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DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.02 12:01:00 -
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I used to fly the tengu a lot, but because of the incomming nerf I'm looking for a new mission-ship. (Lv4 highsec)
Possible candidates (for me):
- Raven -> Navy Raven or Golem
- Maelstrom -> Vargur
- Machariel
Do you have any other suggestions or comments? Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
Paikis
Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2012.10.02 12:03:00 -
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Nightmare Dominix Navy Issue Rattlesnake
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DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
401
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Posted - 2012.10.02 12:05:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Nightmare Dominix Navy Issue Rattlesnake
Nightmare is a good option for me (gank above tank)
Navy domi and rattler have too much tank and too little dps for my taste. Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations Kraken.
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Posted - 2012.10.02 12:37:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Paikis wrote:Nightmare Dominix Navy Issue Rattlesnake
Nightmare is a good option for me (gank above tank) Navy domi and rattler have too much tank and too little dps for my taste.
I can get over 1400 dps combined with guns/drones on my Navy Domi
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DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.02 13:16:00 -
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Cryissa wrote:DeBingJos wrote:Paikis wrote:Nightmare Dominix Navy Issue Rattlesnake
Nightmare is a good option for me (gank above tank) Navy domi and rattler have too much tank and too little dps for my taste. I can get over 1400 dps combined with guns/drones on my Navy Domi
Interesting, Can you share your fit? Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
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Posted - 2012.10.02 13:41:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:I used to fly the tengu a lot, but because of the incomming nerf I'm looking for a new mission-ship. (Lv4 highsec) Possible candidates (for me):
- Raven -> Navy Raven or Golem
- Maelstrom -> Vargur
- Machariel
Do you have any other suggestions or comments? Just got rid of my tengu.
Right now I use. Golem Vargur Machariel.
The bottom two are awesome if you have good to maxed gunnery. The Mach is suppose to have more gank than the Var, not enough to matter. The Var can salvage as it goes, I will not come back in a noct. Better things to do. I just skip the loot in the Mach and lose considerable income. If you have the ISK and SP get one of each. Variety makes it so much more interesting. Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient. Nerf it cause I can't fly it. I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
680
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Posted - 2012.10.02 13:44:00 -
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I use a Paladin too. Wasn't bad when it was my only missioner. Try to rotate it with the 3 above and you'll pool out your hair. Don't even waist your time with Kronos. In fact unless you want to be an AFK drone pilot skip Gallente all together.
Word is AFK drone pilots are getting nerfed too. Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient. Nerf it cause I can't fly it. I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
401
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Posted - 2012.10.02 14:07:00 -
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Lord Ryan wrote:I use a Paladin too. Wasn't bad when it was my only missioner. Try to rotate it with the 3 above and you'll pull out your hair. Don't even waist your time with Kronos. In fact unless you want to be an AFK drone pilot skip Gallente all together.
Word is AFK drone pilots are getting nerfed too.
I don't AFK so that is the least of my concern. Mission completion time is the deciding factor for me. I hate missioning so I want to spend as little time as possible. ( I just need isk because I suck at pvp ) Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2012.10.02 14:58:00 -
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Mach is already much, much better than a Tengu for all around use. If you want a single ship to shoot for you probably shouldn't look any further.
NDomi can indeed push out ridiculous damage and also has the side benefit of extremely good damage application -- but it's immobile doing it.
Nightmare has great damage projection but limited damage types. Otherwise solid though sloooow.
I'd say those are your top choices at the moment, though a CNR is always an option. |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
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Posted - 2012.10.02 15:19:00 -
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Paladin CNR Nightmare Legion NDomi
Those have been the fastest for me so far. I do not have Minnie trained up enough for 4's. -The Domi is exactly how Zhilia states it above. Great tank, Insane gank, sloow. -Nightmare is some of the best gank but limited on damage type (but for my missions its not too big a deal), and weakest tank of the group. -CNR is decent, but I think will be top of the food chain again after the update if they put in the proposed TC / TE changes. -Legion... I do amazingly well in missions with my legion. I go through them rapidly, and rarely have any issue with them (sometimes ecms can be a bit annoying). But most don't seem to like it, so personal choice I guess. -Paladin. I like my pally. its very similar to the Nighmare, although it has better tank and can salvage as it goes. Its not the greatest of the golems but I do feel its underrated.
Mach from all I have heard is the current king of the hill. Vargur also comes highly recommended. I can not pilot either though, so will keep my opinion to myself there. ;)
P.S.: I think people selling their Tengu's atm are making a mistake. I do not think it is going to be reduced in ability nearly as much as some people are complaining. |
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Songbird
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Posted - 2012.10.02 16:09:00 -
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do incursions in a nightmare - better isk , fly in a group
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Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
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Posted - 2012.10.02 18:19:00 -
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If your gun and shield skills are decent, the Machariel is a monster. I recently graduated from the Maelstrom, and the kill speed (and speed in general) is noticeable. She chews through ammo like a whale through krill, but it's a small price to pay for high performance. Tracking is good enough at distance to nail frigates as they burn closer, and even fighting in falloff the damage to harder targets is significant. XLSB II patches things up on the rare occasion there are enough targets to chew down the shield. But I was just running a mission the other night against Angels, and even simultaneously taking half a dozen Machs with a dozen Arch cruisers was only enough to make me mildly concerned.
I've never missioned elsewhere with it, but in Minmatar space, it kills things good. |
Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2012.10.02 23:20:00 -
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Navy Raven with Fury cruise is good all round, 800+ dps with implants, excluding drone dps. Fury cruise even get a boost in christmas patch if changes go through as they are now (dps and explosion radius boost). After the christmas patch one could get around 1000 dps with implants and 3 sentries. Not too shabby.
Downsides: - need to cycle a target painter against sub BS targets. - easy to get wasted missile volleys |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.10.02 23:41:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:I used to fly the tengu a lot, but because of the incomming nerf I'm looking for a new mission-ship. (Lv4 highsec) Possible candidates (for me):
- Raven -> Navy Raven or Golem
- Maelstrom -> Vargur
- Machariel
Do you have any other suggestions or comments? MWD Mach is great for blitzing level 4s. The Mach's agility is a noticeable plus if you've ever had to wait on a wallowing pig of marauder to align.
Vargur is good if you want to loot/salvage, want an easy tank, etc..
Golem is Meh. I can't recommend it.
CNR is good if you can't be bothered to train up T2 guns.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
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loki energon
Voodoo Children Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.03 03:00:00 -
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the upcoming buff to HAMs range could make my HAC alot more dangerous, and the PVE possibilties for my sacrilege look promising. kill em all. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
600
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Posted - 2012.10.03 03:08:00 -
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there are only really 3 ships worth considering:
Nightmare Machariel Golem |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
401
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Posted - 2012.10.03 06:32:00 -
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Thanks for all the feedback.
I have decided to take the maelstrom -> Mach route. I can already fly the thing I just need to find the isk. Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2012.10.03 10:30:00 -
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Note that the Mach (and all Angels ships) are probably next in line for a nerf, one of the DEVS apologised for making it OP in the first place and hinted at changes. Then, with the unguided missiles/TC buff in mind, the Golem might become a powerhouse. Right now it's annoying to use due to needing tons of TPs (that won't really change too much) and having range issues.
To answer the OP's question: That depends on where you generally do missions. If you're in Amarr space then a Nightmare or Paladin are great, outside Amarr space they "suck" due to damage types. Would you do mission in gall space then you're kinda forced to use pulses but when you load Scorch you mostly do EM damage which is crap against Serp. against Guristas it's gonna be crap whichever way you look at it because thermal is secondary damage type against Guristas and it's also your secondary so it'll be crap too.
Best allround atm is the Mach (but again, expect it to be nerfed) and the Vargur and possibly (with upcoming changes) the Golem, also you can't really go wrong with a CNR apart from it being boring as fck. If you stick to specific faction space then the answer will be different. Amat victoria curam. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
115
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Posted - 2012.10.03 10:44:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Note that the Mach (and all Angels ships) are probably next in line for a nerf, one of the DEVS apologised for making it OP in the first place and hinted at changes.
Is it info from any dev blog or dev forum thread or just rumors?
I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2012.10.03 10:55:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Thanks for all the feedback.
I have decided to take the maelstrom -> Mach route. I can already fly the thing I just need to find the isk.
The Mael's a good stepping-stone. Just remember that it tanks like a brick smokehouse and moves about as fast, but if you're willing to swap a full artillery rack and a full autocannon rack depending on the hostiles you're planning to face, it'll take on just about anything, from in-your-face Angels and mercs to 50-klick-kiting Guristas. (It's good to have some spare parts for mission-specific tank switch-outs as well.)
(And maybe a DC II until you get a feel for how the ship handles.) |
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
188
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Posted - 2012.10.03 11:23:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:Note that the Mach (and all Angels ships) are probably next in line for a nerf, one of the DEVS apologised for making it OP in the first place and hinted at changes. Is it info from any dev blog or dev forum thread or just rumors?
Think it was Ytterbium (but could be wrong) in one of the balancing threads to being the one to blame for the Mach's ridiculous falloff and that it would get "looked at" at some point. Was posted 2 weeks ago or something, sorry no link. Amat victoria curam. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
115
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Posted - 2012.10.03 11:33:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Think it was Ytterbium (but could be wrong) in one of the balancing threads to being the one to blame for the Mach's ridiculous falloff and that it would get "looked at" at some point. Was posted 2 weeks ago or something, sorry no link.
Oh, ok thanks. Although probably Mach will stay untouched until tiercide of BS class so I will keep it as my current goal for L4s. Right now I fly mael like OP and I'm only 6 days of training from Mach but unfortunately 800 mil short to buy one :) And probably I will be able to fly Vargur before I collect those 800 mils (right now 55days of training to sit in Varg). Not that marouder is much cheaper or better than Mach, just rambling... I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
401
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Posted - 2012.10.03 11:36:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Right now I fly mael like OP and I'm only 6 days of training from Mach but unfortunately 800 mil short to buy one :) And probably I will be able to fly Vargur before I collect those 800 mils (right now 55days of training to sit in Varg). Not that marouder is much cheaper or better than Mach, just rambling...
In in the same position as you. Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
115
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Posted - 2012.10.03 11:38:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Right now I fly mael like OP and I'm only 6 days of training from Mach but unfortunately 800 mil short to buy one :) And probably I will be able to fly Vargur before I collect those 800 mils (right now 55days of training to sit in Varg). Not that marouder is much cheaper or better than Mach, just rambling... In in the same position as you.
Do you also salvage in a thrasher named "noctis" just to have an illusion of being pro L4s runner? :)
I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
401
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Posted - 2012.10.03 12:41:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:DeBingJos wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Right now I fly mael like OP and I'm only 6 days of training from Mach but unfortunately 800 mil short to buy one :) And probably I will be able to fly Vargur before I collect those 800 mils (right now 55days of training to sit in Varg). Not that marouder is much cheaper or better than Mach, just rambling... In in the same position as you. Do you also salvage in a thrasher named "noctis" just to have an illusion of being pro L4s runner? :)
I'm not a pro mission runner, I just do it to make some isk. And what is this salvaging you speak of ? Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
115
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Posted - 2012.10.03 12:48:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Do you also salvage in a thrasher named "noctis" just to have an illusion of being pro L4s runner? :) I'm not a pro mission runner, I just do it to make some isk. And what is this salvaging you speak of ?
I'm not sure myself but for some reason after missions with a lot of BS something tells me to go there and point sparkly beams of white light at wrecks. Maybe it's just a surge in mah implants? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
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