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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4681
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Posted - 2012.09.29 21:46:00 -
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If EVE will actually have a working bounty system this will change so much Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
89
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Posted - 2012.09.29 21:47:00 -
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And yet, still no final details about how Greyscale is going to destroy Crimewatch. By keeping us in the dark, it means we can't show them the places they messed up until it's too late to change! Well done! :CCP: |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Ascendance.
383
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Posted - 2012.09.29 21:55:00 -
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I am more interested in how the code rebuilding for skills and session changes is coming. So gate jumping is faster.
With the info that came out tonight I expect a lot of devblogs next week. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
624
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Posted - 2012.09.29 21:57:00 -
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Adriel Malakai wrote:And yet, still no final details about how Greyscale is going to destroy Crimewatch. By keeping us in the dark, it means we can't show them the places they messed up until it's too late to change! Well done! :CCP: Do you honestly think they'd listen anyway? Nothing Found |
Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
99
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:01:00 -
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Real Poison wrote:http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/newssystem/media/63428/1/NewShips_940.jpg Seriously CCP ? When the leak showed that Minmatar destroyer i was hopeful that this was some kind of placeholder or a massively unfinished prototype. Even as an hardcore atheist i must say. DEAR GOD WHAT AN UGLY SHIP! Please! This calls for a new player created ship-model event. After a sexy hull like the Tornado you cannot seriously bring such a ship that looks more awful than the old Reaper model. What the F is that suppsed to be? a WW2 Tiger Tank Hull? Adding a ridiculous amount of Wingy-bits to the front? Even a Moa looks sexy in comparison.
The Caldari dessie looks weird too -- sort of like a catamaran or a kayak.
But yeah, that Minmatar dessie looks like a turd with a drink-umbrella sticking out of it.
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Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
89
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:02:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Adriel Malakai wrote:And yet, still no final details about how Greyscale is going to destroy Crimewatch. By keeping us in the dark, it means we can't show them the places they messed up until it's too late to change! Well done! :CCP: Do you honestly think they'd listen anyway?
Definitely not, they're just trying to minimize the risk of another **** storm on the forums by saying IT'S TOO LATE SORRY! v0v
It does make me sad that they are actually making HS safe*, not safer as Soundwave laughably claims.
* For HS miners and mission runners. With these changes, they're pretty much only at risk to awoxing, since ganking keeps getting nerfed. I give it six months before corp killing carries a perma-ban. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
624
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:04:00 -
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Adriel Malakai wrote:It does make me sad that they are actually making HS safe, not safer as Soundwave laughably claims. Yeah, I'm not exactly thrilled about it either. Nothing Found |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
175
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:16:00 -
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Real Poison wrote:http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/newssystem/media/63428/1/NewShips_940.jpg Seriously CCP ? When the leak showed that Minmatar destroyer i was hopeful that this was some kind of placeholder or a massively unfinished prototype. Even as an hardcore atheist i must say. DEAR GOD WHAT AN UGLY SHIP! Please! This calls for a new player created ship-model event. After a sexy hull like the Tornado you cannot seriously bring such a ship that looks more awful than the old Reaper model. What the F is that suppsed to be? a WW2 Tiger Tank Hull? Adding a ridiculous amount of Wingy-bits to the front? Even a Moa looks sexy in comparison.
At least it looks slightly different. Amarr just get another coercer lol |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2710
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:44:00 -
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Actual meaningful bounty hunting in my EVE.
I'll believe it when I see it live on TQ. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
834
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:51:00 -
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I can't believe they're going live with that amateurish Minmatar destroyer model. |
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
885
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:55:00 -
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Adriel Malakai wrote:Definitely not, they're just trying to minimize the risk of another **** storm on the forums by saying IT'S TOO LATE SORRY! v0v Not revealing any details until the very last minute was basically what happened with Incarna and that wasn't exactly a successful method of stopping these forums from going up in flames. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Selinate
1020
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:57:00 -
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Meh. Looks kind of interesting, I suppose.
Disclaimer: Any or all features that CCP claims will come around in this next expansion is due for change or removal upon the whims of the CCP devs.
It's happened. Things get suddenly pulled, changed, etc. Thought I would state that before people start thinking that the changes are in stone. |
Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
671
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:59:00 -
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*smiles* Bounty Hunting, Soon Gäó
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Ryunosuke Kusanagi
51
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:01:00 -
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okay so I have a few questions regarding the upcoming expansion (note that I am going off the Massively article as there are more details at this time)
The new bounty system - Okay so I have to start by asking HOW is this different from the current bounty system except for adding alliances and Corporations to the current bounty system? As I understand it, there are no longer minimum requirements for putting bounties on people, this brings up a point. What's to say that a criminal or someone with shady motives cannot put a bounty on newer players or players that have done no wrong simply to abuse the system?
New Tool tips for alerting of nearby bounties, First off, how could this change how Locator agents are used in locating bounties and other people?
"These tooltips, according to Lander and Touberg, help CCP to give every ship a story and to move the game away from the old perception of "spreadsheets in space." - I feel some sort of betrayal here, as I am used to "spreadsheets in Space" ... I mean EVE online :)
New popup icons for aggression levels, I actually kind of like this idea as it makes it more available what actions provide what kind of response, (Unable to jump/dock, player aggression and CONCORD responses). Also along these lines are the new ship safety features, I have mixed feelings about this, one one hand, learning EVE the hard way is part of what makes EVE...well EVE. On the other hand, having these systems in place for newer players does make sense.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4908
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:11:00 -
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Basically this is the "put the final nail into the coffin of hisec PvP" expansion. Hopefully now that hisec will be totally risk-free they will decide that removing L4s and incursions from hisec will prevent the risk/reward aspect of the game from being completely wiped out. please leave |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
338
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:16:00 -
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the big change in the bounty system is not that it can be placed on corporations and allances, thats just a nice gimmick
the big change is that it is no longer easily exploitable by letting a friend pod you in an empty clone to collect the bounty
the new system will only pay that bounty if there is an actual loss.
lets say for example a 100 million bounty is placed on my head because i killed someones orca and he is mad at me. with the current system, i will just pod myself with an alt and collect the bounty for myself, laughing madly about how stupid that person was for placing the bounty, secretly thanking CCP for a very, very broken system
with the new system, i have to loose stuff worth at least 100 million, probably more to collect the bounty. much like the LP payout for kills in FW works. if i desperately want to get rid of the bounty, i can still kill myself, but i will LOOSE isk by doing so. other players can actually start hunting for the ebil piwates with the HUGE bountys on their heads, because they will make some money by killing their pimped out machariel
that introduces a new profession to eve, the bounty hunter. it also makes the pirate profession more viable because they will have to be careful wherever they are once they have accumulated a bounty high enough. dont forget that it gives carebears a way to actually do something (read: pay someone else to do something) against those griefers constanly disrupting their peacefull mining op.
i can't emphasise enough how much that will change eve. fantastic feature |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Ascendance.
383
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:16:00 -
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http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/09/29/eve-online-retribution-announced-detailed
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Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
671
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:Basically this is the "put the final nail into the coffin of hisec PvP" expansion. Hopefully now that hisec will be totally risk-free they will decide that removing L4s and incursions from hisec will prevent the risk/reward aspect of the game from being completely wiped out.
One would think the advent of Bounty Hunting would increase PvP, not reduce it?
Besides it wasnt a long time ago you were suggesting BH would never prevent skilled criminals from their activities?
I still don't see it as a remedy from criminal activity, but if anything I'm hoping it might actually make High sec a more entertaining place for PvP as a result. It at last means there might be more sensible responce to the ganker who has had it easy up to now with their easy capabilities of avoiding a fight where the target might actually shoot back.
At the very least it might at last give credance to a career path that has been invalid for years in EvE and expand gameplay as a result, I see it as a great announcement for EvE and a vicotry for players as a result. +1 CCP.
But I guess if your conceding defeat to the law concerned individuals of High sec Andski I will understand. *smiles* Bounty Hunting, Soon Gäó
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
338
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:20:00 -
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Andski wrote:Basically this is the "put the final nail into the coffin of hisec PvP" expansion. Hopefully now that hisec will be totally risk-free they will decide that removing L4s and incursions from hisec will prevent the risk/reward aspect of the game from being completely wiped out.
tell me more how nerfing neutral reps (new crimewatch), fixing awkward and broken mechanics (new crimewatch) and introducing a ebil piwate, everybody shoot him flag nerfs highsec pvp ? there was also talk about transferable kill rights.
a fixed bounty system is also a different kind of highsec pvp, it does not involve direct pewpew, but it gives the victims a way to fight back (let others fight back) |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4910
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:26:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:tell me more how nerfing neutral reps (new crimewatch), fixing awkward and broken mechanics (new crimewatch) and introducing a ebil piwate, everybody shoot him flag nerfs highsec pvp ? there was also talk about transferable kill rights.
a fixed bounty system is also a different kind of highsec pvp, it does not involve direct pewpew, but it gives the victims a way to fight back (let others fight back)
Anyone can shoot anyone -5 and below including pods. Crimewatch just makes it a whole lot safer to move a 10b ISK pinata around on autopilot. The bounty system needed work but shifting "everyone in the target corp can shoot you" to "literally everyone in the game can shoot you while using neutral reps with impunity while nobody else can fight on your side" is just goddamn stupid. please leave |
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1365
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:31:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Andski wrote:Basically this is the "put the final nail into the coffin of hisec PvP" expansion. Hopefully now that hisec will be totally risk-free they will decide that removing L4s and incursions from hisec will prevent the risk/reward aspect of the game from being completely wiped out. tell me more how nerfing neutral reps (new crimewatch), fixing awkward and broken mechanics (new crimewatch) and introducing an "ebil piwate, everybody shoot him (new crimewatch) flag nerfs highsec pvp ? there was also talk about transferable kill rights. a fixed bounty system is also a different kind of highsec pvp, it does not involve direct pewpew, but it gives the victims a way to fight back by letting others do the dirty work lots of buffs to highsec pvp in my eyes You just have to ignore Andski. He thinks suicide ganking is all high sec PvP should be and if anything in the game changes or does not cater to his play style, he deems it broken and or worthless. Put him on block and never regret it.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4911
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:36:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:You just have to ignore Andski. He thinks suicide ganking is all high sec PvP should be and if anything in the game changes or does not cater to his play style, he deems it broken and or worthless. Put him on block and never regret it.
Suicide ganking is literally the only PvP left in hisec other than RvB "no-pod-honoure-fights" and the apparent solution to this is to do literally everything possible short of disabling aggression in hisec outright to minimize suicide ganking and painting it as "more PvP opportunities." please leave |
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge
213
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:41:00 -
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I can't wait till we can get more details than a pretty picture...on their "info" page too... *facepalm http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing -á-á < Unified Inventory is NOT ready... |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
338
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:46:00 -
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Andski wrote:Gilbaron wrote:tell me more how nerfing neutral reps (new crimewatch), fixing awkward and broken mechanics (new crimewatch) and introducing a ebil piwate, everybody shoot him flag nerfs highsec pvp ? there was also talk about transferable kill rights.
a fixed bounty system is also a different kind of highsec pvp, it does not involve direct pewpew, but it gives the victims a way to fight back (let others fight back) Anyone can shoot anyone -5 and below including pods. Crimewatch just makes it a whole lot safer to move a 10b ISK pinata around on autopilot. The bounty system needed work but shifting "everyone in the target corp can shoot you" to "literally everyone in the game can shoot you while using neutral reps with impunity while nobody else can fight on your side" is just goddamn stupid.
-5 means criminal. why should they be safe in police country ? btw: there is going to be a way to buy your way back to a better sec status (-4.9) by handing in dog-tags.
and about neutral reps: from what i remember from fanfest: as soon as someone starts shooting a suspect (yellow flag) a limited engagement (read: mini-war) between the two starts. everyone who also gets involved in that engagement on either side, will get flagged for that engagement. correct me if you have more information than i do, what i remember is a few months old |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4912
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:47:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:One would think the advent of Bounty Hunting would increase PvP, not reduce it?
Besides it wasnt a long time ago you were suggesting BH would never prevent skilled criminals from their activities?
I still don't see it as a remedy from criminal activity, but if anything I'm hoping it might actually make High sec a more entertaining place for PvP. It at last means there might be more sensible responce to the ganker who has had it easy up to now with their easy capabilities of avoiding a fight where the target might actually shoot back at them.
At the very least it might at last give credance to a career path that has been invalid for years in EvE and expand gameplay as a result, I see it as a great announcement for EvE and a victory for players also. +1 CCP.
But I guess if you're conceding defeat to the law concerned individuals of High sec Andski I will understand. *smiles*
You're right, bounty hunting has been a joke since ever but my gripe is with Crimewatch, not bounty hunting. please leave |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4912
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:49:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:-5 means criminal. why should they be safe in police country ?
As I said, -5 and below are shootable on Tranquility right now. Not until Retribution/NGE is released, now.
Gilbaron wrote:btw: there is going to be a way to buy your way back to a better sec status (-4.9) by handing in dog-tags.
They have not discussed that since Fanfest.
Gilbaron wrote:and about neutral reps: from what i remember from fanfest: as soon as someone starts shooting a suspect (yellow flag) a limited engagement (read: mini-war) between the two starts. everyone who also gets involved in that engagement on either side, will get flagged for that engagement. correct me if you have more information than i do, what i remember is a few months old
So can somebody get involved on the 'red' side of that equation? please leave |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
339
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Posted - 2012.09.30 00:01:00 -
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Andski wrote: So can somebody get involved on the 'red' side of that equation?
by assisting the flagged guy you become flagged aswell (as a suspect if you were not before, and as a part of the limited engagement). player police forces than decide whether to agress you or not. as long as they dont agress you you can only assist the criminal, as soon as they do, you can start shooting them.
the question remains how exactly these engagements are defined. but i see a LOT of potential for smallscale pvp |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
320
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Posted - 2012.09.30 00:24:00 -
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They should have like a 1 week vacation from the game for some bounty hunter victimes Selective Pressure [FOVRA] is now recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797934#post1797934 |
Eternal Error
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
137
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Posted - 2012.09.30 00:26:00 -
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CCP better have ditched the majority of Greyscale's crimewatch ideas by release time. |
Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.09.30 00:32:00 -
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Andski wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:You just have to ignore Andski. He thinks suicide ganking is all high sec PvP should be and if anything in the game changes or does not cater to his play style, he deems it broken and or worthless. Put him on block and never regret it. Suicide ganking is literally the only PvP left in hisec other than RvB "no-pod-honoure-fights" and the apparent solution to this is to do literally everything possible short of disabling aggression in hisec outright to minimize suicide ganking and painting it as "more PvP opportunities."
So why aren't you in lowsec or null, if you're so desperate for PVP? Or does it bother you when your targets can fight back?
If there's anything I hate more than a pirate, it's a whiny pirate. HTFU.
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