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Xanadu Farsight
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:16:00 -
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Hello
o/
Ive been here since 03 and i think it's finally time to call it a day. EvE Online has become a cess pit of trolls, grief corps and idiot alliances who are very slowly screwing EvE into the ground. It has become obsessive behavior from CEOS, paranoid ceos, and paranoid alliance heads jumping at every shadow.
Solo PvP is dead, i spend hours looking for solo kills small gang pvp? don't be stupid, u engage a gang the same size as yours and you get blobbed in minutes Sov warfare? lol, CCP made is easy for you, bring back the days of bm's and warp to 15 capital ships has ruined eve online pvp, before them, we had real pvp, not this hot dropping nonsense mineral prices have crashed, makes having a high sec mining alt to fund pvp, pointless Incursions? wtg CCP, make level 4's pointless and drive people out of null 25k pilots online? what a joke. i remember there being 100k online before CCP screwed this game up
Bottom line is, im done, ive had enough, this game used to be amazing and now its crap, ccp just dumb it down, year after year.
At this point id prefer to play GW2 or wow than this, ive had 6 accounts all the way, everyone is over 140mil sp. 68 billion isk across 6 accounts
no, u cant have my stuff as im giving it all to my rl mate
If eve is still here in 2 years, ill be suprised |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
639
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:19:00 -
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0/10 Nothing Found |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
430
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:22:00 -
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Oh no! Another forum alt is quitting the game... They see me trolling, they hating... |
Tahnil
Sirius Fleet
9
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:23:00 -
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One day old alt char troll alert. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4939
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:23:00 -
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Walk safe now that you parked your spaceship, see you when you get tired of walking.
/c
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Irya Boone
Escadron leader
51
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:24:00 -
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so sad :( we lost a great .. humm nevermind !! Whormoles are working as Intended .. so don't Touch my Hole CCP !!! CCP Why don't you name the 0.0 and null system With real name of solar system it would be so awesome !!! and put some NASA logo on the game :)
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1230
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:24:00 -
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Xanadu Farsight wrote: If eve is still here in 2 years, ill be suprised
Will you promise to check in again in 2 years so we can laugh at you then too?
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2313
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:26:00 -
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CURRENT CORPORATION Sebiestor Tribe [S] from 2012.09.30 22:20 to this day
PREVIOUS CORPORATION(S) The Studs [STUD2] from 2012.09.30 21:22 to 2012.09.30 22:20.
Tribal Liberation Force [TLIB] from 2012.09.30 14:34 to 2012.09.30 21:22.
Republic Military School [RMS] from 2012.09.30 14:13 to 2012.09.30 14:34. |
Cannibal Kane
Umkhonto We Sizwe
567
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:31:00 -
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"25k pilots online? what a joke. i remember there being 100k online before CCP screwed this game up"
The Bolded part is where I realized you are full of crap and just Trolling. If you wanted to be taken seriously you will know the record was last year with 63,170. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
2380
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:36:00 -
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Xanadu Farsight wrote:25k pilots online? what a joke. i remember there being 100k online before CCP screwed this game up
EVE has never had 100k people online at the same time before. Only good games have those kinds of numbers, EVE being a terrible game that is getting worse has broke 60k only a couple of times before starting its long slow slide to irrelevance.
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baltec1
Bat Country
2313
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:40:00 -
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Perramas wrote:Xanadu Farsight wrote:25k pilots online? what a joke. i remember there being 100k online before CCP screwed this game up EVE has never had 100k people online at the same time before. Only good games have those kinds of numbers, EVE being a terrible game that is getting worse has broke 60k only a couple of times before starting its long slow slide to irrelevance.
Only if we ignore the subs which have done nothing but grow, even after the disaster last sumer. |
knobber Jobbler
207
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:40:00 -
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No one does incursions now. Its all about the Faction Warfare and the 150m-1b ISK per hour for doing next to nothing. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
404
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:49:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:"25k pilots online? what a joke. i remember there being 100k online before CCP screwed this game up"
The Bolded part is where I realized you are full of crap and just Trolling. If you wanted to be taken seriously you will know the record was last year with 63,170. What's a difference of 40,000 between friends :P? |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
238
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:52:00 -
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I can see where the OP is coming from but really, **** happens. Things change. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2712
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:53:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:"25k pilots online? what a joke. i remember there being 100k online before CCP screwed this game up"
The Bolded part is where I realized you are full of crap and just Trolling. If you wanted to be taken seriously you will know the record was last year with 63,170. What's a difference of 40,000 between friends :P?
Well he did say the number he used wasn't a fact, but based on the functioning of his brain, so some slight difference between it and reality is to be expected. |
Jim Era
3928
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:55:00 -
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wat |
Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising
30
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:58:00 -
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Xanadu Farsight wrote:EVE isn't a game. It's a job. Solo PvP is dead, i spend hours looking for solo kills True, but it's dead since a long time. Reason: more people fly in fleets.small gang pvp? don't be stupid, u engage a gang the same size as yours and you get blobbed in minutes Half true. Depends on EVE time. But sometimes bad things will happen.Sov warfare? lol, CCP made is easy for you, bring back the days of bm's and warp to 15 "The old days were always better"... and everyone starts again to create insta spots for the lag.capital ships has ruined eve online pvp, before them, we had real pvp, not this hot dropping nonsense Mainly used for corp/assets logistics. But also here: EVE is a MMORPG... and should we really explain, what that means?mineral prices have crashed, makes having a high sec mining alt to fund pvp, pointless You want something stable but EVE's economy isn't working like that.Incursions? wtg CCP, make level 4's pointless and drive people out of null I personally know noone who's running Incursions and left 0.0 for this. And I know a lot of people. The only unknown ones I ever met in an Incursion were those ones we killed.25k pilots online? what a joke. i remember there being 100k online before CCP screwed this game up I am 2006 and never experienced 100k online. Peak was - probably I am wrong - 63K or so.Bottom line is, im done, ive had enough, this game used to be amazing and now its crap, ccp just dumb it down, year after year. Yes. You sound very frustrating with a pinch of emo like a bittervet. EVE isn't crap from my pov. It's an evolving game and the more player join the more challanging it will be. That means: if the game evolves and you don't... it will hurt and it's gonna be the wrong game for you. What you want to have is something on a slow or stand still level where you have control over things to make them happen on your terms. But a dynamic and complex game like EVE - driven and manipulated by the community - isn't working like this. All this cry at blobs, hot drops etc. is irrelevant, waste of time and energy. It's a social community game where people live in corps, fly in fleets... the more it's growing... the more fleets are around, the bigger fleets are around. EVE is a sandbox. Period. It's a never ending experience, learn and adapt process. If you are not willing to learn and adapt, to change your style and you are still mourning the past then it's better to leave EVE and play the console game style where you can challange the patterns and press the save'n'pause button for a pee.At this point id prefer to play GW2 or wow than this, ive had 6 accounts all the way, everyone is over 140mil sp. 68 billion isk across 6 accounts. Copy. Then it's time to leave, old crabby man and let the younger guys do the future job.no, u cant have my stuff as im giving it all to my rl mate Why not terminating all accounts? This is a lame excuse for a backdoor. Honestly.If eve is still here in 2 years, ill be suprised Get ready to be surprised. All the best for your RL future. o7 |
Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
2385
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Perramas wrote:Xanadu Farsight wrote:25k pilots online? what a joke. i remember there being 100k online before CCP screwed this game up EVE has never had 100k people online at the same time before. Only good games have those kinds of numbers, EVE being a terrible game that is getting worse has broke 60k only a couple of times before starting its long slow slide to irrelevance. Only if we ignore the subs which have done nothing but grow, even after the disaster last sumer.
We were not talking subs, we were talking number of people online at the same time. That peaked in January of 2011, you can tell this if you know how to read a chart. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Notice for the last year the average number of people has been lower than the peak back in January of 2011. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2313
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:04:00 -
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Perramas wrote:We were not talking subs, we were talking number of people online at the same time. That peaked in January of 2011, you can tell this if you know how to read a chart. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Notice for the last year the average number of people has been lower than the peak back in January of 2011.
Subs are the more important number. |
lanyaie
543
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:06:00 -
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I for all of the eve community would like to congratulate you for quitting as that is most likely why you are creating a post about it.
Once you actually decide to quit you will know that you won't waste your time creating a post about, get laughed at by everyone as no one cares how long you've been playing eve and how much isk you have.
If any of the actual players that quit did decide to create a thread about it GD would have quite a few pages but not to worry our IQ average simply goes up for everyone that quits.
Hay |
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Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
129
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:10:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Perramas wrote:We were not talking subs, we were talking number of people online at the same time. That peaked in January of 2011, you can tell this if you know how to read a chart. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Notice for the last year the average number of people has been lower than the peak back in January of 2011. Subs are the more important number. Even so, the average server population is just as healthy now as then.
What good are subs...if they dont log in. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9669
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:12:00 -
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Xanadu Farsight wrote:Bottom line is, im done Unlikely. Seeing as how the rest of your post was just a bunch of made-up nonsense, there's no real reason to believe this either.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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baltec1
Bat Country
2313
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:19:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:baltec1 wrote:Perramas wrote:We were not talking subs, we were talking number of people online at the same time. That peaked in January of 2011, you can tell this if you know how to read a chart. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Notice for the last year the average number of people has been lower than the peak back in January of 2011. Subs are the more important number. Even so, the average server population is just as healthy now as then. What good are subs...if they dont log in.
The money to pay for devs? |
Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
91
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:30:00 -
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Man the violins men! We are under attack by a sad individual! |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
937
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:baltec1 wrote:Perramas wrote:We were not talking subs, we were talking number of people online at the same time. That peaked in January of 2011, you can tell this if you know how to read a chart. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Notice for the last year the average number of people has been lower than the peak back in January of 2011. Subs are the more important number. Even so, the average server population is just as healthy now as then. What good are subs...if they dont log in. The money to pay for devs? I'm pretty sure we usually see eye-to-eye on things, but I have to disagree with you on this one. While subs are good as a metric for current-time financial stability, they have little bearing on the health of the game itself. The player count is a much more favorable metric here, since it shows player interest in the game. An increase in subs without a proportional increase in player count can mean one of two things: either people are simply getting more alts without growing the game's population (stagnation), or the game's population is growing but the players exhibit a decrease in enthusiasm and simply play less hours per day. The latter is particularly dangerous because it means people aren't all that excited about the game's features or direction, and therefore aren't likely to continue their subscriptions in the long term.
Do the devs have more money if only the subscription count grows? Sure, but it's also evident that that money isn't going toward the development and marketing of the product that makes that money. A drive to increase subs above all else is a short-term profit hedge. I won't speculate as to CCP's intentions here. As far as I know, they might be very apprehensive about the situation. But I know for a fact that a declining player count is bad, and that's exactly what we have here. We barely break 40,000 on weekdays now, and there's no way we can't attribute this to CCP's fight against bots (lol).
With each passing day, I meet less and less new people, and have to memorize more and more names of alts that my friends keep getting. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
baltec1
Bat Country
2315
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:44:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: I'm pretty sure we usually see eye-to-eye on things, but I have to disagree with you on this one. While subs are good as a metric for current-time financial stability, they have little bearing on the health of the game itself. The player count is a much more favorable metric here, since it shows player interest in the game. An increase in subs without a proportional increase in player count can mean one of two things: either people are simply getting more alts without growing the game's population (stagnation), or the game's population is growing but the players exhibit a decrease in enthusiasm and simply play less hours per day. The latter is particularly dangerous because it means people aren't all that excited about the game's features or direction, and therefore aren't likely to continue their subscriptions in the long term.
Do the devs have more money if only the subscription count grows? Sure, but it's also evident that that money isn't going toward the development and marketing of the product that makes that money. A drive to increase subs above all else is a short-term profit hedge. I won't speculate as to CCP's intentions here. As far as I know, they might be very apprehensive about the situation. But I know for a fact that a declining player count is bad, and that's exactly what we have here. We barely break 40,000 on weekdays now, and there's no way we can't attribute this to CCP's fight against bots (lol).
With each passing day, I meet less and less new people, and have to memorize more and more names of alts that my friends keep getting.
Given the changes coming this winter and dust intergration and future plans I'd say CCP are doing a fine job of putting that money to good use.
Population wise EVE is just as healthy as in 2011. Average population is around 40- 45k on a night. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
314
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: I'm pretty sure we usually see eye-to-eye on things, but I have to disagree with you on this one. While subs are good as a metric for current-time financial stability, they have little bearing on the health of the game itself. The player count is a much more favorable metric here, since it shows player interest in the game. An increase in subs without a proportional increase in player count can mean one of two things: either people are simply getting more alts without growing the game's population (stagnation), or the game's population is growing but the players exhibit a decrease in enthusiasm and simply play less hours per day. The latter is particularly dangerous because it means people aren't all that excited about the game's features or direction, and therefore aren't likely to continue their subscriptions in the long term.
Do the devs have more money if only the subscription count grows? Sure, but it's also evident that that money isn't going toward the development and marketing of the product that makes that money. A drive to increase subs above all else is a short-term profit hedge. I won't speculate as to CCP's intentions here. As far as I know, they might be very apprehensive about the situation. But I know for a fact that a declining player count is bad, and that's exactly what we have here. We barely break 40,000 on weekdays now, and there's no way we can't attribute this to CCP's fight against bots (lol).
With each passing day, I meet less and less new people, and have to memorize more and more names of alts that my friends keep getting.
Given the changes coming this winter and dust intergration and future plans I'd say CCP are doing a fine job of putting that money to good use. Population wise EVE is just as healthy as in 2011. Average population is around 40- 45k on a night which is a good recovery pace. We also have an aging population. Most the people in my corp a few years ago were either unemployed or still in education, now we have jobs so less time to play. (yay for economic recovery)
Please provide a link showing the increase in subs in the past 12 months. |
Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
2389
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Xanadu Farsight wrote:Bottom line is, im done Unlikely. Seeing as how the rest of your post was just a bunch of made-up nonsense, there's no real reason to believe this either.
Agreed, Doomheim or it didnt happen! |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
333
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:53:00 -
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Sweet another I QUIT thread from some insignificant person
BAI o/ GEWD LUCK o/
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya
R.I.P Vile Rat http://evemaps.dotlan.net/live/Outpost/Rename/2012-09-12 |
baltec1
Bat Country
2315
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:00:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Please provide a link showing the increase in subs in the past 12 months.
Wiki EVE Online wrote:In March 2012, Eve Online reached over 400,000 subscribers. Monthly cost of subscription varies by plan and country ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Online
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Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
2390
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:01:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:baltec1 wrote:Perramas wrote:We were not talking subs, we were talking number of people online at the same time. That peaked in January of 2011, you can tell this if you know how to read a chart. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Notice for the last year the average number of people has been lower than the peak back in January of 2011. Subs are the more important number. Even so, the average server population is just as healthy now as then. What good are subs...if they dont log in. The money to pay for devs?
We all know there are a large number of EVE players who have an active subscription who do not play as opposed to those who do actively play. Those players next step is to cancel and walk away after they get tired of only logging in to change skills to train.
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Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
38
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:08:00 -
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If you would rather play GW 2, then you deserve each other. We will see if that game keeps your interest for 9 years -.- |
baltec1
Bat Country
2315
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:09:00 -
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Perramas wrote:
We all know there are a large number of EVE players who have an active subscription who do not play as opposed to those who do actively play. Those players next step is to cancel and walk away after they get tired of only logging in to change skills to train.
You will be in for a long wait for them to cancel, this has been the norm for 9 years. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
937
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:11:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:[quote=Destiny Corrupted]Population wise EVE is just as healthy as in 2011. Average population is around 40- 45k on a night which is a good recovery pace. We also have an aging population. Most the people in my corp a few years ago were either unemployed or still in education, now we have jobs so less time to play. (yay for economic recovery) Negative.
When I emulate the PCU graph and integrate the average, it's actually in the upper 23,000s. The peak is certainly above 40,000, but that's the peak, which happens at 18:00 EVE (14:00 EST). When I take the "all time" data and shove a trendline between mid-2009 and now, the player count remains static. If I do it from the beginning of 2010 and now, it's negative. You don't even need to do math to see the proof; just eyeball it on Chribba's site.
The point is, EVE had really stable growth until right after Apocrypha, when it flattened out. Now, if I remember correctly, CCP made an "announcement" right around that time. Also, for three years since, we had back-to-back pvp nerfs and money grind buffs. Of course people will get more accounts to grind wormholes/incursions/FW plexes. That doesn't mean that the game became healthier.
I don't think the aging population argument works here either, because the average age has remained constant, if not decreased, despite the game's age. Check this out.
"What are the user demographics like? Based on what I see in the chat channels, my impression is that the users are a bit older than in your normal fantasy MMORPG?
Magn+¦s: ThatGÇÖs probably right, the average age is about 27 years old. 95% of the users are male and 5% women. Most of them have an education and some kind of a degree. Their average EVE playtime per week is 17 hours." (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
129
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:18:00 -
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Perramas wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:baltec1 wrote:Perramas wrote:We were not talking subs, we were talking number of people online at the same time. That peaked in January of 2011, you can tell this if you know how to read a chart. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Notice for the last year the average number of people has been lower than the peak back in January of 2011. Subs are the more important number. Even so, the average server population is just as healthy now as then. What good are subs...if they dont log in. The money to pay for devs? We all know there are a large number of EVE players who have an active subscription who do not play as opposed to those who do actively play. Those players next step is to cancel and walk away after they get tired of only logging in to change skills to train.
I tend to agree with you on that. When a significant number of your customers pay for your product and end up barely using it, something is wrong. Anyone with a minimum of knowledge in marketing would understand this. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
314
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:21:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Please provide a link showing the increase in subs in the past 12 months.
Wiki EVE Online wrote:In March 2012, Eve Online reached over 400,000 subscribers. Monthly cost of subscription varies by plan and country ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Online
Wikipedia...a source of solid information....LOL.
Did you hear the one about the goons who managed to game Wiikipedia into imbedding in Mike Trout's entry an nickname that a single Something Awful user decided it should be, and then the whole forum got in on the action, creating bogus web sites referencing the same nick name, and Wikipedia editors bought it?
When I heard that, I realized that the null sec zealots will game anything to meet their agenda, which is to wipe out high sec, which in turn means a lower sub base. So sorry, I don't believe what I read from Wikipedia.
And CCP is usually not forthcoming with current sub rates. If they had the guts to post monthly sub rates, that would be a very useful tool for the forum warriors, and would eliminate a ton of false information, on both sides of the argument. |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
19
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:22:00 -
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wow u mad. Should have found a half decent corp as I garuntee if you werent trying to "solo pvp" you'd actually be having fun.. This game isnt meant to be played alone. But have fun with WoW Pandas, im sure we will see you again. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2315
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:28:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Wikipedia...a source of solid information....LOL.
Did you hear the one about the goons who managed to game Wiikipedia into imbedding in Mike Trout's entry an nickname that a single Something Awful user decided it should be, and then the whole forum got in on the action, creating bogus web sites referencing the same nick name, and Wikipedia editors bought it?
When I heard that, I realized that the null sec zealots will game anything to meet their agenda, which is to wipe out high sec, which in turn means a lower sub base. So sorry, I don't believe what I read from Wikipedia.
And CCP is usually not forthcoming with current sub rates. If they had the guts to post monthly sub rates, that would be a very useful tool for the forum warriors, and would eliminate a ton of false information, on both sides of the argument.
So use one of the other dosen results from a google search if you feel wiki is not for you. Or look through CCPs twitter feed, where they go on about all sorts of numbers.
Also lol at 0.0 want to kill high sec. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9673
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:29:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Wikipedia...a source of solid information....LOL. No. PCWorld, quoting official CCP statements. Lern2Source.
Destiny Corrupted wrote:baltec1 wrote:Population wise EVE is just as healthy as in 2011. Average population is around 40- 45k on a night which is a good recovery pace. Negative. When I emulate the PCU graph and integrate the average, it's actually in the upper 23,000s. The peak is certainly above 40,000, but that's the peak, which happens at 18:00 EVE (14:00 EST). When I take the "all time" data and shove a trendline between mid-2009 and now, the player count remains static. GǪand you're also answering a completely different question that doesn't in any way negate what baltec said.
Population-wise, EVE is just as healthy as in 2011, and right now we're seeing a consistent 1,500 higher PCUs than the same day last year which is a good recovery on top of the recovery the game saw last year as Crucible information started to leak out. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No. PCWorld, quoting official CCP statements. Lern2Source.
Since you're being petty about citations, I'll just note that the article quotes no official statement on this issue.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9674
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:49:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Since you're being petty about citations, I'll just note that the article quotes no official statement on this issue. So go look through the presentations yourself. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
939
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:baltec1 wrote:Population wise EVE is just as healthy as in 2011. Average population is around 40- 45k on a night which is a good recovery pace. Negative. When I emulate the PCU graph and integrate the average, it's actually in the upper 23,000s. The peak is certainly above 40,000, but that's the peak, which happens at 18:00 EVE (14:00 EST). When I take the "all time" data and shove a trendline between mid-2009 and now, the player count remains static. GǪand you're also answering a completely different question that doesn't in any way negate what baltec said. Population-wise, EVE is just as healthy as in 2011, and right now we're seeing a consistent 1,500 higher PCUs than the same day last year which is a good recovery on top of the recovery the game saw last year as Crucible information started to leak out. This depends entirely on how we choose to lie with statistics. I assume you're also looking at Chribba's site. However, as the time frame becomes shorter, it's more difficult to simply eyeball it. The timeframes I used were from mid-2009 and end-2009 to now. It could very well be that EVE has grown, in both subs and player count, in the past year; I'm not arguing against that at all. I am arguing that as far as the past three years are concerned, there's been a decline. Also, simply comparing numbers one year ago and today will present a very incomplete, convoluted picture. If we turn the clock back just three months, you will see that the player count this year is short somewhere in the vicinity of 2,500 players compared to the last.
The important thing to know about recoveries is that you don't know they happened until quite a bit of time after the fact. It's true here, it's true on Wall Street, and it's true when you suddenly find yourself no longer buying the dry ramen, and going for the brand name pork-and-beans instead. Just because you got a pay check this week, doesn't mean that your finances are suddenly secure.
The EVE "depression" could have have ended late 2011, but we won't know for a few more months/years. If I had to bet my money on it as a trader, though, I would bet against it. I have my reasons, but it's not for my lack of love of the game. I've been feeding CCP's children for over eight years now.
PS: I think we derailed the OP's terrible thread. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
89
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:57:00 -
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Perramas wrote:baltec1 wrote:*snap*
The money to pay for devs? We all know there are a large number of EVE players who have an active subscription who do not play as opposed to those who do actively play. Those players next step is to cancel and walk away after they get tired of only logging in to change skills to train. Currently I'm on hybernation.. got 2 accs since 2005, one lapses since last year and the one I can post on is subbed. Doesn't look like I'll have much time anyway, but investing some small money into CCP for the future might not be that bad.. chances are its better invested as in some projects on Kickstarter |
Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1472
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:00:00 -
[44] - Quote
If the OP is really done with Eve, they should biomass all their characters. Rule #1 of wormholes: Bookmark everything, especially your exit.
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baltec1
Bat Country
2315
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:01:00 -
[45] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:If the OP is really done with Eve, they should biomass all their characters.
Given the OP is a day old I dont think much would be lost |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9674
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:05:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:This depends entirely on how we choose to lie with statistics. Not really. It depends on what question we're trying to answer. His claim was that there has been a recovery since 2011; you tried to dispute this by saying that the average over the last three years is flat or going downGǪ except that the average over the last three years tells us nothing about how this year compares to the last.
Quote:I assume you're also looking at Chribba's site. However, as the time frame becomes shorter, it's more difficult to simply eyeball it. That's why I'm not eyeballing it. I'm using daily collected PCU stats.
Quote:The timeframes I used were from mid-2009 and end-2009 to now. It could very well be that EVE has grown, in both subs and player count, in the past year; I'm not arguing against that at all. Then maybe you should go fix your post because it's pretty much exactly what you're doing. He's claiming GÇ£Population wise EVE is just as healthy as in 2011. Average population is around 40- 45k on a night which is a good recovery pace.GÇ¥ to which you respond GÇ£Negative.GÇ¥ and then quote a completely different range of data to support this objection.
Quote:The important thing to know about recoveries is that you don't know they happened until quite a bit of time after the fact. GǪand we're now a long time after the fact. The recovery after Incarna started the first week in October last year, curiously (as in Gǣnot curiously at allGǥ) coinciding with the first news about Crucible and the turn-around in focus it represented. In the weeks before that, the catastrophic population bleed had been stopped by the mea-culpa letter from CCP. And right now, numbers are oscillating around 1,500 more than last yearGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1472
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:06:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:If the OP is really done with Eve, they should biomass all their characters. Given the OP is a day old I dont think much would be lost
ahh I read their post and took it at face value, day old alt screams disgruntled bittervet who's afraid to post on their main because of all the howls of laughter if they did.
Rule #1 of wormholes: Bookmark everything, especially your exit.
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:08:00 -
[48] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Malphilos wrote:Since you're being petty about citations, I'll just note that the article quotes no official statement on this issue. So go look through the presentations yourself.
Now that's something entirely different, isn't it?
I'm not doubting the number, just your mistaken citation. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2315
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:14:00 -
[49] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Tippia wrote:Malphilos wrote:Since you're being petty about citations, I'll just note that the article quotes no official statement on this issue. So go look through the presentations yourself. Now that's something entirely different, isn't it? I'm not doubting the number, just your mistaken citation.
A citation which is correct? |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
154
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:14:00 -
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Xanadu Farsight wrote:Solo PvP is dead, i spend hours looking for solo kills That may be, but if you roam around lowsec in a AF, you might find the random person who wants a fightsmall gang pvp? don't be stupid, u engage a gang the same size as yours and you get blobbed in minutes It happens more than you thinkSov warfare? lol, CCP made is easy for you, bring back the days of bm's and warp to 15 They implemented WTZ because everyone had the same bookmarks and it made the servers **** their pantscapital ships has ruined eve online pvp, before them, we had real pvp, not this hot dropping nonsense Hotdrops mostly occur when the target is worth the risk (I.E. Multiple people)mineral prices have crashed, makes having a high sec mining alt to fund pvp, pointless Crashed? No. Try Tritanium for 7 ISK a unitIncursions? wtg CCP, make level 4's pointless and drive people out of null Incursions aren't as good as doing sanctums all day25k pilots online? what a joke. i remember there being 100k online before CCP screwed this game up It gets to 50K+ on sundays
You obviously know nothing
-GêP/10 I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9674
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:14:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Now that's something entirely different, isn't it? No. I was there, I heard the number, and so did they. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
116
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:32:00 -
[52] - Quote
I bet OP plays Pandas. A narrow mind is a focused mind. |
Fish Alabel
A Big Enough Lever Numquam Ambulare Solus
0
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:35:00 -
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Xanadu Farsight wrote:Im done and thanks for all the fish
Np |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
939
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Not really. It depends on what question we're trying to answer. His claim was that there has been a recovery since 2011; you tried to dispute this by saying that the average over the last three years is flat or going downGǪ except that the average over the last three years tells us nothing about how this year compares to the last. His claim was that subs are more important as a metric than the player count, which I disputed.
Tippia wrote:That's why I'm not eyeballing it. I'm using daily collected PCU stats. And like I said, if we move the clock back just a quarter of a year and take into account the last 15 months, the picture becomes much more bleak. I'd still like to get raw data for this so I can properly analyze it, but I don't know where I can get it.
Tippia wrote:Then maybe you should go fix your post because it's pretty much exactly what you're doing. He's claiming GÇ£Population wise EVE is just as healthy as in 2011. Average population is around 40- 45k on a night which is a good recovery pace.GÇ¥ to which you respond GÇ£Negative.GÇ¥ and then quote a completely different range of data to support this objection. He claimed that the average population is around 40-45 thousand; which was met with my disagreement. I then provided a three-year running outlook to assert that the player count has been on plateau/in decline over the past few years, which when compared to the increase in total subscriptions, supported my earlier claim that people are either getting more alts or becoming less interested in the game, both of which are contrary to the very concept of recovery. But at no point did I rule out the possibility of recovery in the short term, or a long-term recovery which began only recently. I did say that I would personally bet against it, but that was just that; a personal opinion. As much as I love locking wits with you, you're attacking an argument I simply never made.
Tippia wrote:and we're now a long time after the fact. The recovery after Incarna started the first week in October last year, curiously (as in Gǣnot curiously at allGǥ) coinciding with the first news about Crucible and the turn-around in focus it represented. In the weeks before that, the catastrophic population bleed had been stopped by the mea-culpa letter from CCP. And right now, numbers are oscillating around 1,500 more than last yearGǪ This would go against everything that I've been taught about economics. I could have been taught wrongly, or the recovery theories might be wrong, but once again, if I had to bet my own money, I would go against counting at most a year of positive data as proof of recovery. Statistically, the higher your sample count, the more objective of an answer you can give. If we stick with the one-year comparison you insist on, and let's say by December the numbers will be oscillating around 2,500 less than last year, then your argument breaks apart, even if I turn out to also be wrong, if for example 2014 rolls around and we see that the game's population had a decent double-digit percentage increase compared to Apocrypha's release.
I have to go now, but we can argue some more if this thread is still alive in a few hours. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Rache Bartmoss
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
0
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:47:00 -
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Perramas wrote:Xanadu Farsight wrote:25k pilots online? what a joke. i remember there being 100k online before CCP screwed this game up EVE has never had 100k people online at the same time before. Only good games have those kinds of numbers, EVE being a terrible game that is getting worse has broke 60k only a couple of times before starting its long slow slide to irrelevance.
No other game has this amount of people on a single server... and if there is another game... my apologies, it is still bloody impressive. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9674
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:51:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:He claimed that the average population is around 40-45 thousand; which was met with my disagreement. Ok, fair enough, I read it as Gǣaverage PCUGǥ becauseGǪ wellGǪ that's what the average PCU is, and you interpreted it as meaning the daily average.
Quote:This would go against everything that I've been taught about economics. I could have been taught wrongly, or the recovery theories might be wrong, but once again, if I had to bet my own money, I would go against counting at most a year of positive data as proof of recovery. Again, since the question is recovery since last year and the horrendous collapse that happened after Incursion and Incarna, it's what we have and what we can count. So far, things are recovering compared to the combined low-point after those two dips. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Josef Djugashvilis
619
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Posted - 2012.10.01 17:01:00 -
[57] - Quote
Xanadu Farsight wrote:Hello o/ Ive been here since 03 and i think it's finally time to call it a day. EvE Online has become a cess pit of trolls, grief corps and idiot alliances who are very slowly screwing EvE into the ground. It has become obsessive behavior from CEOS, paranoid ceos, and paranoid alliance heads jumping at every shadow. Solo PvP is dead, i spend hours looking for solo kills small gang pvp? don't be stupid, u engage a gang the same size as yours and you get blobbed in minutes Sov warfare? lol, CCP made is easy for you, bring back the days of bm's and warp to 15 capital ships has ruined eve online pvp, before them, we had real pvp, not this hot dropping nonsense mineral prices have crashed, makes having a high sec mining alt to fund pvp, pointless Incursions? wtg CCP, make level 4's pointless and drive people out of null 25k pilots online? what a joke. i remember there being 100k online before CCP screwed this game up Bottom line is, im done, ive had enough, this game used to be amazing and now its crap, ccp just dumb it down, year after year. At this point id prefer to play GW2 or wow than this, ive had 6 accounts all the way, everyone is over 140mil sp. 68 billion isk across 6 accounts no, u cant have my stuff as im giving it all to my rl mate If eve is still here in 2 years, ill be suprised
Put some really, really long skills on to train, take a break, then hopefully you will come back refreshed and full of enthusiasm again. I took the wrong turn years ago. |
De'Veldrin
NerdHerd En Garde
388
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Posted - 2012.10.01 17:04:00 -
[58] - Quote
@ OP
My signature was directed specifically at people like you. Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Josef Djugashvilis
619
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Posted - 2012.10.01 17:06:00 -
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lanyaie wrote:I for all of the eve community would like to congratulate you for quitting as that is most likely why you are creating a post about it.
Once you actually decide to quit you will know that you won't waste your time creating a post about, get laughed at by everyone as no one cares how long you've been playing eve and how much isk you have.
If any of the actual players that quit did decide to create a thread about it GD would have quite a few pages but not to worry our IQ average simply goes up for everyone that quits.
If I quit, the rest of you would be eligible for Mensa. I took the wrong turn years ago. |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
68
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Posted - 2012.10.01 17:48:00 -
[60] - Quote
Xanadu Farsight wrote:Hello o/ Ive been here since 03 and i think it's finally time to call it a day. EvE Online has become a cess pit of trolls, grief corps and idiot alliances who are very slowly screwing EvE into the ground. It has become obsessive behavior from CEOS, paranoid ceos, and paranoid alliance heads jumping at every shadow. Solo PvP is dead, i spend hours looking for solo kills small gang pvp? don't be stupid, u engage a gang the same size as yours and you get blobbed in minutes Sov warfare? lol, CCP made is easy for you, bring back the days of bm's and warp to 15 capital ships has ruined eve online pvp, before them, we had real pvp, not this hot dropping nonsense mineral prices have crashed, makes having a high sec mining alt to fund pvp, pointless Incursions? wtg CCP, make level 4's pointless and drive people out of null 25k pilots online? what a joke. i remember there being 100k online before CCP screwed this game up Bottom line is, im done, ive had enough, this game used to be amazing and now its crap, ccp just dumb it down, year after year. At this point id prefer to play GW2 or wow than this, ive had 6 accounts all the way, everyone is over 140mil sp. 68 billion isk across 6 accounts no, u cant have my stuff as im giving it all to my rl mate If eve is still here in 2 years, ill be suprised I can't agree more, im fixing to do the same, eve is full of doodoo children and people afraid of losing solo pvp fights so blob warfare is the way to go....anyway troll monkeys infest forums and no i am gonna blow everything up and delete everything else.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1748
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Posted - 2012.10.01 17:52:00 -
[61] - Quote
Why can't people just quit without coming onto a forum to spew garbage all over the place? Do people really do this with every game they quit playing? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4535
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Posted - 2012.10.01 17:56:00 -
[62] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Why can't people just quit without coming onto a forum to spew garbage all over the place? Do people really do this with every game they quit playing? They don't actually want to quit, they just want someone to talk them back from the edge and help them enjoy the game. I suppose the psychology behind it is similar to someone who calls 911 during a suicide attempt, they don't really want to do it, they just want help.
The key difference of course is that this is just a video game, and I don't think many people care enough to talk someone out of ending their video game life versus ending their real life, especially in a game like this where someone who asks for help like that is largely considered weak for doing so and not worth the effort. Its good to be Gallente. |
Telegram Sam
389
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Posted - 2012.10.01 18:44:00 -
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If/when I quit, first I'm going to get podded and downgrade my clone to Alpha. Then get podded again, so I lose all my SP. That ought to stop me from coming back. Yeah. I think that would work, probably. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4536
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Posted - 2012.10.01 18:50:00 -
[64] - Quote
I think something fun to do if I ever quit would be to reprocess everything I owned at the time back into raw minerals, load as much as I could on the largest industrial I could afford/fly, pick a direction, and fly until I get blown up. Its good to be Gallente. |
Alice Saki
8438
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Posted - 2012.10.01 18:53:00 -
[65] - Quote
Meh too Many Trolls.... I'm quitting too
My Stuff?
Goes to Me :D Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Shaera Taam
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
42
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Posted - 2012.10.02 04:50:00 -
[66] - Quote
can i haz--
y'know, nevermind
i dont want your stuff. its all old from '03 and probably stinks of whine
good bye
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess! |
Shaera Taam
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
42
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Posted - 2012.10.02 04:52:00 -
[67] - Quote
Telegram Sam wrote:If/when I quit, first I'm going to get podded and downgrade my clone to Alpha. Then get podded again, so I lose all my SP. That ought to stop me from coming back. Yeah. I think that would work, probably.
oooh, that is an awesome idea! show's a true dedication to quitting!
when the time is right for me to quit, i might do the same... i refuse to be a half-ass quitter!
;D
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess! |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
89
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Posted - 2012.10.02 05:08:00 -
[68] - Quote
Shaera Taam wrote:Telegram Sam wrote:If/when I quit, first I'm going to get podded and downgrade my clone to Alpha. Then get podded again, so I lose all my SP. That ought to stop me from coming back. Yeah. I think that would work, probably. oooh, that is an awesome idea! show's a true dedication to quitting! when the time is right for me to quit, i might do the same... i refuse to be a half-ass quitter! ;D You only lose the highest level (and I think not even fully) of one of your highest skills, if your clone doesn't cover your SP. So, depending on your SP this might take longer than you expect.. I suggest to delete the character from your account instead.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1769
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Posted - 2012.10.02 07:01:00 -
[69] - Quote
Did someone just wake up today and decide to make a ragequit thread full of the same old tired complaints and platitudes? Is there a template for this?
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Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
14
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Posted - 2012.10.02 07:03:00 -
[70] - Quote
What have you done to make EVE a better place |
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
241
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Posted - 2012.10.02 07:05:00 -
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Souisa wrote:What have you done to make EVE a better place
I slayed a dragon |
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ISD Dosnix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
12
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Posted - 2012.10.02 07:56:00 -
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Thread locked to massive trolling and off-topic posts! Enjoy the rest of our forums, this thread is down!
Have a nice day, ISD Dosnix ISD Dosnix Lieutenant Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department |
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