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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:21:00 -
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What first strikes me as shallow is your research into things like exploration and the market. AlsoGǪ
Malcanis wrote:EVE gives you back exactly what you put in. People who play it in a boring, safe way will have a boring safe experience. ^^ That. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:34:00 -
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Vulix wrote:I have played the game for two years. Then you really should know better.
Quote:As I said, you can invest a lot of time into these activities, yet they still only engage you at a shallow level. Not quite. You can invest any amount of time you like into them, and the depth is your to choose as well. It seems you choose shallow engagement. This is not because it can't be done in-depth, but most likely because you haven't sat down and figured out how.
Quote:If you compare this game to Ultima Online, they both pursue similar game designs to provide players with things to do, but UO does it so much better. Why can't EVE do it well too? For one, EVE isn't design around giving players things to do. It's designed around making players give themselves things to do. From this, it sounds like your problem is a classic theme park vs. sandbox issue.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.09.30 19:05:00 -
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Vulix wrote:I'm not sure why people keep nagging on my length of stay in New Eden. Because you brought it up as an argument forGǪ something. Experience, maybe?
Quote:It's not like playing this game any longer or something would give my original post a sense of authority that magically makes it more valid. Exactly. So why did you bring it up?
Quote:The points I raised would be there whether I was a 1 day old player, or if I've been playing since 03 GǪand our counter-points is that the problem is how you choose to play it, and your expectations of what the game is supposed to provide you with. We don't feel it's shallow because we take the tools to build a deep game for ourselves. You do something else and thus find it shallow.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.09.30 19:15:00 -
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Vulix wrote:I brought up the age thing to give some context to the type of player I am. However, people were taking that information and using it for a different purpose, i.e. discrediting my original post. Yes, wellGǪ as someone who's been around for two years, you'd be expected to know how exploration works (especially if you're going to complain about it) and how the market differs from what pretty much all other games offer (especially if you're going to claim that it's same-old same-old).
Quote:My issue with this game is there are many aspects to which a player can not immerse themselves beyond a shallow point. GǪand this is because you choose not to immerse yourself in them. Plenty of other people have chosen to do so and don't treat it as a chore to be ground to tears. Again, the game is what you make it. You choose to make it a grind, a chore, and to not delve deep. The game can't fix your choices. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.10.01 04:38:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:How does one reconcile quote 1 with quote 2? Easily. There's no real inherent conflict between them. The game does allow you to take advantage of other people's na+»vety to earn enough ISK to play without paying for it yourself, and it is much worse if you try to solo it. You just have to remember that the people you team up with might at any point take advantage of any thoughtless mistake you make. The key word is GÇ£mightGÇ¥, depending on what else you share with themGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.10.01 10:57:00 -
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Mme Pinkerton wrote:So what is special about the way the market in EVE works? For one, it's the game's engine GÇö the nexus between the production and the destruction cycles. In and of itself, that's different from many (most, even?) games, which rather have a gather/obsolescence cycle that generates a different pattern of both supply and demand. For another, it's the nature of those driving factors: they're entirely player-driven, which leads to a very different psychology and dynamic in the market than if half of it is run by NPCs.
The trading is the same: buy low, sell high, anticipate supply and demand. The difference is the actual market where this trading takes place: the reasons why prices are low or high and why supply demand will swing the way they do. Neither pre-patch speculation or manipulation is particularly sophisticated, because those are so obvious. The fun part lies in doing the same in the face of the player-driven ebbs and flows and keeping in mind all the interdependencies between goods and the ripple-effects that changes cause. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:13:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:To ASSume that the OP played the game different, or not as intended, or somehow inferior just because you dont agree with the OP's assesment of the game would be an ininjustice not only to OP but to yourself as well GǪand as luck would have it, it's not an assumption but something the OP himself makes clear. He plays the game as a grind; he is misinformed about basic game mechanics; the OP expresses a wish that the game entertain him rather than him creating his own entertainment.
Add to this the general truism that the game gives back what you put into it, and it turns out to be pretty spot on. I don't assume that the OP played the game differently because I disagree with his assessment; I disagree with his assessment because he rather clearly demonstrates that it comes from him playing the game differently and expecting something of it that it never intended to offer. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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