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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
615
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Posted - 2012.10.10 20:53:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Please see the dev comment: CCP Masterplan wrote: Our current thinking on this is something like:
Assisting your own corp mates* in a Limited Engagement is always legally allowed (it won't be punished per se, but you'll still inherit any W/P/S/C flags they have)
But this is still something we're discussing * Excluding NPC corps, and assisting Outlaws in high-sec
It says the opposite of what you said. If the logi inherits the p flag from the repeee then the suspect can shoot it. You do know what the p flag is?
The PvP flag refers to your Log-Off Timer. It does NOT refer to whether you can legally shoot another player.
I'll link it ass soon as the site comes back up.
*edit*
Quote:PVP Flag: This flag is activated when one player uses offensive modules against another. The initiator of the action will get a PVP flag. If the recipient is a piloted ship, then the owner of this ship will also get a PVP flag. Having this flag will prevent a ship from being removed from space if the pilot logs off. This flag functions in all areas of space. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
275
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Posted - 2012.10.10 21:07:00 -
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ok, thats ******** |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1565
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Posted - 2012.10.10 21:07:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Kult Altol wrote:So your saying "Griefing" Is a profession?
last time I checked tears didn't pay for your shiny new ship when you get concorded. Its pointless and a waste of time that just annoys the other player. And if the other player is smart he wont fall into a griefers trap. There is a reason for low and null sec, so barbarians can beat each other over the head. Believe it or not, blowing up ships can be quite profitable.... See Freighter Ganking.... (losing 500m to scoop 5b in loot is very profitable) See Old-School Exhumer ganking.... (losing a 2m destroyer to scoop 10m in modules was profitable) See Mission Baiting.... (losing the occasional frigate to scoop mission runner bling is very profitable) See Mission Boat Ganking (losing 200m to scoop officer modules dropping from a CNR is very profitable) If the other players were smart.... They wouldn't carry 10+b in goods in your freighter. They would officer fit their CNR to kill lvl 4 mission rats. They wouldn't tank their 200m isk hulk with only a civilian shield booster. They wouldn't shoot that can flipper or ninja salvagers that steals from them.... Guess what... in general, EvE is full of not-so-smart marks! Need to nerf ganking more then.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
615
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Posted - 2012.10.10 21:24:00 -
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Doddy wrote:ok, thats ********
Go Post in the Dev Blog Comments thread:
Unassailable Logistics is crap... and should NOT be implemented....
I'd personally prefer the leave it:
Quote:Assisting someone who is engaged in an LE will cause the assistor to receive a Suspect flag.
No exceptions.... This means using logistics in Highsec PvP is extremely dangerous, because anytime your opponent gets a Suspect flag, all your Logistics get a Suspect flag too!!!!
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usrevenge
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2012.10.10 23:33:00 -
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actually it will be awesome, steal a can and anyone can attack you so if you want a fight all you have to do is steal someones can. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
617
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Posted - 2012.10.11 00:22:00 -
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usrevenge wrote:actually it will be awesome, steal a can and anyone can attack you so if you want a fight all you have to do is steal someones can.
While its a good thing to make fights easier to find... its a bad thing if they are extremely unbalanced.
People typically don't willingly partake in extremely unbalanced PvP.... |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.10.11 01:16:00 -
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I swear sometimes people here have in-game tinfoil hats.
It's almost like "Aliens!" but for the Goonswarm. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1566
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Posted - 2012.10.11 01:18:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:usrevenge wrote:actually it will be awesome, steal a can and anyone can attack you so if you want a fight all you have to do is steal someones can. While its a good thing to make fights easier to find... its a bad thing if they are extremely unbalanced. People typically don't willingly partake in extremely unbalanced PvP.... No, they don't.
That's why hotdropping titans is so great ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
129
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Posted - 2012.10.11 01:27:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Kult Altol wrote:So your saying "Griefing" Is a profession?
last time I checked tears didn't pay for your shiny new ship when you get concorded. Its pointless and a waste of time that just annoys the other player. And if the other player is smart he wont fall into a griefers trap. There is a reason for low and null sec, so barbarians can beat each other over the head. Actually, griefing is against the EULA. However, ganking used to be a profitable profession just like any other, with risk and reward. So yes, it paid for the ships that got CONCORDED. You're right. You're also correct that if players use proper precaution and strategy, they won't get caught by gankers. CCP wasn't happy with this though, because a large group of players displayed incredible solidarity in their total unwillingness to adapt and take precaution.While I appreciate your sentiments for null and low-secs, high-sec is also subject to nonconsensual PVP. That does not make it grief play. Quite the opposite, it entirely justifies it within the context of the game. I'm glad we could clear this up.
Interesting that you just choose to overlook the statement that CCP made that said ganking was never intended to be profitable. That was the reason given from CCP as to why they rebalanced the mining barges.
But you like to change that and make this about what you think it should be. So you did not clear anything up just made it muddier which is par for the course in the forums. Mis information so often and repeatedly until it becomes forum fact. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |
Seniae 0n3
8
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Posted - 2012.10.11 01:39:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:usrevenge wrote:actually it will be awesome, steal a can and anyone can attack you so if you want a fight all you have to do is steal someones can. While its a good thing to make fights easier to find... its a bad thing if they are extremely unbalanced. People typically don't willingly partake in extremely unbalanced PvP....
Which serves it purpose ... don't steal in hisec or face the bigger guy. Let hisec-ers solve it themselves and ditch Concord for that part. Stealing is bad bad bad!! Thieves need their ass whooped! :) |
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
822
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Posted - 2012.10.11 01:48:00 -
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"Crime" in highsec is a type of gameplay, not a negative thing that you aren't meant to do and that needs to go away. Eliminating it is not, or at least should not be, a game design objective.
Remember guys, EVE is a game and stealing is not against the rules. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
160
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Posted - 2012.10.11 04:32:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:"Crime" in highsec is a type of gameplay, not a negative thing that you aren't meant to do and that needs to go away.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people are convinced that it is actually "against the rules" |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
232
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Posted - 2012.10.11 04:43:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:I dont know why people keep saying that smart players will find a way around it. There are only so many points of interaction between players in the game. CCP has expressly stated that with the new lock system they expect can fliping to die. In fact, go out into the game now and try and actually find a can miner. You simply cant have can flipping without can miners. Sure you have the usual cans in front of jita undock - but thats all consensual combat. So unless ccp does something to barges - there will be no getting around the lack of cans to do can flipping "smarter."
I have already thought of a way this is going to IMPROVE my can flipping fun and it took less time than it took to read this thread. You are not looking hard enough my apprentice.
Torvin Yulus wrote:YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTIG WHAT YOU DESERVE YOU GOON
YOU KNOW WHAT!
ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS TO SHOOT NOOBS WHO CANT FIGHT BACK YOU ARE SUCHG A L33T SPACE PIRATE I CANT EVEN TELL YOU HOW AWESOME YOU ARE CCP IS FINALLY MAKING A STAND AGAINST THE GRIEFERS AND THE MORONS WHO ARE RUINING EVE ONLINE AND RUINING MY GAME!
THIS IS MY GAME! I WILL NOT LET YOU RUIN IT!!!!
You sound like an idiot, and the caps do nothing to help that i promise (I live in hisec too)
If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting The Paganism Alliance
89
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Posted - 2012.10.11 08:29:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Also I want to hear the lamination of their women.
WUT
If your pvp is as elite as your Conan impersonation, I feel for you bro. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1594
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Posted - 2012.10.11 08:35:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Also I want to hear the lamination of their women. WUT If your pvp is as elite as your Conan impersonation, I feel for you bro.
His women are sliced thinly and then glued back together, typical Amarr Zealot
Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |
Denaris Aschanna
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.10.11 08:55:00 -
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Ain't y'all glad now that you kicked off such a fuss over Incarna, and how it was taking the focus away from Spaceships?
Well, congratulations.. you got what you wanted.. Miner buffs... Ganker nerfs...
Job well done I say... *slow clap*
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Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1595
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Posted - 2012.10.11 09:03:00 -
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Incarna deserved the kicking that it got, years of promises and we got a dingy $10 hotel room that was rented by the hour, but without the female company. What really got people riled though was the NEX store, it's pretentious fashion designer prices, the Gordon Geko leak and the dismissive CCP responses to subscribers concerns with reference to golden ammo.
A lot of players want WiS to succeed, to do this it must have content which is something Incarna lacked.
OP is just whining that he will have to work harder to get EZmode PvP. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5082
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Posted - 2012.10.11 09:08:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:"Crime" in highsec is a type of gameplay, not a negative thing that you aren't meant to do and that needs to go away. I'm pretty sure a lot of people are convinced that it is actually "against the rules"
"against the rules" implies that you get banned for doing it
since you don't, it's not This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
fofofofofo |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.11 09:13:00 -
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Andski wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:"Crime" in highsec is a type of gameplay, not a negative thing that you aren't meant to do and that needs to go away. I'm pretty sure a lot of people are convinced that it is actually "against the rules" "against the rules" implies that you get banned for doing it since you don't, it's not There was a time when not only did people legally drive under the influence of alcohol, but in fact it was expected by society that you would drive drunk. Today you can't even get behind the wheel after taking a menthol breath mint.
Things change. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1794
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Posted - 2012.10.11 09:34:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Andski wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:"Crime" in highsec is a type of gameplay, not a negative thing that you aren't meant to do and that needs to go away. I'm pretty sure a lot of people are convinced that it is actually "against the rules" "against the rules" implies that you get banned for doing it since you don't, it's not There was a time when not only did people legally drive under the influence of alcohol, but in fact it was expected by society that you would drive drunk. Today you can't even get behind the wheel after taking a menthol breath mint. Things change. Makes sense. More people driving drunk equates to less idiots on the street ... in the long run. ^_^ Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
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Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.10.11 09:39:00 -
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As long as bumping is still allowed, I'll be fine. It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |
March rabbit
R.I.P. Revenge
255
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Posted - 2012.10.11 10:39:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Rico Minali wrote:I am disagree. You will just need to adapt, just like everyone else does when changes occur. People always say this. But in my opinion eve is just a game. Either it is fun or it isnt. If it isnt fun anymore because of some change that the dev's make - why should I adapt? I should compromise to keep playing a game that isnt fun just to help the iclandic economy? F-that! Let them fish for a living. you are right here. i don't like WoW, i don't like WoT and lots of other games.... Guess what? I don't play it. And don't cry on forums of those games.
Nothing interesting here |
Julien Brellier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.10.11 10:47:00 -
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This just in......risk-free ganker terrified of gudfites!!!
HTFU |
Skaz
Skazmanian Industries
24
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Posted - 2012.10.11 11:59:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Skaz wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Change is hard. This What is the EVE mantra again? Adapt or die? There is no dying in eve. We got clones. But you can switch games.
Yeah you're right, but "Adapt or leave" doesn't really have the same ring to it. |
Phoenix Bibbs
Astra Enterprises Happy Endings
16
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Posted - 2012.10.11 17:47:00 -
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Torvin Yulus wrote:YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTIG WHAT YOU DESERVE YOU GOON
YOU KNOW WHAT!
ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS TO SHOOT NOOBS WHO CANT FIGHT BACK YOU ARE SUCHG A L33T SPACE PIRATE I CANT EVEN TELL YOU HOW AWESOME YOU ARE CCP IS FINALLY MAKING A STAND AGAINST THE GRIEFERS AND THE MORONS WHO ARE RUINING EVE ONLINE AND RUINING MY GAME!
THIS IS MY GAME! I WILL NOT LET YOU RUIN IT!!!!
You mad bro? |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.10.11 18:24:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Torvin Yulus wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Torvin Yulus wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Adapt. Just like everyone else did every other time CCP changed something. easy to say adapt when its the carebears who are the wage slaves to the goonswarm and AAA industrial complex. i demand EQUITY! You lost all credit by mentioning -A-. i'm just mentioning the two leaders of the HBC which is dedicated to ganknig hulks and enslaving carebears. did i offend you goonie? Neither of these alliances are part of the HBC. Congratulations on showing your true colors. I could be wrong but he's trolling you.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1600
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Posted - 2012.10.11 18:35:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote: I could be wrong but he's trolling you.
It's Torvin, he posts like that all the time so he's either a consistent troll or.. you know. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2012.10.11 18:41:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It's Torvin, he posts like that all the time so he's either a consistent troll or.. you know.
I read his "yulus report" thread.
:I
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Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1600
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Posted - 2012.10.11 18:42:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It's Torvin, he posts like that all the time so he's either a consistent troll or.. you know.
I read his "yulus report" thread. :I
How many points did it knock off your IQ? Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |
veritas primus
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.10.11 18:46:00 -
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Where is Ryctor when you need him.... |
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