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Gorn Arming
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.03 19:25:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Tippia wrote:Yes there are. Two, in fact. And they're completely ******* terrible. Dog **** would literally represent high-sec better. So don't vote for morons next time? |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
344
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Posted - 2012.10.03 19:26:00 -
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Wow, no one remembers the highsec dream CSM member Ankh?
Feel free to google this later but Ankh basically spammed high sec trade hubs to get tons of votes and got onto the CSM. In short order Ankh went completely berserk, ranting and raving at CCP and everyone else within reach, lying in real life about how she worked on the CCP development team and then breaking the NDA which got her kicked off the CSM.
So there will not be many high sec CSMs because the one you had was such a horrible disaster. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
681
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Posted - 2012.10.03 19:26:00 -
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Imports Plus wrote:Your prophets have forsaken you Highsec.. Which is too bad because of all the potential trolling opportunities. Nothing Found |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
321
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Posted - 2012.10.03 19:28:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:99% of the things that affect nullsec and lowsec in a positive way will also be beneficial to highsec players
You just threw out a random % number - what does this even mean? Can you at least give some examples? "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
2878
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Posted - 2012.10.03 19:31:00 -
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I too would like an answer to this question.
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highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
337
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Posted - 2012.10.03 19:33:00 -
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Posting in another thread by an alt trying to act like they didn't know all the CSM were not high sec in order to try and get their rhetorical point across
If people in high sec want a representative, they need to nominate and elect one. Its not like there is a no highsec rule. The problem is most high sec players are casual players and could care less about CSM. The ones that do care are too few and far between to get someone elected.
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1266
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Posted - 2012.10.03 19:33:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I too would like an answer to this question. James 315 for CSM!
Said it before, will say it again. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
8
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:10:00 -
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I'll run for CSM, maybe. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
318
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:25:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I too would like an answer to this question.
Someone who griefs in high sec is hardly a representative of high sec. That is the equivalent of suggesting some goon who spams Jita local all day and scams noobs is a high sec member.
Your stated purpose is to wipe out high sec. I have lost count of the manifestos you have posted regarding your griefing of miners. Nonetheless, I expect, you will get a ton of votes if you ran, based on every goon being TOLD to vote for you with their alts. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1270
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:28:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:James 315 wrote:I too would like an answer to this question. Someone who griefs in high sec is hardly a representative of high sec. That is the equivalent of suggesting some goon who spams Jita local all day and scams noobs is a high sec member. Your stated purpose is to wipe out high sec. I have lost count of the manifestos you have posted regarding your griefing of miners. Nonetheless, I expect, you will get a ton of votes if you ran, based on every goon being TOLD to vote for you with their alts. It was my understanding that James 315 ran a largely non-violent campaign of miner bumping.
How will this wipe out high-sec?
Morale there must be really, really low... He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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D'Om K'vash
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:30:00 -
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people say it's high sec peoples fault for not voting but that is an uneducated statement and naive, in that the alliance blocks have multiple accounts, that they afford by being some of the older players with most isk. they use these multiple accounts and isk they have in game to rig elections. There is a reason there is an alliance called "your vote doesn't count" I'm all for goons high sec ganking characters having a say in the discussion but my point is that there is no discussion right now. It's goons and their alts and allies yelling over the top of everyone else. "NO this is the way it has to be!"
And the one mechinism for players to be heard directly by ccp (CSM) is all null sec alliance members and one wh member.. which I'm sure does not represent the overall player base. I don't know the numbers but i highly doube 90% of people live in null sec.
I propose that ccp make it so that there are allotted positions for the various things in eve. Null, fw, high sec, pirating, ect ect.. and ccp should monitor who is linked to theses accounts so that goons cant just take one of their members other accounts and have it falsely represent a portion of the game they don't care about.
Also to say that null people have more invested in game is a bad argument. Why should my subscription be worth any less.. I have to actually pay for mine because i'm not in a null sec allinace with hundreds of trillions of iks so taht i can just buy plex with my account. New players and high sec care bears that enjoy that part of the game should receive a voice. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1270
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:34:00 -
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D'Om K'vash wrote:people say it's high sec peoples fault for not voting but that is an uneducated statement and naive, in that the alliance blocks have multiple accounts, that they afford by being some of the older players with most isk. they use these multiple accounts and isk they have in game to rig elections. There is a reason there is an alliance called "your vote doesn't count" I'm all for goons high sec ganking characters having a say in the discussion but my point is that there is no discussion right now. It's goons and their alts and allies yelling over the top of everyone else. "NO this is the way it has to be!"
And the one mechinism for players to be heard directly by ccp (CSM) is all null sec alliance members and one wh member.. which I'm sure does not represent the overall player base. I don't know the numbers but i highly doube 90% of people live in null sec.
I propose that ccp make it so that there are allotted positions for the various things in eve. Null, fw, high sec, pirating, ect ect.. and ccp should monitor who is linked to theses accounts so that goons cant just take one of their members other accounts and have it falsely represent a portion of the game they don't care about.
Also to say that null people have more invested in game is a bad argument. Why should my subscription be worth any less.. I have to actually pay for mine because i'm not in a null sec allinace with hundreds of trillions of iks so taht i can just buy plex with my account. New players and high sec care bears that enjoy that part of the game should receive a voice.
So you want a CSM for every profession then? What's wrong with just organizing high-sec voters to vote?
Why on earth does CCP have to do everything "for the sake of high-sec?"
Goons have managed to get their guys in every time.
So high-sec players aren't as good at organizing as Goons are. Why is that CCP's problem again? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
320
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:41:00 -
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And frankly, all the null sec zealots are correct on this one. The high sec group, while being the largest demographic by an enormous margin, is not organized at all.
And given that such a small percentage of high sec even bothers to read the forums it is pretty much pointless,especially given the dictatorships that make up the goons, test, PL, -A-, etc have the ability to marshall their voters so, so much easier than high sec.
Further, it is abundantly clear through CCP's actions (destruction of meta 0 items in missions, destruction of incursions, destruction of datacore farming, gloating about burn Jita and Hulkageddon and using them as marketing tools, now the destruction of drones in high sec missioning) that CCP has a significant element within that sympathize with the null sec zealots.
Within 4 more more releases (2 years), high sec will not exist if the zealots have their way, inside and outside of CCP. The only thing that will stop them is the subscription numbers. If the subs drop too much, then the null sec zealots might be forced to stop their unrelenting attack on high sec. Otherwise, the game in high sec will be unrecognizable within 2 years.
I now await the cheering from the null sec propaganda team stating "it can't happen fast enough".
The bottom line is that the null sec zealots can't conquer high sec under the current game mechanics, hence their pathological need to wipe out the current mechanics and replace them with mechanics that they want, ones that allow them to subjugate EVERY Eve player. |
D'Om K'vash
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:42:00 -
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Because you can't trust that someone running in high sec isn't just a goon alt. You know if you're a goon and a goon guy is running he is a goon. Same for pandemic legion and any other null alliance. If a high sec person runs you have no assurance that that character is not just a goon who has 10 accounts. We are not the alliance of high sec, and there are no assurances that someone running is actually a high sec player. If a high sec member came out and said i'm running and ccp verified that that player didn't also have an account that was in a null sec alliance then we could get support for that guy. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
681
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:44:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And frankly, all the null sec zealots are correct on this one. The high sec group, while being the largest demographic by an enormous margin, is not organized at all.
And given that such a small percentage of high sec even bothers to read the forums it is pretty much pointless,especially given the dictatorships that make up the goons, test, PL, -A-, etc have the ability to marshall their voters so, so much easier than high sec.
Further, it is abundantly clear through CCP's actions (destruction of meta 0 items in missions, destruction of incursions, destruction of datacore farming, gloating about burn Jita and Hulkageddon and using them as marketing tools, now the destruction of drones in high sec missioning) that CCP has a significant element within that sympathize with the null sec zealots.
Within 4 more more releases (2 years), high sec will not exist if the zealots have their way, inside and outside of CCP. The only thing that will stop them is the subscription numbers. If the subs drop too much, then the null sec zealots might be forced to stop their unrelenting attack on high sec. Otherwise, the game in high sec will be unrecognizable within 2 years.
I now await the cheering from the null sec propaganda team stating "it can't happen fast enough".
The bottom line is that the null sec zealots can't conquer high sec under the current game mechanics, hence their pathological need to wipe out the current mechanics and replace them with mechanics that they want, ones that allow them to subjugate EVERY Eve player. Some high-quality tinfoil right there. Puff, puff, give, man! Nothing Found |
D'Om K'vash
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:47:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And frankly, all the null sec zealots are correct on this one. The high sec group, while being the largest demographic by an enormous margin, is not organized at all.
And given that such a small percentage of high sec even bothers to read the forums it is pretty much pointless,especially given the dictatorships that make up the goons, test, PL, -A-, etc have the ability to marshall their voters so, so much easier than high sec.
Further, it is abundantly clear through CCP's actions (destruction of meta 0 items in missions, destruction of incursions, destruction of datacore farming, gloating about burn Jita and Hulkageddon and using them as marketing tools, now the destruction of drones in high sec missioning) that CCP has a significant element within that sympathize with the null sec zealots.
Within 4 more more releases (2 years), high sec will not exist if the zealots have their way, inside and outside of CCP. The only thing that will stop them is the subscription numbers. If the subs drop too much, then the null sec zealots might be forced to stop their unrelenting attack on high sec. Otherwise, the game in high sec will be unrecognizable within 2 years.
I now await the cheering from the null sec propaganda team stating "it can't happen fast enough".
The bottom line is that the null sec zealots can't conquer high sec under the current game mechanics, hence their pathological need to wipe out the current mechanics and replace them with mechanics that they want, ones that allow them to subjugate EVERY Eve player.
This is my point, we don't just need a voice in csm we need someone in ccp. I mean you petition something and you get a response form gmNijapirate i mean come on. high sec players are new and in small corps so of course we arn't going to be as organized as a 5 year character living in couple thousand player alliance. It's absurd to suggest that we have to get organized like that when we can't get assurances that we wont just be putting a goon alt in. |
Robert De'Arneth
82
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:48:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And frankly, all the null sec zealots are correct on this one. The high sec group, while being the largest demographic by an enormous margin, is not organized at all.
And given that such a small percentage of high sec even bothers to read the forums it is pretty much pointless,especially given the dictatorships that make up the goons, test, PL, -A-, etc have the ability to marshall their voters so, so much easier than high sec.
Further, it is abundantly clear through CCP's actions (destruction of meta 0 items in missions, destruction of incursions, destruction of datacore farming, gloating about burn Jita and Hulkageddon and using them as marketing tools, now the destruction of drones in high sec missioning) that CCP has a significant element within that sympathize with the null sec zealots.
Within 4 more more releases (2 years), high sec will not exist if the zealots have their way, inside and outside of CCP. The only thing that will stop them is the subscription numbers. If the subs drop too much, then the null sec zealots might be forced to stop their unrelenting attack on high sec. Otherwise, the game in high sec will be unrecognizable within 2 years.
I now await the cheering from the null sec propaganda team stating "it can't happen fast enough".
The bottom line is that the null sec zealots can't conquer high sec under the current game mechanics, hence their pathological need to wipe out the current mechanics and replace them with mechanics that they want, ones that allow them to subjugate EVERY Eve player.
When a game changes so much you do not have fun you leave, I remember when WoW started to ruin their game, I went to my account, i canced it and have never went back. If EVE changes so much that the vast majority of people who play in high sec no longer have the fun they want to have they will leave in droves, I really have a feeling CCP undserstands this, just because they come to forums and whine, does not mean CCP will do what they ask. :) You should really relax man, at the end of the day it is still just a game. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1271
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:49:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And frankly, all the null sec zealots are correct on this one. The high sec group, while being the largest demographic by an enormous margin, is not organized at all.
And given that such a small percentage of high sec even bothers to read the forums it is pretty much pointless,especially given the dictatorships that make up the goons, test, PL, -A-, etc have the ability to marshall their voters so, so much easier than high sec.
Further, it is abundantly clear through CCP's actions (destruction of meta 0 items in missions, destruction of incursions, destruction of datacore farming, gloating about burn Jita and Hulkageddon and using them as marketing tools, now the destruction of drones in high sec missioning) that CCP has a significant element within that sympathize with the null sec zealots.
Within 4 more more releases (2 years), high sec will not exist if the zealots have their way, inside and outside of CCP. The only thing that will stop them is the subscription numbers. If the subs drop too much, then the null sec zealots might be forced to stop their unrelenting attack on high sec. Otherwise, the game in high sec will be unrecognizable within 2 years.
I now await the cheering from the null sec propaganda team stating "it can't happen fast enough".
The bottom line is that the null sec zealots can't conquer high sec under the current game mechanics, hence their pathological need to wipe out the current mechanics and replace them with mechanics that they want, ones that allow them to subjugate EVERY Eve player. Please explain how "null zealots" lobbied for the aggression mechanics change, or how they supported the Exhumer buff, or the CONCORD buff, or the gank insurance nerf, or the other CONCORD buff...I could go on.
No, I think if anything CCP is sending mixed signals about what they want for Eve in general, and for high-sec in particular. The day after the new Exhumers were released we got that gem from Sreegs about CCP not wanting drone boats running Eve content AFK all day. Oh really? There's a mixed signal here, somehwere. Because the ice fields are full of exactly that. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9707
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:52:00 -
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D'Om K'vash wrote:It's absurd to suggest that we have to get organized like that when we can't get assurances that we wont just be putting a goon alt in. No, it really isn't.
If you want more GÇ£highsec repsGÇ¥ in the CSM, then that's what you have to do because that's what it takes. The only question is why do you need more than you already have? What issues are being missed with the current representation?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1271
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:54:00 -
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What is it with high-sec and hand-holding?
You pick your representative, you elect them, you hope they do well.
If you organize, you can check their credentials yourselves.
What about Chribba? Don't pubbies worship that guy?
I just don't understand what's with all the willful requests for hand-holding in Eve Online.
It has no place here. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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Sheynan
Lighting the blight
71
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:55:00 -
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D'Om K'vash wrote:
This is my point, we don't just need a voice in csm we need someone in ccp. I mean you petition something and you get a response form gmNijapirate i mean come on. high sec players are new and in small corps so of course we arn't going to be as organized as a 5 year character living in couple thousand player alliance. It's absurd to suggest that we have to get organized like that when we can't get assurances that we wont just be putting a goon alt in.
Yep, it's totally absurd to ask players from highsec to organize themselves in a multiplayer game...
And, if CCP introduced the "highsec-candidate" position, how many do you think are going to vote James315 and how many some other scrub that no one knows about. He's as much of a valid highsec player as everyone else, so there is no way you could stop his election. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4957
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:03:00 -
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I'll run for CSM 8 as a highsec rep. please leave |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
251
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:06:00 -
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D'Om K'vash wrote:I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation
So why didn't the 80% of the population vote for a hisec one?
I live in hisec and voted for one the current ones, he seems to have served my interests as a hisec player just fine so far.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1520
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:06:00 -
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Sheynan wrote:D'Om K'vash wrote:It's absurd to suggest that we have to get organized like that when we can't get assurances that we wont just be putting a goon alt in. Yep, it's totally absurd to ask players from highsec to organize themselves in a multiplayer game... And, if CCP introduced the "highsec-candidate" position, how many do you think are going to vote James315 and how many some other scrub that no one knows about. He's as much of a valid highsec player as everyone else, so there is no way you could stop his election. James 315 knows a lot about the CONCORD and wardec mechanics. He's pretty damn pro at highsec. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Cpt Roghie
Deadly Shadow Clan Silent Infinity
52
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:06:00 -
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Thread of tinfoil. I say, you have all the tools you need. It's just the effort you lack. Zzzzzzzz.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
792
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:08:00 -
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James 315 should be a highsec CSM rep, because he actually understands highsec mechanics unlike the vast majority of carebears that live there. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
D'Om K'vash
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:17:00 -
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Again, it's hard to organize when you have no assurances of the candidates allegiance. If null alliance guy runs then you can be sure he will voice your opinion. If random high sec guy runs you have no idea about his allegiances or if he is just a goon alt. Thats why it's hard for high sec members to get behind a candidate. There is no way to check if that character is just a rich goon player with 10 accounts. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9707
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:24:00 -
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D'Om K'vash wrote:Again, it's hard to organize when you have no assurances of the candidates allegiance. So what? It's still what you have to do if you want to vote someone into an elected body. Everyone else who got voted in did so in spite of the same difficulties. If you can't, then that's good GÇö it means not enough people agree with your stance to get you elected.
And the question still remains: why do you need more than you already have? What issues are being missed with the current representation? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
891
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:25:00 -
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D'Om K'vash wrote: high sec players are new and in small corps so of course we arn't going to be as organized as a 5 year character living in couple thousand player alliance. There's a vast number of old guard players who've been living in highsec mining and missioning and trading away for years and years.
The problem with highsec is that the players who live there are so thoroughly mollycoddled by CONCORD and the comforts of Empire that it encourages an insular and narrow playstyle which doesn't translate well to the requirements of CSM campaigning or the responsibilities of office. That's why we tend to find that the most effective CSMs come from 0.0, whereas highsec CSMs are mostly ineffective and anonymous grey suits, nakedly self-serving, and/or batshit insane.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
891
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:32:00 -
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D'Om K'vash wrote:Again, it's hard to organize when you have no assurances of the candidates allegiance.
We have no 'assurances' that any 0.0 candidate won't get in and immediately reveal themselves as a L4 running carebear who wants CCP to delete 0.0 and ban highsec aggression. We have to evaluate the candidates and make our choices accordingly. Why should you be treated any differently?
'Oh its so hard to organise' is a red herring and you know it. It's just as hard for everyone else, but they get off their backsides and do it anyway, whilst highseccers whine and complain for big mummy CCP to hold their hands and wipe their arses for them. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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