Dezzereth
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Posted - 2005.03.21 12:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Tobiaz
Yes CCP leaves the alliances with too few tools
But NO alliances should not get it easy in 0.0 just because they are 'builders' and not PvP-ers.
EVERY carebear in 0.0 in an alliance should at least have some PvP in him/her. Either that, or stay in empire, because you can't back up your ambitions.
But everybody knows that's not the issue. The issue is that atm it's so much easier to make more money in empire. As a result every moron is now agentrunning while still under alliancebanner. And if pirates then can't resist the huge soft target they represent it's their own bloody fault.
So yes everybody got a place. And for alliance people it's NOT in empire unless they can defend themselves or the alliance has the organisation to back them up. For empire carebears it's NOT in 0.0 because there you need to have the skill to either fight or have enough brains to use some of the numerous ways to evade combat. And for builders it's NOT in alliance because it currently lacks the services so as a result they should be in empire not under alliance banner.
Every single person here posting 'SIGNED' is just another person who still doesn't get it and wants the best of both worlds.
Yes the game is flawed, yes CCP should do a better job and listen more to (intelligent) players, but NO you don't get to make money in empire and still be in an alliance.
To sum it up:
- If alliances have a hard time in empire, then leave the alliance if you still want to play in empire!!!
- If being a 0.0 alliance is not working, then don't try to be one.
- If some things in the game isn't working for you, don't come whining for CCP to change it, but find other things that are working.
You really have some good and true points made there, yet if all the Alliances would disband, because the system as it is now is not working, by maybe returning to the former "unofficial" thingie, then there wouldn't be an immediate need for CCP to look into that problem. This is not about whining, but showing that a large group of players are interested to "build" up something, in this case an empire/allaince. I admit its not a good way to show discontent or that "something has to be changed", but hopefully a way that will lead to better implementation of the alliance system.
Also, only by making CCP aware of problems (in a civilized manner would be nice) can change for the better be brought, and not by accepting defects. Miners and Industrialist that signed here, are seeing that some aspects of the game are not working as they should be - and how should they go for something else?... go PVP? do we really want Unreal or CS in Space? I think EVE would deserve better. Of course there is a lot of "dead weight" in an alliance, looking for an easy life, but not all people are that way. Also currently the major problem is that an alliance cant be self sufficient as it stands now, it needs empire. But I agree with you that an alliance in 0.0 consisting only of miners/builders is not a very good idea to say the least.
On the other hand this game is about teamwork (sadly some people make me doubt that), so imo PVPlers and non PVPlers working together should be a state we should strive for, thereby giving both an opportunity to experience what a game should be all about ... fun.
I hope you can make sense of my garbled mess I call English :-)
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