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Oso Curioso
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:30:00 -
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While scoping out spots for mining recently, I have noticed two things. One, you're ****** if you don't live in the EU. They'll cherry pick all the good stuff while you're still drinking your morning coffee at work in South/North America. Two, if you wanted to do something about it, that is, follow the EVE mantra of limited resources = conflict driver, you can't because the war dec mechanics make that impossible.
Is there or has there ever been any possibility that respawn rates for roids might change? Not necessarily that all of the roids in a belt would respawn, but that individual roids would respawn on some sort of random schedule.
Is there any way to compete for the roids other than time zone hopping to mine before they do? Is there any way other than suicide ganking to get at someone who leaves the corp you dec?
There are some mining groups out there that are stripping entire constellations. It doesn't seem EVE-like that I can't get at them. I'm more than willing to hop in a ship for some pvp or to hire mercs, but neither seems realistic. Am I missing something? |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2357
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:37:00 -
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Go out to nullsec "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
Oso Curioso
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:38:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Go out to nullsec that has nothing to do with my questions |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4373
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:46:00 -
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Filing this under "evidence of imbalance caused by recent changes to mining barges". "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1092
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:47:00 -
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IF anything was ever to change for mining, it would have been perhaps part of Ring mining. Yet that's been put back for a POS overhaul first. So many next winter... or longer. Since mining as a mechanic haven't been touched much since its creation. You wait or get a new job. They have been stating in the past two years or so, they are not much for bandaging mechanics and waiting tell there is ample work load on the project. As I peek over FW... I wouldn't get my hopes up on ring mining either. |
Euphoriiia
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:49:00 -
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Don't mine. Do something more profitable and just pay those same miners to do the work for you... |
Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1429
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:54:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Filing this under "evidence of imbalance caused by recent changes to mining barges".
Not really evidence, people were stripping entire constellations of all the good stuff way before CCP buffed the mining barges. I have a character with a procuror that mines outside of the EU TZ (primarily because I'm an insomniac) and don't have any real problems pulling in all the the +5 and +10% ores even at silly'o'clock GMT, sometimes I mine for so long I look at a dirty great hole in a belt and think "I did that" and then go back to the station to roll around in my pile of minerals whilst giggling like a little girl.
Find a 0.6 or 0.5 or a lowsec system with very low average population and you'll find fat belts ripe for the plucking no matter what time of day it is, unless I've got there 1st in which case :razz:.
EVEO Forums, the home of witty banter.
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Selinate
1015
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:56:00 -
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Quit bitching about the lack of resources in high sec and explore something else. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
931
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:01:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Go out to nullsec That seems to be the answer for everything nowadays, doesn't it? But it's really to be expected from someone who can't even attribute their own forum signature to a proper author.
OP: if it's a timezone thing, then you'll have to hire someone else to either go to war with them (despite Inferno, this is still viable to the last tiny shred of extent), or maybe bump-grief them out of the systems you like. This option has the positive side effects of creating more pvp opportunities in empire, and supporting the mercenary industry. You can also consider moving to more out-of-the-way areas, which are seldom populated. You'll need a freighter to move the minerals, probably.
Or you can just take the corpse's advice and pack all your crap into a hauler and take a trip to null, so the sheeple derpers who are too chicken-**** to die in groups of less than a hundred have something to hot-drop. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
2838
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:01:00 -
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Clearly highsec mining needs a buff.
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Tinja Soikutsu
Orbital Horizons University GALACTIC UNI0N
35
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:02:00 -
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Ohh noez the system I want to mine is getting strip mined and I can't be bothered finding low population systems! What ever can I doooo? |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
64
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:04:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Quit bitching about the lack of resources in high sec and explore something else. ^^this
Jonah is right too, find a nice quiet corner of low-sec and go mine till your eyes bleed, better ores too
Your only excuse for not doing so is that you want to AFK.
You could also join a null-sec alliance/corp and keep their industry index up for them. I agree with the following assessment of the Mining Barge Buff and as a reformed "Greed-fit", High-sec AFK miner, I think that is saying something. -áMining Barge buff: CCP has acknowledged that miners in general are too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
320
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:06:00 -
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~ Start training your skills for probing and use them to scan down Grav Sites
~ Go to Amarr Medium Sec by Gallente Space where all the Kernite is
~ Get in a Wormhole Corp and mine their Roids
~ Go to Nullsec, join an Alliance and mine their Roids
~ Find quiet space and mine Roids
~ Get in a Lowsec Pirate gang and mine Roids while they Gatecamp
Maybe I was actually sleeping in front of my computer and dreamed I posted. Certainly, it's not there now. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2358
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:10:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Go out to nullsec That seems to be the answer for everything nowadays, doesn't it? But it's really to be expected from someone who can't even attribute their own forum signature to a proper author. OP: if it's a timezone thing, then you'll have to hire someone else to either go to war with them (despite Inferno, this is still viable to the last tiny shred of extent), or maybe bump-grief them out of the systems you like. This option has the positive side effects of creating more pvp opportunities in empire, and supporting the mercenary industry. You can also consider moving to more out-of-the-way areas, which are seldom populated. You'll need a freighter to move the minerals, probably. Or you can just take the corpse's advice and pack all your crap into a hauler and take a trip to null, so the sheeple derpers who are too chicken-**** to die in groups of less than a hundred have something to hot-drop.
It's to be expected from someone new here with less than 1000 likes will try to hurt my feelings in GD "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1432
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:10:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:~ Start training your skills for probing and use them to scan down Grav Sites
~ Go to Amarr Medium Sec by Gallente Space where all the Kernite is It's all mine
~ Get in a Wormhole Corp and mine their Roids Find a wormhole and then steal all their roids when they're asleep
~ Go to Nullsec, join an Alliance and mine their Roids
~ Find quiet space and mine Roids This is mine to
~ Get in a Lowsec Pirate gang and mine Roids while they Gatecamp
Don't give them ideas, besides at the moment Scordite > Kernite EVEO Forums, the home of witty banter.
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Josef Djugashvilis
614
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:12:00 -
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Oso Curioso wrote:While scoping out spots for mining recently, I have noticed two things. One, you're ****** if you don't live in the EU. They'll cherry pick all the good stuff while you're still drinking your morning coffee at work in South/North America. Two, if you wanted to do something about it, that is, follow the EVE mantra of limited resources = conflict driver, you can't because the war dec mechanics make that impossible.
Is there or has there ever been any possibility that respawn rates for roids might change? Not necessarily that all of the roids in a belt would respawn, but that individual roids would respawn on some sort of random schedule.
Is there any way to compete for the roids other than time zone hopping to mine before they do? Is there any way other than suicide ganking to get at someone who leaves the corp you dec?
There are some mining groups out there that are stripping entire constellations. It doesn't seem EVE-like that I can't get at them. I'm more than willing to hop in a ship for some pvp or to hire mercs, but neither seems realistic. Am I missing something?
Adapt or die - move to Europe. I took the wrong turn years ago. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2358
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:15:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Oso Curioso wrote:While scoping out spots for mining recently, I have noticed two things. One, you're ****** if you don't live in the EU. They'll cherry pick all the good stuff while you're still drinking your morning coffee at work in South/North America. Two, if you wanted to do something about it, that is, follow the EVE mantra of limited resources = conflict driver, you can't because the war dec mechanics make that impossible.
Is there or has there ever been any possibility that respawn rates for roids might change? Not necessarily that all of the roids in a belt would respawn, but that individual roids would respawn on some sort of random schedule.
Is there any way to compete for the roids other than time zone hopping to mine before they do? Is there any way other than suicide ganking to get at someone who leaves the corp you dec?
There are some mining groups out there that are stripping entire constellations. It doesn't seem EVE-like that I can't get at them. I'm more than willing to hop in a ship for some pvp or to hire mercs, but neither seems realistic. Am I missing something? Adapt or die - move to Europe.
Australia would make it happen even sooner
*edit: Or later, depends on if you go east or west to get there "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
931
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:21:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Go out to nullsec That seems to be the answer for everything nowadays, doesn't it? But it's really to be expected from someone who can't even attribute their own forum signature to a proper author. OP: if it's a timezone thing, then you'll have to hire someone else to either go to war with them (despite Inferno, this is still viable to the last tiny shred of extent), or maybe bump-grief them out of the systems you like. This option has the positive side effects of creating more pvp opportunities in empire, and supporting the mercenary industry. You can also consider moving to more out-of-the-way areas, which are seldom populated. You'll need a freighter to move the minerals, probably. Or you can just take the corpse's advice and pack all your crap into a hauler and take a trip to null, so the sheeple derpers who are too chicken-**** to die in groups of less than a hundred have something to hot-drop. It's to be expected from someone new here with less than 1000 likes will try to hurt my feelings in GD I wasn't trying to hurt your feelings; I was simply pointing out the obvious. If you got a sad from my reply, then it's your fault for being so thin-skinned. Would explain that sickly blue hue, at least. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9632
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:27:00 -
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Funny how, by the time the Euro TZ people come home, the belts have already been chewed on for 6 hours and yet how they apparently manage to be pristine up until that pointGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2358
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:37:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Go out to nullsec That seems to be the answer for everything nowadays, doesn't it? But it's really to be expected from someone who can't even attribute their own forum signature to a proper author. OP: if it's a timezone thing, then you'll have to hire someone else to either go to war with them (despite Inferno, this is still viable to the last tiny shred of extent), or maybe bump-grief them out of the systems you like. This option has the positive side effects of creating more pvp opportunities in empire, and supporting the mercenary industry. You can also consider moving to more out-of-the-way areas, which are seldom populated. You'll need a freighter to move the minerals, probably. Or you can just take the corpse's advice and pack all your crap into a hauler and take a trip to null, so the sheeple derpers who are too chicken-**** to die in groups of less than a hundred have something to hot-drop. It's to be expected from someone new here with less than 1000 likes will try to hurt my feelings in GD I wasn't trying to hurt your feelings; I was simply pointing out the obvious. If you got a sad from my reply, then it's your fault for being so thin-skinned. Would explain that sickly blue hue, at least.
You're definitely new here
Hai, I'm Surf "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
13
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:39:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:
~ Get in a Lowsec Pirate gang and mine Roids while they Gatecamp
If he joined a pirate corp I'd imagine this would happen. We Be Pirates
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2358
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:41:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Mars Theran wrote:
~ Get in a Lowsec Pirate gang and mine Roids while they Gatecamp
If he joined a pirate corp I'd imagine this would happen. We Be Pirates
I miss Curzon "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
61
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:06:00 -
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Thread need more Garmon. |
Oso Curioso
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:18:00 -
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What a bunch of stupid motherfuckers. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1435
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:21:00 -
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Ohh come now, abuse of that sort is not required, nor needed. Rule #1 of wormholes: Bookmark everything, especially your exit.
---CCP can't patch stupid--- |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2358
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:23:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ohh come now, abuse of that sort is not required, nor needed.
I agree, that was totally uncalled for "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Journies End
144
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Posted - 2012.09.29 04:33:00 -
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Ive wardecced high sec miners before. Ive seen it all. Dock and log off for a week, corp hop, dec shield and actually continue to mine and die in droves. The way the war dec mechanics are and the barge buff, which was needed in a lot of ways, are currently theres no good way in high sec to engage if you dont want to be engaged.
If the stripping of belts in high sec is what drives conflict thats fine, but I dont see it happening minus ice belts. Ice is the limiting factor in high sec as well as null sec. You simply cannot mine ice you cant reach and the differing POSs need the dif isos. If any conflict is created form mining in high sec it should be an increase in low ends and slight decrease in middle ore amounts keeping the boring dry but intensely necessary low end pipe open, cant screw super and cap production too much without a massive amount of low ends or drive people to actually mine low end ores in null to make up the difference ( though that will be a fine balancing act now that gun mining is gone), and then create the POS infrastructure issue as a conflict driver over ice. The issue is the numbers of dif POSs around New Eden and the distribution spectrum there, in high, low and null. EAch POS has a different value to different people. Another issue would be with the new POS work. As if ice becomes a huge conflict driver in some way then POS and other isotope users will feel the pinch ( caps and jfs here included) and with the spread of the different POS types for different measures there might be an interesting facet in the ratio of usage/distribution and fuel. The new POSs of course could change this with components needing different fuel perhaps beyond the initial POS tower making the tower generic or any isos while components added would require certain fuel but I think thatd add undue headache again to fuelers.
Its a very neat dynamic due to the racial distribution of ice and isotopes and how theyre needed throughout New Eden. This imo would be easier to drive conflict.
But a better look at the numbers that CCP has would be needed to truly see where a nice tight pinch could be put on things to drive value and competition.
Oh and as a side note. Bumping is truly griefing simply because theres no way around it. Its not extortion its griefing just as the frieghter bumping is griefing. Unfortunately I do understand why its come to pass due to the buff and that now theres not much a single person can do to stop unwanted mining. The ironic fact is that this is supposed to be a group game and now that the only solution is a group function you see lone individuals being the bumpers just as lone individuals were the gankers. I actually prefered ganking as it DID something and caused destruction as well as there is a way to protect yourself. I dont mind something as long as with some thought you can counter it. Bumping a mack has no counter just as perma bumping a freighter has none. James315 will hate me for saying it but there it goes, from both a ganker and a miner. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
293
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Posted - 2012.09.29 05:10:00 -
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Oso Curioso wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Go out to nullsec that has nothing to do with my questions
Sure it does.
Quote:Is there any way to compete for the roids other than time zone hopping to mine before they do?
Low sec also has lots of belts that will allow you to compete with EU guys as well. or Gotta find low traffic systems. They're out there. |
Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
45
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Posted - 2012.09.29 05:12:00 -
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Yes, it is totally unheard of for distinct areas to provide protection for miners, while in other areas the resources go to whomever is the most daring and/or powerful.
Oh, unless you compare North America to the Congo.
Or say Russia to the Amazon.
Lo/null sec dweller wishing for more freedom in hi-sec is like a Somali pirate wanting to be able to hi-jack ships in view of the Statue of Liberty. In other words, keep dreaming. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
293
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Posted - 2012.09.29 05:29:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Yes, it is totally unheard of for distinct areas to provide protection for miners, while in other areas the resources go to whomever is the most daring and/or powerful.
Oh, unless you compare North America to the Congo.
Or say Russia to the Amazon.
Lo/null sec dweller wishing for more freedom in hi-sec is like a Somali pirate wanting to be able to hi-jack ships in view of the Statue of Liberty. In other words, keep dreaming. You can rat in low sec after only 5 days, it's tough, people do it, and they manage not to get blown up.
If you can rat after 5 days, how many days do you need to be able to mine?
Afraid of the congo?
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