tanky destroyer would more or less be a slower AF I think. |
Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.10.26 00:46:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:Crazy KSK wrote: 1. the coercer has much more range it can run its guns of cap and has more fitting space etc
2.why? I do very much think that there is a place for a more tanky destroyer tho giving it a resist bonus is probably the better idea
A tanky destroyer would more or less be a slower AF I think.
These new destroyers are slower, slightly only slighty "tanky", bigger sig radius, worse fitting issues, heck an attack cruiser speeds right past these destroyers. |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
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Posted - 2012.10.26 01:55:00 -
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Amarr destroyer:
Drones get a bonus MWD speed to close, but don't they turn off MWD when they are in range of the target? Also, they still will have tracking issues. Neut going out to 12ish K range on a ship that can not go NEARLY as fast as a frigate. How exactly is it going to be able to get close enough to use those neuts? And No weapon bonus on turrets.
How is this ship working on Test? It does not seem like it will do very well at all. ;(
Caldari and Minnie boats I think are great, the Gallente boat I think is interesting (gets a bonus and can use a few medium drones) but holding judgement.
~Z |
Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
666
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Posted - 2012.10.26 02:39:00 -
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I'll be trying them out this weekend. Some things I'll be curious about:
Gallente Destroyer - will it work? There are drone boats out there but I can't think of any small versions that do 300 DPS and then have drones on top of that.
Minmatar Destroyer - Is that MWD penalty reduction a novelty or not? This ship is twice the size of interceptors and a third as fast. I'm dubious to say the least.
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Aglais
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.10.26 02:45:00 -
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Johnny Bloomington wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp Am I the only one that see those Amarr concept drawings and think they really dropped the ball? "We didn't use these concepts because they look like frigs" said CCP whatever... They looked miles better than what we see today. I don't even want to see the Minimatar concept drawings. It probably **** me off more.
This. ALL of the Amarr destroyer concepts were like... "Yes, even if this ship's stats are utter balls I will fly this thing, SO MUCH."
And then we get Coercer Mk II. Kind of a letdown. :c |
androch
River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.26 05:06:00 -
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i think you guys should shove the guy who keeps making the caldari ships built so goddamned unevenly into the nearest torpedo tube and space them i dont understand why you guys are so ******* afraid of a symetrical ship but jesus-h-christ that ship looks ******* ugly |
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Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2012.10.26 05:55:00 -
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In terms of aesthetics, I was really hoping the Amarr destroyer would have a more visible drone bay. Something that just screams "drone boat". Instead it looks like a Coercer retrofitted for cargo hauling. I don't get it... |
Opertone
Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2012.10.26 06:16:00 -
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more EHP, more EHP!
make them like BC stand to cruisers!
7000 shield, 2000 armor, 3000 structures please. These ships must not be glass cannons and instapop in fleet. My FC doesn't like stuff that goes boom in first 30 seconds. |
Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.10.26 10:26:00 -
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Opertone wrote:more EHP, more EHP!
make them like BC stand to cruisers!
7000 shield, 2000 armor, 3000 structures please. These ships must not be glass cannons and instapop in fleet. My FC doesn't like stuff that goes boom in first 30 seconds. Ah, you really meant like BattleCruiser in fact, not even like cruisers... |
Manes Avatarr
Adventurers
1
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Posted - 2012.10.26 10:35:00 -
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Opertone wrote:My FC doesn't like stuff that goes boom in first 30 seconds. Then fly fleetBC instead of destroyer... simple.
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Johnny Bloomington
Justified Chaos
29
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:28:00 -
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Caldari sub looks like a missle boat. Great job CCP!
Gallente drone boat looks like a drone carrier with nice detail of the bays. It's got balls? Great job CCP!
Amarr drone boat looks like a coercer swallowed the new purifier. Like Shiroh said, need more visible drone bay.
Minimatar uh yeah its fast but looks like a 10 ton WTF. A barge with some solar panels. This looks like the art department not talking to CCP Fozzie about form matching function.
Sorry art department dude but if this is what we're going to get then just let us design the ships! Look at the tier 3 BCs ;) |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Random Rule Conform Corpname A Point In Space
60
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:02:00 -
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Manes Avatarr wrote:Quote:(Caldari)... that ship looks ******* ugly Opposite. Caldari's dessie look stylish in their way and very powerfull (cold steel). Im more afraid of plans to revamp Tempest hull. If CCP make it just plain SYMMETRICAL.. it will be ruin. Modern ruin. Ripped from matari soul.
maybe you should have a closer look at the new tempest. it is far from symmetrical, (btw, a lot of minmatar hulls are symmetrical..) don't let the upper engine exhausts decieve you ;) this model is a true tempest 2.0
and for the new minmatar dessi; the model to be seen last weekend on duality (and this weekend probably too) was a major update to the one on youtube. a huge load of detail was added. looks awesome. people who think otherwise have no taste for steampunkspaceshipgoodiness :P |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
558
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:25:00 -
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Zyella Stormborn wrote: Neut going out to 12ish K range on a ship that can not go NEARLY as fast as a frigate. How exactly is it going to be able to get close enough to use those neuts? ~Z
How is the frigate going to get close enough to web him??!! |
Johnny Bloomington
Justified Chaos
29
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:38:00 -
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Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:Manes Avatarr wrote:Quote:(Caldari)... that ship looks ******* ugly Opposite. Caldari's dessie look stylish in their way and very powerfull (cold steel). Im more afraid of plans to revamp Tempest hull. If CCP make it just plain SYMMETRICAL.. it will be ruin. Modern ruin. Ripped from matari soul. maybe you should have a closer look at the new tempest. it is far from symmetrical, (btw, a lot of minmatar hulls are symmetrical..) don't let the upper engine exhausts decieve you ;) this model is a true tempest 2.0 and for the new minmatar dessi; the model to be seen last weekend on duality (and this weekend probably too) was a major update to the one on youtube. a huge load of detail was added. looks awesome. people who think otherwise have no taste for steampunkspaceshipgoodiness :P
I like the new tempest. Old ships need a refit kind of like the first Enterprise in Star Trek got a refit for the movies.
Has the minne dessie changed that much? You just talking about better textures? Pic? |
Johnny Bloomington
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:40:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Zyella Stormborn wrote: Neut going out to 12ish K range on a ship that can not go NEARLY as fast as a frigate. How exactly is it going to be able to get close enough to use those neuts? ~Z
How is the frigate going to get close enough to web him??!!
tech 2 web is 13km right? or is that with it overheated? |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
558
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:44:00 -
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err, scram him! Yeah, I meant scram him.
The amarr dessie will carry a full rack of ec-300s. That, along with the neuts will be enough for him to bail on any frigate if things don't go as planned. |
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Draunin
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:50:00 -
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So did you guys get in a time crunch on the minny design and say oh well crap lets just give them a refrigerator box with lots of guns/missiles. Cant you go with similar minny themes and at least give us a cool vertical design this one sucks bad. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2669
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Posted - 2012.10.26 21:58:00 -
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The Minmatar destroyer is a lightly armored box with big engines, lots of weapons points, traditional panels, and not a damn thing more.
I have no issues with this. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.10.26 23:14:00 -
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Minne boat looks like a minne boat. Rusty old crap held together by duct tape with solar panels for a power source. -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.27 01:05:00 -
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Shiroh Yatamii wrote:In terms of aesthetics, I was really hoping the Amarr destroyer would have a more visible drone bay. Something that just screams "drone boat". Instead it looks like a Coercer retrofitted for cargo hauling. I don't get it... If it looks like a cargo hauler it must have a visible extra bay. In what way would a drone bay differ in appearance from a cargo bay? |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
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Posted - 2012.10.27 02:45:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:err, scram him! Yeah, I meant scram him.
The amarr dessie will carry a full rack of ec-300s. That, along with the neuts will be enough for him to bail on any frigate if things don't go as planned.
Why scram him. The frigate is faster than the dessie can ever hope to be. He can play with point, and just outrun him. He can shoot down drones at leisure, and the Neuts will rarely come into play. I may be wrong, since I can't get onto my comp to try them out, but I am predicting the Amarr new dessie will not do well at all. In particular compared to the other 3 dessies. |
Aglais
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.10.27 03:49:00 -
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Manes Avatarr wrote: Im more afraid of plans to revamp Tempest hull. If CCP make it just plain SYMMETRICAL.. it will be ruin. Modern ruin. Ripped from matari soul.
You're in luck. It's still vertical. It's still asymmetrical. And it and the Vargur are easily by far the coolest looking battleships in the entire game now. It's like the old model, but the builders had time and effort to plan out it's structure. It's still a Tempest. Now it is a solid, beefy looking Tempest with a whole new much cooler looking bridge (and the Vargur has a unique model as well, with the most amazing solar panels. Check it out when you have a chance.)
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Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2012.10.27 07:24:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote: If it looks like a cargo hauler it must have a visible extra bay. In what way would a drone bay differ in appearance from a cargo bay?
The drone bay would open out into space in order to deploy/recall drones. Conceivably speaking, a cargo bay would simply need a much smaller hole for cargo to be loaded in over time (since you're docked and you have time anyway). |
Nexomni
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.10.27 09:54:00 -
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I am in love with the new Caldari Destroyer!
\o/ |
Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
667
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:29:00 -
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The level of detail on the destroyers is really quite good on the test server. I didn't like the aesthetics of the Gallente Dessie as we've approached this point but after seeing the final product - wow.
I didn't see a stickied thread in the test server forum so - the Gallente destroyer has six turret slots on Duality. Is that a stealth buff? |
ConranAntoni
Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
16
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Posted - 2012.10.27 14:02:00 -
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After doing some testing, theres a couple small nicks that could use some fixing;
Caldari Destroyer - Very very tight on PG, fitting full rack of light missiles and an MWD is horrible. As an example of how poor it's PG is, it has the same amount as the redone Kestrel.
Minnie Destroyer - Interesting lil boat, capable of both armour and shield tanking. Considering this and the Caldari one are meant to be ranged platforms however it outshines the Caldari one in most instances which is kind of daft.
Amarr Destroyer - Hilarious fun, literally spot on, capable of doing exactly what it's designed for.
Gallente Destoyer - A flying fist of doom with a stylish look to it. Very impressive little ship to be perfectly honest.
Just a quick thing there of what I saw, no doubt it'll get bogged down by terrible posts but hope someone from CCP sees this. |
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